49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by RonnieLott:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
Kyle must have smashed a few dozen mirrors or walked infront of a few black cats to get such bad luck in Superbowls.

Lesser coaches don't get in the position to have the close calls in the first place.

So Kyle is better because he's at least a SB loser ?

Kyle is a good coach, but he is cursed.

Some demon or witch from the afterlife put a curse on Kyle and the teams that he coaches.

Eventually the random events regress back to the mean. (I hope) Meaning, at some point, if Kyle keeps getting into the playoffs, luck *should* turn in his favor at some point. I mean how *unlucky* is it for Greenlaw and Feliciano to get injured in the friggen Superbowl vs maybe next year or maybe before the playoffs. At some point - I hope - Kyle will use up all his bad luck and all that's left is the good luck.

When they confirmed Dre's injury as achilles I thought for sure it was just a matter of time situation with him having tendinitis in it earlier and we were just unlucky that he couldn't get through the game...and then I found out it happened on the other foot

That's just INSANE bad luck when you think about it. Dude literally just jumping up to run onto the field and it pops. Could've not happened at all or late in the game and we likely win the whole thing.

This is why the whole Kyle will never win one is stupid to me. Not like we got blown out or never really had a chance at it(i won't start THAT conversation again) and you can legit pick a handful of plays or things that happened negatively for us that would've made this a win. So maybe RT is onto something...

Someone get the man an exorcism stat!

Agree, and I go back to Andy Reid and how it too him decades to win one before he gets a whole bunch of 🏆🏆🏆 with Mahomes. Now that Brock is his QB, it looks like Kyle will be in the hunt for the superbowl a third time too, just like Andy, only (I think) he's - in a sense - a younger version of Andy. Andy at Kyle's age only lost one superbowl, Kyle at Andy's age lost three.

I.e. Kyle's ability to get to the Superbowl is better than Andy's at their comparable ages.

Yeah...I'm hoping Brock is Kyle's lucked into franchise QB much like apparently Mahomes was for Andy Reid.

Also would be nice if Kyle was able to find his long term DC like Andy got with Reid. The simple fact is coaches can only do so much.

Where would Andy Reid be right now had Denver not traded up ahead of them to "steal" Paxton Lynch from them?

Imagine Andy Reid now with Paxton Lynch - no Chris Jones or Patrick Mahomes. How many SBs does he win?

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by RonnieLott:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
Kyle must have smashed a few dozen mirrors or walked infront of a few black cats to get such bad luck in Superbowls.

Lesser coaches don't get in the position to have the close calls in the first place.

So Kyle is better because he's at least a SB loser ?

Kyle is a good coach, but he is cursed.

Some demon or witch from the afterlife put a curse on Kyle and the teams that he coaches.

Eventually the random events regress back to the mean. (I hope) Meaning, at some point, if Kyle keeps getting into the playoffs, luck *should* turn in his favor at some point. I mean how *unlucky* is it for Greenlaw and Feliciano to get injured in the friggen Superbowl vs maybe next year or maybe before the playoffs. At some point - I hope - Kyle will use up all his bad luck and all that's left is the good luck.

When they confirmed Dre's injury as achilles I thought for sure it was just a matter of time situation with him having tendinitis in it earlier and we were just unlucky that he couldn't get through the game...and then I found out it happened on the other foot

That's just INSANE bad luck when you think about it. Dude literally just jumping up to run onto the field and it pops. Could've not happened at all or late in the game and we likely win the whole thing.

This is why the whole Kyle will never win one is stupid to me. Not like we got blown out or never really had a chance at it(i won't start THAT conversation again) and you can legit pick a handful of plays or things that happened negatively for us that would've made this a win. So maybe RT is onto something...

Someone get the man an exorcism stat!

Agree, and I go back to Andy Reid and how it too him decades to win one before he gets a whole bunch of 🏆🏆🏆 with Mahomes. Now that Brock is his QB, it looks like Kyle will be in the hunt for the superbowl a third time too, just like Andy, only (I think) he's - in a sense - a younger version of Andy. Andy at Kyle's age only lost one superbowl, Kyle at Andy's age lost three.

I.e. Kyle's ability to get to the Superbowl is better than Andy's at their comparable ages.

Yeah...I'm hoping Brock is Kyle's lucked into franchise QB much like apparently Mahomes was for Andy Reid.

Also would be nice if Kyle was able to find his long term DC like Andy got with Reid. The simple fact is coaches can only do so much.

Where would Andy Reid be right now had Denver not traded up ahead of them to "steal" Paxton Lynch from them?

Imagine Andy Reid now with Paxton Lynch - no Chris Jones or Patrick Mahomes. How many SBs does he win?

Nah. Guys like Andy Reid and Kyle Shanahan aren't meant to win championships. They do just enough to lose no matter how talented the roster is. The difference is Reid lucked into a generational talent with Mahomes, one that can overcome Reid's shortcomings and put the team on his shoulders. The problem is there aren't many Mahomes, Bradys, Mannings in this league. And there's no reason to believe that Brock will get to that level. Yes I believe in him and think he can be great. But great like all-time ? Doubtful. And that's why the Niners won't win it all as long as Shanahan is our coach. We need someone who can capitalize with the talent we already have. Not some dope who caves when the pressure gets to him and renders all his superstars moot when the game is on the line. Who was our biggest star this past Super Bowl? Jennings ?! lol…..good game plan Kyle

Originally posted by DrEll:
Nah. Guys like Andy Reid and Kyle Shanahan aren't meant to win championships. They do just enough to lose no matter how talented the roster is. The difference is Reid lucked into a generational talent with Mahomes, one that can overcome Reid's shortcomings and put the team on his shoulders. The problem is there aren't many Mahomes, Bradys, Mannings in this league. And there's no reason to believe that Brock will get to that level. Yes I believe in him and think he can be great. But great like all-time ? Doubtful. And that's why the Niners won't win it all as long as Shanahan is our coach. We need someone who can capitalize with the talent we already have. Not some dope who caves when the pressure gets to him and renders all his superstars moot when the game is on the line. Who was our biggest star this past Super Bowl? Jennings ?! lol…..good game plan Kyle

you lost me at saying Reid isn't meant to win, he won 3x now, he put together a team that targeted and went after Mahomes

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Nah. Guys like Andy Reid and Kyle Shanahan aren't meant to win championships. They do just enough to lose no matter how talented the roster is. The difference is Reid lucked into a generational talent with Mahomes, one that can overcome Reid's shortcomings and put the team on his shoulders. The problem is there aren't many Mahomes, Bradys, Mannings in this league. And there's no reason to believe that Brock will get to that level. Yes I believe in him and think he can be great. But great like all-time ? Doubtful. And that's why the Niners won't win it all as long as Shanahan is our coach. We need someone who can capitalize with the talent we already have. Not some dope who caves when the pressure gets to him and renders all his superstars moot when the game is on the line. Who was our biggest star this past Super Bowl? Jennings ?! lol…..good game plan Kyle

you lost me at saying Reid isn't meant to win, he won 3x now, he put together a team that targeted and went after Mahomes

He won because of Mahomes. In all three SBs, the Chiefs should have and would have lost except that

A. Mahomes went into god mode when it mattered most.

B. Kyle Shanahan

Originally posted by DrEll:
He won because of Mahomes. In all three SBs, the Chiefs should have and would have lost except that

A. Mahomes went into god mode when it mattered most.

B. Kyle Shanahan

Mahomes didn't go into god mode, he was pretty pedestrian in the SBs. imo, you need elite HC and QB, and KC is #1 in those power ranks. Reid and Mahomes tend to run laps around the NFL and that's a big reason why they win. Look at the corndog, it had us with the pants down for the game, and PHI also. I could throw those passes, that ain't Pat, it's scheme. You give a HOF HC a complete legend best in the sport QB, and you get a dynasty.

Originally posted by DrEll:
Nah. Guys like Andy Reid and Kyle Shanahan aren't meant to win championships. They do just enough to lose no matter how talented the roster is. The difference is Reid lucked into a generational talent with Mahomes, one that can overcome Reid's shortcomings and put the team on his shoulders. The problem is there aren't many Mahomes, Bradys, Mannings in this league. And there's no reason to believe that Brock will get to that level. Yes I believe in him and think he can be great. But great like all-time ? Doubtful. And that's why the Niners won't win it all as long as Shanahan is our coach. We need someone who can capitalize with the talent we already have. Not some dope who caves when the pressure gets to him and renders all his superstars moot when the game is on the line. Who was our biggest star this past Super Bowl? Jennings ?! lol…..good game plan Kyle

This is wasted on you because you've shown yourself to be a casual "fan" who doesn't understand the game or logic related to it but had McCloud fallen on that punt return or had it simply not hit Luter's leg, Kyle Shanahan wins that SB and Jauan Jennings is likely the SB MVP.

So Kyle's gameplan was not the issue. The execution of it was a bigger problem. Hell if Feliciano didn't get hurt or even if Burford, his replacement, actually did his assignment on the 3rd down play in OT it gives Brock time to find Jennings or Aiyuk for a TD. Then we see what the Chiefs do after that.

Everyone loves to just yell "should've ran the ball more!" knowing the result of the game was a loss. Not that simple. We ran the ball when CMC fumbled. We ran the ball when CMC picked up 0 yards. We ran the ball when CMC and Deebo were stopped for losses.

Execute the plays that are called if they're giving you opportunities to beat the defense.

Originally posted by genus49:
This is wasted on you because you've shown yourself to be a casual "fan" who doesn't understand the game or logic related to it but had McCloud fallen on that punt return or had it simply not hit Luter's leg, Kyle Shanahan wins that SB and Jauan Jennings is likely the SB MVP.

So Kyle's gameplan was not the issue. The execution of it was a bigger problem. Hell if Feliciano didn't get hurt or even if Burford, his replacement, actually did his assignment on the 3rd down play in OT it gives Brock time to find Jennings or Aiyuk for a TD. Then we see what the Chiefs do after that.

Everyone loves to just yell "should've ran the ball more!" knowing the result of the game was a loss. Not that simple. We ran the ball when CMC fumbled. We ran the ball when CMC picked up 0 yards. We ran the ball when CMC and Deebo were stopped for losses.

Execute the plays that are called if they're giving you opportunities to beat the defense.

to me that's part of the legit criticism. you give Kyle CMC in a career year, Deebo, Trent, all healthy and you can't run, vs a 24th in yds per carry run D. and somehow with the run stuffed, the WRs were also clamped, and the QB was also under duress.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
This is wasted on you because you've shown yourself to be a casual "fan" who doesn't understand the game or logic related to it but had McCloud fallen on that punt return or had it simply not hit Luter's leg, Kyle Shanahan wins that SB and Jauan Jennings is likely the SB MVP.

So Kyle's gameplan was not the issue. The execution of it was a bigger problem. Hell if Feliciano didn't get hurt or even if Burford, his replacement, actually did his assignment on the 3rd down play in OT it gives Brock time to find Jennings or Aiyuk for a TD. Then we see what the Chiefs do after that.

Everyone loves to just yell "should've ran the ball more!" knowing the result of the game was a loss. Not that simple. We ran the ball when CMC fumbled. We ran the ball when CMC picked up 0 yards. We ran the ball when CMC and Deebo were stopped for losses.

Execute the plays that are called if they're giving you opportunities to beat the defense.

to me that's part of the legit criticism. you give Kyle CMC in a career year, Deebo, Trent, all healthy and you can't run, vs a 24th in yds per carry run D. and somehow with the run stuffed, the WRs were also clamped, and the QB was also under duress.

So giving credit to KC is not a thing?

They were a top defense led by one of the top defensive minds in the league. When you have Trent Williams getting beaten by a guy called up off the PS you can only blame it on the coach so much.

But yes...the whole thing was once KC went to press coverage and loaded the box to stop the run we struggled. Guys still gotta make their blocks and if your WRs aren't beating their guys it makes things challenging.

These were our non QB scramble runs in the 2nd half

0 yards
5 yards
2 yards
8 yards
-1 yards
1 yard
9 yards
3 yards
5 yards

OT
3 yards
5 yards
3 yards
8 yards
0 yards
6 yards
0 yards

This is not exactly a "let's keep running at them" type of production.

Originally posted by genus49:
So giving credit to KC is not a thing?

They were a top defense led by one of the top defensive minds in the league. When you have Trent Williams getting beaten by a guy called up off the PS you can only blame it on the coach so much.

But yes...the whole thing was once KC went to press coverage and loaded the box to stop the run we struggled. Guys still gotta make their blocks and if your WRs aren't beating their guys it makes things challenging.

These were our non QB scramble runs in the 2nd half

0 yards
5 yards
2 yards
8 yards
-1 yards
1 yard
9 yards
3 yards
5 yards

OT
3 yards
5 yards
3 yards
8 yards
0 yards
6 yards
0 yards

This is not exactly a "let's keep running at them" type of production.

i give Spags credit
Kyle's a good coach but he has certain DCs that tend to have what is known as ownage, see Schwartz for instance
let's call reality, reality

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
So giving credit to KC is not a thing?

They were a top defense led by one of the top defensive minds in the league. When you have Trent Williams getting beaten by a guy called up off the PS you can only blame it on the coach so much.

But yes...the whole thing was once KC went to press coverage and loaded the box to stop the run we struggled. Guys still gotta make their blocks and if your WRs aren't beating their guys it makes things challenging.

These were our non QB scramble runs in the 2nd half

0 yards
5 yards
2 yards
8 yards
-1 yards
1 yard
9 yards
3 yards
5 yards

OT
3 yards
5 yards
3 yards
8 yards
0 yards
6 yards
0 yards

This is not exactly a "let's keep running at them" type of production.

i give Spags credit
Kyle's a good coach but he has certain DCs that tend to have what is known as ownage, see Schwartz for instance
let's call reality, reality

Styles make fights but the Jim Scwartz thing is overrated. He beat up on Kyle a couple of times when Kyle was rolling out CJ Beathard and Nick Mullens and even then we put up over 400 total yards on them in one of those games with Kittle getting 180 yards.

But when you have a strong DL with a good secondary it will go a long way regardless of the OC. Why I hope we improved our OL and Pearsall and Cowing help us get open even if teams try to replicate what KC did to us.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Nah. Guys like Andy Reid and Kyle Shanahan aren't meant to win championships. They do just enough to lose no matter how talented the roster is. The difference is Reid lucked into a generational talent with Mahomes, one that can overcome Reid's shortcomings and put the team on his shoulders. The problem is there aren't many Mahomes, Bradys, Mannings in this league. And there's no reason to believe that Brock will get to that level. Yes I believe in him and think he can be great. But great like all-time ? Doubtful. And that's why the Niners won't win it all as long as Shanahan is our coach. We need someone who can capitalize with the talent we already have. Not some dope who caves when the pressure gets to him and renders all his superstars moot when the game is on the line. Who was our biggest star this past Super Bowl? Jennings ?! lol…..good game plan Kyle

This is wasted on you because you've shown yourself to be a casual "fan" who doesn't understand the game or logic related to it but had McCloud fallen on that punt return or had it simply not hit Luter's leg, Kyle Shanahan wins that SB and Jauan Jennings is likely the SB MVP.

So Kyle's gameplan was not the issue. The execution of it was a bigger problem. Hell if Feliciano didn't get hurt or even if Burford, his replacement, actually did his assignment on the 3rd down play in OT it gives Brock time to find Jennings or Aiyuk for a TD. Then we see what the Chiefs do after that.

Everyone loves to just yell "should've ran the ball more!" knowing the result of the game was a loss. Not that simple. We ran the ball when CMC fumbled. We ran the ball when CMC picked up 0 yards. We ran the ball when CMC and Deebo were stopped for losses.

Execute the plays that are called if they're giving you opportunities to beat the defense.

Kyle excuses. He called the perfect game, if only the players had executed it to perfection

Comeon man. We were the better team, top to bottom. As we were 4 years ago. Both times you guys came up with a laundry list of excuses ranging from Jimmy to CMC to Burford. The common denominator is the head coach. The guy that had ample opportunities on BOTH Super Bowls to put KC away early and not even give them a chance. Guess what ? He did and Mahomes ripped him for it. To brush that away and pretend Kyle's coaching (or lack thereof) isn't the elephant in the room just goes to show you're drinking the Kool Aid and oblivious to what the entire NFL world sees.

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Nah. Guys like Andy Reid and Kyle Shanahan aren't meant to win championships. They do just enough to lose no matter how talented the roster is. The difference is Reid lucked into a generational talent with Mahomes, one that can overcome Reid's shortcomings and put the team on his shoulders. The problem is there aren't many Mahomes, Bradys, Mannings in this league. And there's no reason to believe that Brock will get to that level. Yes I believe in him and think he can be great. But great like all-time ? Doubtful. And that's why the Niners won't win it all as long as Shanahan is our coach. We need someone who can capitalize with the talent we already have. Not some dope who caves when the pressure gets to him and renders all his superstars moot when the game is on the line. Who was our biggest star this past Super Bowl? Jennings ?! lol…..good game plan Kyle

This is wasted on you because you've shown yourself to be a casual "fan" who doesn't understand the game or logic related to it but had McCloud fallen on that punt return or had it simply not hit Luter's leg, Kyle Shanahan wins that SB and Jauan Jennings is likely the SB MVP.

So Kyle's gameplan was not the issue. The execution of it was a bigger problem. Hell if Feliciano didn't get hurt or even if Burford, his replacement, actually did his assignment on the 3rd down play in OT it gives Brock time to find Jennings or Aiyuk for a TD. Then we see what the Chiefs do after that.

Everyone loves to just yell "should've ran the ball more!" knowing the result of the game was a loss. Not that simple. We ran the ball when CMC fumbled. We ran the ball when CMC picked up 0 yards. We ran the ball when CMC and Deebo were stopped for losses.

Execute the plays that are called if they're giving you opportunities to beat the defense.

Kyle excuses. He called the perfect game, if only the players had executed it to perfection

Comeon man. We were the better team, top to bottom. As we were 4 years ago. Both times you guys came up with a laundry list of excuses ranging from Jimmy to CMC to Burford. The common denominator is the head coach. The guy that had ample opportunities on BOTH Super Bowls to put KC away early and not even give them a chance. Guess what ? He did and Mahomes ripped him for it. To brush that away and pretend Kyle's coaching (or lack thereof) isn't the elephant in the room just goes to show you're drinking the Kool Aid and oblivious to what the entire NFL world sees.

COMMON DENOMINATOR IS THE HEAD COACH

As I've posted before, had our HC told 44 to stay and help the right side of the OL block 95, B-Rock Steady Purdy would have found YUCK at the back of the end zone so easily.

The guy is nothing more than a very good OC.. no difference than NORV - MARTZ - WYSCHE - JUNE JONES - SAMPESE - CHAO ..

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by RonnieLott:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
Kyle must have smashed a few dozen mirrors or walked infront of a few black cats to get such bad luck in Superbowls.

Lesser coaches don't get in the position to have the close calls in the first place.

So Kyle is better because he's at least a SB loser ?

Kyle is a good coach, but he is cursed.

Some demon or witch from the afterlife put a curse on Kyle and the teams that he coaches.

Eventually the random events regress back to the mean. (I hope) Meaning, at some point, if Kyle keeps getting into the playoffs, luck *should* turn in his favor at some point. I mean how *unlucky* is it for Greenlaw and Feliciano to get injured in the friggen Superbowl vs maybe next year or maybe before the playoffs. At some point - I hope - Kyle will use up all his bad luck and all that's left is the good luck.

When they confirmed Dre's injury as achilles I thought for sure it was just a matter of time situation with him having tendinitis in it earlier and we were just unlucky that he couldn't get through the game...and then I found out it happened on the other foot

That's just INSANE bad luck when you think about it. Dude literally just jumping up to run onto the field and it pops. Could've not happened at all or late in the game and we likely win the whole thing.

This is why the whole Kyle will never win one is stupid to me. Not like we got blown out or never really had a chance at it(i won't start THAT conversation again) and you can legit pick a handful of plays or things that happened negatively for us that would've made this a win. So maybe RT is onto something...

Someone get the man an exorcism stat!

Agree, and I go back to Andy Reid and how it too him decades to win one before he gets a whole bunch of ???????????? with Mahomes. Now that Brock is his QB, it looks like Kyle will be in the hunt for the superbowl a third time too, just like Andy, only (I think) he's - in a sense - a younger version of Andy. Andy at Kyle's age only lost one superbowl, Kyle at Andy's age lost three.

I.e. Kyle's ability to get to the Superbowl is better than Andy's at their comparable ages.

Yeah...I'm hoping Brock is Kyle's lucked into franchise QB much like apparently Mahomes was for Andy Reid.

Also would be nice if Kyle was able to find his long term DC like Andy got with Reid. The simple fact is coaches can only do so much.

Where would Andy Reid be right now had Denver not traded up ahead of them to "steal" Paxton Lynch from them?

Imagine Andy Reid now with Paxton Lynch - no Chris Jones or Patrick Mahomes. How many SBs does he win?

Yeah - totally agree on that point. losing Demeco hurt the defense last year. Wilks definely wasn't the answer there. It's tough to find good defensive coaches who don't have the ambitions of being a head coach. Guys like Fangio - who doesn't really want to be a HC - would be ideal.

Kyle didn't like Fangio's scheme and maybe that was the reason he wasn't hired and Wilks was. Pete Carrol is another coach that would work as Kyle's DC schematically, but I'm pretty sure Carroll is at an age where if he can't have total control he'll just retire. Kyle will just have to keep searching until a good DC sticks. Sad to say.

Originally posted by DrEll:
He won because of Mahomes. In all three SBs, the Chiefs should have and would have lost except that

A. Mahomes was helped by the NFL when it mattered most.

B. Kyle Shanahan had to watch this play out in front of him

Fixed

Kyle was outcoached by Spags in the last Superbowl not Andy Reid. But we still should have won given even luck.

However, the fact that Kyle was cursed by a demon or a witch at childbirth means that he and his teams only have bad luck in Superbowls which we have all seen.

Matt Ryan to Brock Purdy, it doesn't matter. You can't beat the curse.