49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
Eddie treated Bill Walsh badly. He was overdemanding and in retrospect he would agree. They kind of kissed and made up and Bill came back as President, but it was never the same.

They also treated Joe Montana like s**t. They Got rid of a 4-time Superbowl winning quarterback like he was a piece of trash.

Mistakes have been made by this franchise.

I think it's beyond moronic to make serious comparisons between the 1980's 49ers and an uncapped NFL to today. That aside, I'm wondering what you think they should have done with Montana instead of trading him. They supposed to bench a league MVP for a QB who was at the end of his career with injury issues?

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

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I said it's partly on Kyle, and it is. Boone doesn't need to be on the team. He played the position, and knows much more about it than you

You don't seem to understand how coaching decisions effect what happens on the field

Matt Ryan took a sack, but was it necessary for him to be dropping back? No - bad coaching decision

Burford messed up, but was it necessary to run that blocking scheme on the biggest play of the season with a lineman that's struggled all year? No - bad coaching decision

Josh Johnson messed up, but should we have all of a sudden been trying to run two minute drills with him? No - bad coaching decision

This is the exact point. The player doesn't execute but the coach has put the player in a position he should not be in based on the game situation and talent.

Same as the Tyler Kroft block on Reddick on the play where Purdy got injured v Philadelphia in the NFC championship game. The play call is likely "Pass 18/19 Willie X Read Out Y Locke". Kroft actually blocks this decently well and holds off Reddick long enough for Purdy to throw. Where he went wrong is I think he expected to hold off Reddick a half second longer and when Reddick shed the block, Kroft tried to stay with it as best as he could but got his feet crossed up and couldn't hang in there long enough. But the question remains, why would you put a backup tight end out on the edge to block one of the best pass rushers in the league?? One thing Shanahan could've done to mitigate the rush on his end was design the route to be broken off a couple of yards sooner on a slower developing play. Or he could have used one of the best tight end blockers in football, George Kittle.

Either way, it is a game of inches. Is Kyle cursed or does he do the wrong thing at the wrong time? His career is a literary of things going wrong just when he is on the verge of winning the Superbowl.

Originally posted by RonnieLott:

This is the exact point. The player doesn't execute but the coach has put the player in a position he should not be in based on the game situation and talent.

Same as the Tyler Kroft block on Reddick on the play where Purdy got injured v Philadelphia in the NFC championship game. The play call is likely "Pass 18/19 Willie X Read Out Y Locke". Kroft actually blocks this decently well and holds off Reddick long enough for Purdy to throw. Where he went wrong is I think he expected to hold off Reddick a half second longer and when Reddick shed the block, Kroft tried to stay with it as best as he could but got his feet crossed up and couldn't hang in there long enough. But the question remains, why would you put a backup tight end out on the edge to block one of the best pass rushers in the league?? One thing Shanahan could've done to mitigate the rush on his end was design the route to be broken off a couple of yards sooner on a slower developing play. Or he could have used one of the best tight end blockers in football, George Kittle.

Either way, it is a game of inches. Is Kyle cursed or does he do the wrong thing at the wrong time? His career is a literary of things going wrong just when he is on the verge of winning the Superbowl.

Yea I'd put the Kroft one more in the cursed category. If he were running that blocking scheme on a got to have it play like the Burford play then I'd have a problem with it, but I've never put the Kroft one on Kyle

It was early in the game and we were trying to set the tone. At worst you think Kroft might give up a sack, but what ended up happening was just a freak accident

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
This is the exact point. The player doesn't execute but the coach has put the player in a position he should not be in based on the game situation and talent.

Same as the Tyler Kroft block on Reddick on the play where Purdy got injured v Philadelphia in the NFC championship game. The play call is likely "Pass 18/19 Willie X Read Out Y Locke". Kroft actually blocks this decently well and holds off Reddick long enough for Purdy to throw. Where he went wrong is I think he expected to hold off Reddick a half second longer and when Reddick shed the block, Kroft tried to stay with it as best as he could but got his feet crossed up and couldn't hang in there long enough. But the question remains, why would you put a backup tight end out on the edge to block one of the best pass rushers in the league?? One thing Shanahan could've done to mitigate the rush on his end was design the route to be broken off a couple of yards sooner on a slower developing play. Or he could have used one of the best tight end blockers in football, George Kittle.

Either way, it is a game of inches. Is Kyle cursed or does he do the wrong thing at the wrong time? His career is a literary of things going wrong just when he is on the verge of winning the Superbowl.

Are you Rich Madrid or did you just rip portions of his analysis of the play without attribution, lol?

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Alex Boone doesn't play for 49ers anymore.

Guards/Cs pulling on passing plays is nothing new in the KS scheme. It's what masks our Run/Pass offense. If you actually watch the games, you would see we do this from time to time on passing plays.

Player shows maturity and takes all blame. Kyle apologists rejoice.

Ffs you are so damn stupid lol. This was a response to you saying it was Kyle's f**k up. Nothing about rejoicing. Burford admitted it was his f**k up. But you want to be internet clown that knows better what happened than the player that actually played in the game lmao. Do you really not understand how dumb you sound? Rhetorical question...

I said it's partly on Kyle, and it is. Boone doesn't need to be on the team. He played the position, and knows much more about it than you

You don't seem to understand how coaching decisions effect what happens on the field

Matt Ryan took a sack, but was it necessary for him to be dropping back? No - bad coaching decision

Burford messed up, but was it necessary to run that blocking scheme on the biggest play of the season with a lineman that's struggled all year? No - bad coaching decision

Josh Johnson messed up, but should we have all of a sudden been trying to run two minute drills with him? No - bad coaching decision

It doesn't matter if he's a HOF OL or some scrub OL, HE"S NOT PLAYING IN THIS SCHEME.

Guards/Cs pulling on passing plays is nothing new in the KS scheme. It's what masks our Run/Pass offense. If you actually watch the games, you would see we do this from time to time on passing plays.

Whatever the reason, don't you think it seems that Kyle has a curse on him.

I mean the chances of things going wrong in Superbowls as much as they have is about a billion to one.

I think Kyle is just "old fashioned" cursed.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

It doesn't matter if he's a HOF OL or some scrub OL, HE"S NOT PLAYING IN THIS SCHEME.

Guards/Cs pulling on passing plays is nothing new in the KS scheme. It's what masks our Run/Pass offense. If you actually watch the games, you would see we do this from time to time on passing plays.

Yes I know we do that lol. Should we have done it in that moment with a struggling lineman? No - bad coaching decision

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
Whatever the reason, don't you think it seems that Kyle has a curse on him.

I mean the chances of things going wrong in Superbowls as much as they have is about a billion to one.

I think Kyle is just "old fashioned" cursed.

Bingo.

Mike Shanahan made 3 SBs. One as OC and 2 as head coach. 3-0, and called all 3 games BRILLIANTLY using his strengths (passing game in 94, running game in 97 and 98). Kyle is 0-3 in the same role(s), and did NOT use his strengths in all 3 losses. One can argue that at the clutch moments he went away from the strength that could have sealed the game and switched game plans unnecessarily.

What did Ward say about that first SB loss again ? That we played right into their hands by putting the ball in Jimmy's hands and giving up on the run. And what happened this past February ? KC's D knew exactly how to play us because they anticipated Kyle's tendencies late in the game.

He absolutely is cursed and there is NO reason to believe things will change so people here will use magical words like "the odds will eventually favor us" or "he gives us a chance". All subjective mumbo jumbo to excuse a guy that chokes in clutch moments…

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Player shows maturity and takes all blame. Kyle apologists rejoice. Reminds me of Bradberry taking the high road and everyone celebrating soft bail out calls

He got called out on social media by a teammate and responded.

It was his mistake. Doesn't make pulling the center smart. Alex Boone worships Kyle and even he let it slip. At about 10:20, "it's just a bad, bad philosophy"

Jesus you don't listen do you? Kyle is showing a run fake to muddy up the read for KC. He's always had his linemen play like a run play. Pulling the center is a common thing Kyle does when running the ball.

Burford knows the play call. The assignment for him is to take the outside guy. He doesn't do that and does his own thing. THAT was the issue on this play not pulling the center.

I don't give a damn about what other players say, they're not in that locker room and they don't know the playcall or reason for it. Burford was in those meetings. He's supposed to do his job. He doesn't. Play fails as a result.

Yet here you are blaming the scheme…

Yes, an example of this is the play that Kyle really missed out on which was the 2nd down (2nd last play) on the last drive of overtime before the field goal.

He had George Kittle line up on the left next to Trent Williams but somehow Kyle called a play where Christian McCaffrey ran to the right?!?!?

This is just a genuine dumb play.

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
Yes, an example of this is the play that Kyle really missed out on which was the 2nd down (2nd last play) on the last drive of overtime before the field goal.

He had George Kittle line up on the left next to Trent Williams but somehow Kyle called a play where Christian McCaffrey ran to the right?!?!?

This is just a genuine dumb play.

Care to answer my question or nah?

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I said it's partly on Kyle, and it is. Boone doesn't need to be on the team. He played the position, and knows much more about it than you

You don't seem to understand how coaching decisions effect what happens on the field

Matt Ryan took a sack, but was it necessary for him to be dropping back? No - bad coaching decision

Burford messed up, but was it necessary to run that blocking scheme on the biggest play of the season with a lineman that's struggled all year? No - bad coaching decision

Josh Johnson messed up, but should we have all of a sudden been trying to run two minute drills with him? No - bad coaching decision

You're hilarious…

Now we got Josh Johnson unable to take a shotgun snap as a Shanahan coaching mistake.

Just when I think you've reached a new low you reach deep and find another a way to outdo the crazy.

Care to answer my question or nah?

There are people on here who would defend Kyle Shannahan with their life and their mothers' and fathers' and baby sons' and daughters' lives.

There are people on here who think Kyle has made some horrendous mistakes at the most inopportune times like Superbowls.

And then there are people on here that just realise Kyle Shanahan is cursed.

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
There are people on here who would defend Kyle Shannahan with their life and their mothers' and fathers' and baby sons' and daughters' lives.

There are people on here who think Kyle has made some horrendous mistakes at the most inopportune times like Superbowls.

And then there are people on here that just realise Kyle Shanahan is cursed.

This has nothing to do with my question.

I asked you if you were Rich Madrid or if you were just stealing portions of his analysis and passing it off as your own.

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
Yes, an example of this is the play that Kyle really missed out on which was the 2nd down (2nd last play) on the last drive of overtime before the field goal.

He had George Kittle line up on the left next to Trent Williams but somehow Kyle called a play where Christian McCaffrey ran to the right?!?!?

This is just a genuine dumb play.

I don't know what you're replying to but misdirection is a large part of what Kyle does on offense.

No matter how you slice it but if plays are there to be made then the blame should go on the players.

Kyle is very particular in what he wants his guys to do. If they don't do that and the play is dead because of that it's not on Kyle.

He's talked about how some plays are not expected to be huge returns but can be used to setup more successful plays. Maybe that late in the game isn't smart to do that but fact is had Burford done his assignment it's likely a TD play.

it's a simple as that.