49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by DrEll:
The lengths some of you will go just to defend Kyle is hilarious. Here's a new one. Kyle is a great head coach because he's never not made the playoffs at won at least two games (ignore the elephant in the room that he's lost 2 Superbowls). It's his pre-Super Bowl success that makes him awesome at what he does.

I mean you can be totally Debbie Downer but yeah, it's a little odd ppl feel the need to defend Kyle this much for months on end. He doesn't really need defending like he is some helpless child lol. But if ppl feel the need to be his mama, by all means haha. I think it's his meal time too..be sure to get his favorite bubble wands at Costco..they are on sale. Haha

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by DrEll:
The lengths some of you will go just to defend Kyle is hilarious. Here's a new one. Kyle is a great head coach because he's never not made the playoffs at won at least two games (ignore the elephant in the room that he's lost 2 Superbowls). It's his pre-Super Bowl success that makes him awesome at what he does.

I mean you can be totally Debbie Downer but yeah, it's a little odd ppl feel the need to defend Kyle this much for months on end. He doesn't really need defending like he is some helpless child lol. But if ppl feel the need to be his mama, by all means haha. I think it's his meal time too..be sure to get his favorite bubble wands at Costco..they are on sale. Haha

The lengths OP will go to to say "the lengths some of you will go to defend Kyle is hilarious"

need some new material

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by DrEll:
The lengths some of you will go just to defend Kyle is hilarious. Here's a new one. Kyle is a great head coach because he's never not made the playoffs at won at least two games (ignore the elephant in the room that he's lost 2 Superbowls). It's his pre-Super Bowl success that makes him awesome at what he does.

I mean you can be totally Debbie Downer but yeah, it's a little odd ppl feel the need to defend Kyle this much for months on end. He doesn't really need defending like he is some helpless child lol. But if ppl feel the need to be his mama, by all means haha. I think it's his meal time too..be sure to get his favorite bubble wands at Costco..they are on sale. Haha

The lengths OP will go to to say "the lengths some of you will go to defend Kyle is hilarious"

need some new material

He cries every single day and then people protect his crying lmao

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Can't quote for some reason....

Jimmy wasn't a special QB, however, I argue heavily that peak Alex Smith (2017 KC) was better in some ways but not in all. He also had Tyreek Hill and prime Kelce.

Jimmy has far more critical 3rd down conversions than Alex ever did. Alex never could've done what Jimmy did in 2017...

Both QBs seemed to suffer a bit from traumatic injuries affecting their play.

Overall, both were limited enough that they couldn't be franchise QBs that carry you to Lombardis, but Jimmy was closer to a Lombardi than Smith (and actually played in the SB).

I know it's trendy to bash Jimmy, but that 1/11 3rd down conversion from the 2011 NFC Championship still lingers heavily in my mind.

In a best case scenario for both, Alex had higher upside when drafted and had amazing mental strength. But I'm not so sure he was better than Jimmy.

Jimmy had a far superior offensive minded play caller than Alex Smith had.

Kyle is far superior to Andy Reid?

And is Kyle better pass game schemer than Reid as well?

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Can't quote for some reason....

Jimmy wasn't a special QB, however, I argue heavily that peak Alex Smith (2017 KC) was better in some ways but not in all. He also had Tyreek Hill and prime Kelce.

Jimmy has far more critical 3rd down conversions than Alex ever did. Alex never could've done what Jimmy did in 2017...

Both QBs seemed to suffer a bit from traumatic injuries affecting their play.

Overall, both were limited enough that they couldn't be franchise QBs that carry you to Lombardis, but Jimmy was closer to a Lombardi than Smith (and actually played in the SB).

I know it's trendy to bash Jimmy, but that 1/11 3rd down conversion from the 2011 NFC Championship still lingers heavily in my mind.

In a best case scenario for both, Alex had higher upside when drafted and had amazing mental strength. But I'm not so sure he was better than Jimmy.

Jimmy had a far superior offensive minded play caller than Alex Smith had.

Kyle is far superior to Andy Reid?

And is Kyle better pass game schemer than Reid as well?

I was only thinking Alex Smith with the 49ers.

4,526 pages of unadulterated rubbish. God I wish Kyle wins a superbowl so we can talk about other things.

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
4,526 pages of unadulterated rubbish. God I wish Kyle wins a superbowl so we can talk about other things.

LMAO me too....

He's not a perfect head coach, but man he's really damn good.

And honestly, in hindsight, who else could've been hired in 2017 that was better? For those McVay lovers, he chose the Rams over the 49ers......no Harbaughs available, Tomlin, Belichick, Andy Reid, Doug Pederson, Pete Carroll, Sean Payton, etc.

Kyle SUCKS because he can't seemingly beat the Chiefs in a Super Bowl or will Garoppolo to every Super Bowl possible.

I think this season will be quite telling for him.

Hardest thing to go up against is the SB loser hasn't won it since the 2018 Patriots and 1972 Dolphins.....some very rarefied company. He has that stat to shield him somewhat. Only the early '90s Bills actually made it back to the Super Bowls otherwise.

So 5/58 have made it back so far....meaning Kyle has about an 8.6% chance of getting back to the Super Bowl just by the odds, and a 3.4% chance of winning it.....

So if he f**kin wins it this year, I want people to STFU forever about him.

I hope he can do it.

The other good stat helping us is we've never had a 3peat ever in NFL history, and the 49ers were the closest thing to it...losing a championship game by a field goal as time expired.

Kyle, for all his obvious short comings, is a proven commodity.

And let me tell you one thing...

Kyle's blood would be boiling after losing last years Superbowl more than any other person on the planet.

Thats the type of guy he is.

I bet he has barely had one good night's sleep since that game.

He would be just still having intense nightmares.

Kyle is Bonafide.

Now he just needs some luck in the crucial Superbowl plays.

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by DrEll:
The lengths some of you will go just to defend Kyle is hilarious. Here's a new one. Kyle is a great head coach because he's never not made the playoffs at won at least two games (ignore the elephant in the room that he's lost 2 Superbowls). It's his pre-Super Bowl success that makes him awesome at what he does.

I mean you can be totally Debbie Downer but yeah, it's a little odd ppl feel the need to defend Kyle this much for months on end. He doesn't really need defending like he is some helpless child lol. But if ppl feel the need to be his mama, by all means haha. I think it's his meal time too..be sure to get his favorite bubble wands at Costco..they are on sale. Haha

You read that dudes post and felt it's a little odd people feel to defend Kyle? Gee I wonder why, I'm sure your posts about Kyle have been totally fair and objective right?

It's a 49ers message board. Kyle is the 49ers coach and a very good one at that. You're shocked that some people prefer to look at things logically vs acting like a coach who hasn't won a SB but has you in the running for it almost every year is trash?

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
Kyle, for all his obvious short comings, is a proven commodity.

And let me tell you one thing...

Kyle's blood would be boiling after losing last years Superbowl more than any other person on the planet.

Thats the type of guy he is.

I bet he has barely had one good night's sleep since that game.

He would be just still having intense nightmares.

Kyle is Bonafide.

Now he just needs some luck in the crucial Superbowl plays.

With all that being said, Kyle decides that after two agonizing Super Bowl losses in which victory was snatched at the most crucial junctures of the game, he will now……change nothing. 😞

And therefore, we shouldn't expect any different outcome unless you're one of the growing number of fans that have now turned to magical thoughts like "odds will favor us one day" and "it takes luck to win a Super Bowl, and some day luck will be on our side". Or the other half that tout "I remember the Tomsula days, I'm just happy we win in the regular season and that's all that matters".

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by RonnieLott:

Kyle, for all his obvious short comings, is a proven commodity.

And let me tell you one thing...

Kyle's blood would be boiling after losing last years Superbowl more than any other person on the planet.

Thats the type of guy he is.

I bet he has barely had one good night's sleep since that game.

He would be just still having intense nightmares.

Kyle is Bonafide.

Now he just needs some luck in the crucial Superbowl plays.

With all that being said, Kyle decides that after two agonizing Super Bowl losses in which victory was snatched at the most crucial junctures of the game, he will now……change nothing. 😞

And therefore, we shouldn't expect any different outcome unless you're one of the growing number of fans that have now turned to magical thoughts like "odds will favor us one day" and "it takes luck to win a Super Bowl, and some day luck will be on our side". Or the other half that tout "I remember the Tomsula days, I'm just happy we win in the regular season and that's all that matters".

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Can't quote for some reason....

Jimmy wasn't a special QB, however,

I get what you are saying, but...in my honest opinion pre injury Jimmy had a top tier short game. his Snap to throw time was really good. He had a fairly rare ability to find his guy and get rid of the ball.

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
Kyle, for all his obvious short comings, is a proven commodity.

And let me tell you one thing...

Kyle's blood would be boiling after losing last years Superbowl more than any other person on the planet.

Thats the type of guy he is.

I bet he has barely had one good night's sleep since that game.

He would be just still having intense nightmares.

Kyle is Bonafide.

Now he just needs some luck in the crucial Superbowl plays.

With all that being said, Kyle decides that after two agonizing Super Bowl losses in which victory was snatched at the most crucial junctures of the game, he will now……change nothing. 😞

And therefore, we shouldn't expect any different outcome unless you're one of the growing number of fans that have now turned to magical thoughts like "odds will favor us one day" and "it takes luck to win a Super Bowl, and some day luck will be on our side". Or the other half that tout "I remember the Tomsula days, I'm just happy we win in the regular season and that's all that matters".

This is why people are blocking you. You offer nothing of substance to any conversation on here. Just constant BS thrown around.

There is a very clear push to change based on what happened in the SB and most people are talking about it lately. Then again discussions of actual football scheme and intricacies of the game are lost on you.

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Can't quote for some reason....

Jimmy wasn't a special QB, however,

I get what you are saying, but...in my honest opinion pre injury Jimmy had a top tier short game. his Snap to throw time was really good. He had a fairly rare ability to find his guy and get rid of the ball.

We'll never know exactly what happened with the injury situation. No question the Jimmy we saw in 2017 was not the guy we saw the rest of the way and the injury happened pretty quickly in that 2018 season but he wasn't exactly off to a hot start before the injury at KC. Granted the Vikings game wasn't as bad as the stats show but the Lions and KC game wasn't as good as the stats show either.

However I think in hindsight it's pretty clear Alex was the more talented QB. For those of you who didn't watch the Purdy/Smith/Garcia/Young Q/A session I HIGHLY recommend it. I gained so much appreciation for Alex as a human and as a QB from that. It's tragic what we did to that kid. Had he come into the NFL with Kyle Shanahan's 49ers I think he's looking at a HOF career.

And that 2017 KC season showed us what Alex could've been had Nolan/Singletary not broken him. And he's clearly better than Jimmy with all being equal IMO.

Having said that Jimmy definitely had his strengths and his quick delivery was up there for sure. I think that's also why Kyle made such an emphasis on adding YAC Gods to the offense. Get them the ball in space/short throws and they do the bulk of the work.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by picklejuice:
Kyle is a good coach. Give him prime Tom Brady or Mahomes and it's superbowl victory every year!

Kyle wouldn't be interested. He could have had them both but he passed in favor of Beathard and Jimmy G.

We really pulling out the stops to be ridiculous in this thread huh?

Yes Kyle totally selected Beathard over a prime Mahomes. And everyone knows the Tom Brady we saw on that 2019 Pats team looked to be in his Prime as he turns 23…

Thinking Kyle wouldn't take those guys in a vacuum is just so dumb.

Mahomes was an unknown prospect with many flaws in his game by almost every account. KC took him where they did and got a ton of flak for it but sure Kyle as a first time HC should've taken him at #2 overall after taking over a team that was horrendous the year prior with a historically awful defense.

Fact is we know what Kyle's vision was and we never got to see it play out. Kirk Cousins gets his hate but he's clearly a pretty good QB. We have no idea where we end up had we simply held our 2nd round pick from Jimmy and signed Cousins in FA the next offseason.

You can argue had we not brought in Jimmy and signed Kirk we'd have a higher pick in 2018, allowing us to trade down and selecting McGlinchey and getting extra draft capital to improve the team. Now obviously we don't know what would've happened in 2018 with Cousins but if we project the same situation do we really think Cousins isn't able to get us to the SB in 2019 with that same roster, a roster that would be even better with the extra picks we'd have?

But hypotheticals aside…the fact is Kyle didn't "pass" on prime Brady or prime Mahomes.

You went hard in the paint to prove that something that did happen, wouldn't happen? LOL

The fact is that Kyle passed on both players when he had the opportunity to get them. It's his job to know how good Mahomes could be, he's an offensive minded coach. Brady was a no brainer over Jimmy G but the decision was made by Kyle.

When has Mahomes not been in his prime? He hit the ground running when he got the starting position in year 2 and has never looked back.

You can't change the future, hard to rewrite history.

Imagine a coach like Bill Walsh or Andy Reid passing on a future H.O.F franchise QB because they thought Kirk Cousins would be available in free agency LOL