49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
Kyle, for all his obvious short comings, is a proven commodity.

And let me tell you one thing...

Kyle's blood would be boiling after losing last years Superbowl more than any other person on the planet.

Thats the type of guy he is.

I bet he has barely had one good night's sleep since that game.

He would be just still having intense nightmares.

Kyle is Bonafide.

Now he just needs some luck in the crucial Superbowl plays.

With all that being said, Kyle decides that after two agonizing Super Bowl losses in which victory was snatched at the most crucial junctures of the game, he will now……change nothing. 😞

And therefore, we shouldn't expect any different outcome unless you're one of the growing number of fans that have now turned to magical thoughts like "odds will favor us one day" and "it takes luck to win a Super Bowl, and some day luck will be on our side". Or the other half that tout "I remember the Tomsula days, I'm just happy we win in the regular season and that's all that matters".

This is why people are blocking you. You offer nothing of substance to any conversation on here. Just constant BS thrown around.

There is a very clear push to change based on what happened in the SB and most people are talking about it lately. Then again discussions of actual football scheme and intricacies of the game are lost on you.

I don't have him blocked yet and I didn't even bother reading his response I went straight to yours. And looks like I was right to do that.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
Kyle, for all his obvious short comings, is a proven commodity.

And let me tell you one thing...

Kyle's blood would be boiling after losing last years Superbowl more than any other person on the planet.

Thats the type of guy he is.

I bet he has barely had one good night's sleep since that game.

He would be just still having intense nightmares.

Kyle is Bonafide.

Now he just needs some luck in the crucial Superbowl plays.

With all that being said, Kyle decides that after two agonizing Super Bowl losses in which victory was snatched at the most crucial junctures of the game, he will now……change nothing. 😞

And therefore, we shouldn't expect any different outcome unless you're one of the growing number of fans that have now turned to magical thoughts like "odds will favor us one day" and "it takes luck to win a Super Bowl, and some day luck will be on our side". Or the other half that tout "I remember the Tomsula days, I'm just happy we win in the regular season and that's all that matters".

This is why people are blocking you. You offer nothing of substance to any conversation on here. Just constant BS thrown around.

There is a very clear push to change based on what happened in the SB and most people are talking about it lately. Then again discussions of actual football scheme and intricacies of the game are lost on you.

I don't have him blocked yet and I didn't even bother reading his response I went straight to yours. And looks like I was right to do that.

I have a pretty elite blocked list he's on.

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Hardest thing to go up against is the SB loser hasn't won it since the 2018 Patriots and 1972 Dolphins.....some very rarefied company. He has that stat to shield him somewhat. Only the early '90s Bills actually made it back to the Super Bowls otherwise.

So 5/58 have made it back so far....meaning Kyle has about an 8.6% chance of getting back to the Super Bowl just by the odds, and a 3.4% chance of winning it.....

Your stats are slightly off. 1971 Cowboys also won the year after they lost the SB.

1974 Vikings returned to the SB, only to lose again.

1987 Broncos returned, only to lose again.

8/57 SB losing teams have returned, 3 of those 8 have won. Total is 57 not 58, as we don't know what 49ers will do this year.

So that's 14% that have returned, 5% that returned and won.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Hardest thing to go up against is the SB loser hasn't won it since the 2018 Patriots and 1972 Dolphins.....some very rarefied company. He has that stat to shield him somewhat. Only the early '90s Bills actually made it back to the Super Bowls otherwise.

So 5/58 have made it back so far....meaning Kyle has about an 8.6% chance of getting back to the Super Bowl just by the odds, and a 3.4% chance of winning it.....

Your stats are slightly off. 1971 Cowboys also won the year after they lost the SB.

1974 Vikings returned to the SB, only to lose again.

1987 Broncos returned, only to lose again.

8/57 SB losing teams have returned, 3 of those 8 have won. Total is 57 not 58, as we don't know what 49ers will do this year.

So that's 14% that have returned, 5% that returned and won.

It's probably even harder now because of free agency. One or two key player losses can make a big difference.

Originally posted by glorydayz:
You went hard in the paint to prove that something that did happen, wouldn't happen? LOL

The fact is that Kyle passed on both players when he had the opportunity to get them. It's his job to know how good Mahomes could be, he's an offensive minded coach. Brady was a no brainer over Jimmy G but the decision was made by Kyle.

When has Mahomes not been in his prime? He hit the ground running when he got the starting position in year 2 and has never looked back.

You can't change the future, hard to rewrite history.

Imagine a coach like Bill Walsh or Andy Reid passing on a future H.O.F franchise QB because they thought Kirk Cousins would be available in free agency LOL

Reading is hard I guess...

Do you know what prime means?

Unknown rookie Mahomes - not Prime Mahomes
Tom Brady going on 43 - not Prime Brady

This is the issue with a large part of this fanbase...just complete reluctance to look at the facts and use logic. Just here for overblown statements and overreactions.

And I hate to break this to you but Mahomes would've started right away had we taken him #2 overall in 2017. That's what happens when you don't have a real QB and you take one top 3. Mahomes talked about how critical him sitting year 1 under Alex Smith was to his career. Going out there with Tyreek Hill, Kelce and the other guys they had that made Alex Smith look like his best self in 2017 also helps.

He doesn't get that here so odds are you get a very different QB with Mahomes here. Maybe he doesn't get to PRIME Mahomes.

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
Kyle, for all his obvious short comings, is a proven commodity.

And let me tell you one thing...

Kyle's blood would be boiling after losing last years Superbowl more than any other person on the planet.

Thats the type of guy he is.

I bet he has barely had one good night's sleep since that game.

He would be just still having intense nightmares.

Kyle is Bonafide.

Now he just needs some luck in the crucial Superbowl plays.

With all that being said, Kyle decides that after two agonizing Super Bowl losses in which victory was snatched at the most crucial junctures of the game, he will now……change nothing. 😞

And therefore, we shouldn't expect any different outcome unless you're one of the growing number of fans that have now turned to magical thoughts like "odds will favor us one day" and "it takes luck to win a Super Bowl, and some day luck will be on our side". Or the other half that tout "I remember the Tomsula days, I'm just happy we win in the regular season and that's all that matters".

Come on Dr. L.

Kyle decided to move on from Jimmy as soon as Kyle determined that Jimmy couldn't win the 🏆 consistently enough for him. So he swung for the home run in the Trey Lance trade. Compare that with Andy Reid who stuck with McNabb for 9 long years. Now Kyle's got a QB that statistically is very comparable to Patrick. I would think that's a *positive* not a negative. I would think that would give you hope and not despair.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Hardest thing to go up against is the SB loser hasn't won it since the 2018 Patriots and 1972 Dolphins.....some very rarefied company. He has that stat to shield him somewhat. Only the early '90s Bills actually made it back to the Super Bowls otherwise.

So 5/58 have made it back so far....meaning Kyle has about an 8.6% chance of getting back to the Super Bowl just by the odds, and a 3.4% chance of winning it.....

Your stats are slightly off. 1971 Cowboys also won the year after they lost the SB.

1974 Vikings returned to the SB, only to lose again.

1987 Broncos returned, only to lose again.

8/57 SB losing teams have returned, 3 of those 8 have won. Total is 57 not 58, as we don't know what 49ers will do this year.

So that's 14% that have returned, 5% that returned and won.

Thank you for the corrections, much appreciated.

You have improved the statistics in our favor! :)

Where was everyone at the time of the 2017 draft, all upset at Shanahan for passing on Patrick Mahomes? Nowhere to be found. Everyone from the newb Webzone poster to Hall of Fame Webzone to Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder could see Shanahan wanted Kirk Cousins badly. And who's to say where the 49ers would be had they completed that trade for Kirk Cousins? As for Tom Brady, realistically, how would Lynch and Shanahan have looked if they got rid of their QB that just help them reach the Super Bowl? There was no guarantees the 9ers would've won the Super Bowl with Tom Brady either, the only guarantee was that Tampa Bay wouldn't have won that year.

And with all that said, Shanahan passing on Mahomes has been to the Super Bowl twice without having a QB in the top 10 picks of the draft. The 8 other teams who passed on Mahomes can't say the same, nor can they say they been to the Super Bowl twice. And sure there might have been a little regret passing on Tom Brady, but Tampa went all in at the time now they're just trying to get by with Mayfield. Meanwhile the 49ers now have their franchise QB who has been to the Super Bowl in his second season, not even Patrick Mahomes could say that.

Don't like Cohn, but good insight from Tom Walsh here. He touches on something I said before, that Kyle can't just be out there calling plays in crunch time. The chiefs had a plan and knew which plays they would run in different situations. We had no plan, we were just running plays. Last play of the year on offense, that needs to be something we've practiced over and over. It needs to be a go to play. There should be no mental errors because our players have ran it so much that they can do it in their sleep. We don't have those plays. Kyle needs to get on that level

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Don't like Cohn, but good insight from Tom Walsh here. He touches on something I said before, that Kyle can't just be out there calling plays in crunch time. The chiefs had a plan and knew which plays they would run in different situations. We had no plan, we were just running plays. Last play of the year on offense, that needs to be something we've practiced over and over. It needs to be a go to play. There should be no mental errors because our players have ran it so much that they can do it in their sleep. We don't have those plays. Kyle needs to get on that level

Lol

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Where was everyone at the time of the 2017 draft, all upset at Shanahan for passing on Patrick Mahomes? Nowhere to be found. Everyone from the newb Webzone poster to Hall of Fame Webzone to Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder could see Shanahan wanted Kirk Cousins badly. And who's to say where the 49ers would be had they completed that trade for Kirk Cousins? As for Tom Brady, realistically, how would Lynch and Shanahan have looked if they got rid of their QB that just help them reach the Super Bowl? There was no guarantees the 9ers would've won the Super Bowl with Tom Brady either, the only guarantee was that Tampa Bay wouldn't have won that year.

And with all that said, Shanahan passing on Mahomes has been to the Super Bowl twice without having a QB in the top 10 picks of the draft. The 8 other teams who passed on Mahomes can't say the same, nor can they say they been to the Super Bowl twice. And sure there might have been a little regret passing on Tom Brady, but Tampa went all in at the time now they're just trying to get by with Mayfield. Meanwhile the 49ers now have their franchise QB who has been to the Super Bowl in his second season, not even Patrick Mahomes could say that.

I think maybe we had one poster who was a huge Mahomes fan and is probably the only one who can act like it was clear(even if he was in the clear minority)

People want to give Kyle crap for passing on Mahomes and forget that the Chiefs taking Mahomes at 10 was considered a huge reach and their GM had to address the criticism that was that vocal.

They also want to praise Andy Reid as this brilliant mind who saw the vision when we saw the story how they very easily could've found their "heir" apparent in Paxton Lynch. Just think about how crazy the Broncos moving up ahead of them to take Lynch worked out for KC? Dynasty making move which ended up being disappointment to them at the time.

For those not familiar - Paxton Lynch was going to be KC's choice before the Broncos traded up ahead of them and took him. KC then traded back(with us btw ), picked up Chris Jones and then drafted Mahomes the following season. So for all the BS people give Kyle and praise Andy Reid gets...he was very close to drafting Paxton Lynch who was a major bust and not getting Chris Jones and Patrick Mahomes. What's he winning with Lynch without those two guys?

I'm hoping Brock Purdy is our version of we made a bad move/got cock blocked in the draft but it helped us luck into a better team as a result.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Can't quote for some reason....

Jimmy wasn't a special QB, however,

I get what you are saying, but...in my honest opinion pre injury Jimmy had a top tier short game. his Snap to throw time was really good. He had a fairly rare ability to find his guy and get rid of the ball.

We'll never know exactly what happened with the injury situation. No question the Jimmy we saw in 2017 was not the guy we saw the rest of the way and the injury happened pretty quickly in that 2018 season but he wasn't exactly off to a hot start before the injury at KC. Granted the Vikings game wasn't as bad as the stats show but the Lions and KC game wasn't as good as the stats show either.

However I think in hindsight it's pretty clear Alex was the more talented QB. For those of you who didn't watch the Purdy/Smith/Garcia/Young Q/A session I HIGHLY recommend it. I gained so much appreciation for Alex as a human and as a QB from that. It's tragic what we did to that kid. Had he come into the NFL with Kyle Shanahan's 49ers I think he's looking at a HOF career.

And that 2017 KC season showed us what Alex could've been had Nolan/Singletary not broken him. And he's clearly better than Jimmy with all being equal IMO.

Having said that Jimmy definitely had his strengths and his quick delivery was up there for sure. I think that's also why Kyle made such an emphasis on adding YAC Gods to the offense. Get them the ball in space/short throws and they do the bulk of the work.

I never liked Alex the prospect, because Aaron existed and was clearly a can't miss prospect.....

but.... Alex is a grade A dude....top tier Human being...... and who knows what could have been....Nolan was a s**t show.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Don't like Cohn, but good insight from Tom Walsh here. He touches on something I said before, that Kyle can't just be out there calling plays in crunch time. The chiefs had a plan and knew which plays they would run in different situations. We had no plan, we were just running plays. Last play of the year on offense, that needs to be something we've practiced over and over. It needs to be a go to play. There should be no mental errors because our players have ran it so much that they can do it in their sleep. We don't have those plays. Kyle needs to get on that level

It was an interesting interview but you also have to understand the source. An Al Davis disciple who despite how the Cohns are selling him wasn't actually the OC when they won the SB.

Dude talks about how you need a plan and can't just call plays without a plan...EVERYONE who has ever coached or played under Shanahan knows that's exactly what Kyle does. Now other coaches also have plans so it's always a chess game but Shanahan never calls a play just to call a play. I don't recall which 49er it was that spoke about this maybe Staley or Richard Sherman but they spoke how Kyle sometimes calls plays he doesn't expect to be great but it sets up something for later in the game that could result in a huge play or score.

There is always a plan for Kyle right or wrong.

It also doesn't help Walsh's points when he's speaking incorrectly about what happened in the game and Grant isn't exactly going to correct him since he's trying to paint a picture that Kyle f**ked up.

It's also absolutely stupid to think Shanahan doesn't drill plays or care about situational football. This is the same guy who put Brandon Aiyuk in the doghouse because he wasn't practicing properly or quickly pushed Dante Pettis aside(one of his guys) because he wasn't precise in his routes and was coasting in practice?

Coaches cannot control the players on the field. They try to put them in the best position to succeed but they still have to do what they were coached to do. When they don't do that it's stupid to turn around and claim "the coach didn't drill it enough! He should've been able to do that in his sleep"

They're in the damn Superbowl! If you can't do it here then wtf are you doing?

The biggest issue with Kyle in this SB was once KC adjusted we still stuck running our offense through Deebo instead of Aiyuk. But even with that flaw we still had plenty of opportunities to win the game and failed and those failures were mostly due to execution by the players as well as Wilks deciding to roll out the red carpet for Mahomes late in the game.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Don't like Cohn, but good insight from Tom Walsh here. He touches on something I said before, that Kyle can't just be out there calling plays in crunch time. The chiefs had a plan and knew which plays they would run in different situations. We had no plan, we were just running plays. Last play of the year on offense, that needs to be something we've practiced over and over. It needs to be a go to play. There should be no mental errors because our players have ran it so much that they can do it in their sleep. We don't have those plays. Kyle needs to get on that level

Cohn

Kyle is awful with situational football. We didn't even have a plan for OT. There was a mental error on the biggest play of the year, that alone tells you they had no clue what play they would run if they got in that situation

Just like the final drive in Cleveland. On Armsteads podcast Aiyuk let it slip that Kyle didn't know what to call on that drive. Im sorry, but we can't have that anymore from Kyle. The team that was prepared for the moment came out on top, and it's not surprising