49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I love my coach

amen brother, warts and all
we'll break thru one day, that's what it means to be faithful

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Only reason McVay even won is because s**tty Jimmy was playing with a thumb and shoulder injury in the NFCC…but you know players have zero impact on winning and losing. That victory was solely because of McVay.

Rams had the better team overall. Where were the 49ers better in terms of the roster? Linebacker? Running back perhaps? Anything else?

It was an awesome job to have that team a couple plays away from a SB appearance. Not a choke job that the team with better players pulled out the win when the chips were down.

Trent Williams injured ankle had a lot to do with that game too. especially later in the second half. he was hobbling bad. he even said he was a detriment and wished he hadn't played.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Rams had the better team overall. Where were the 49ers better in terms of the roster? Linebacker? Running back perhaps? Anything else?

It was an awesome job to have that team a couple plays away from a SB appearance. Not a choke job that the team with better players pulled out the win when the chips were down.

EDIT: we were also better at tight end. My bad, George.

don't get me started Smokey, we swept LA that regular season, and 7-0 iirc.. Rams were beatable just didn't get it done, ahem Tartt

Originally posted by glorydayz:
I know what you mean man, I watched Bill Walsh take a 2-14 ('79) team to super bowl champions ("81) in 2 years. This was back when football was tough and offered no special protections to players including QB's. There was no such thing as free agency the way we know it today, so he had to build through the draft and come up with schemes and concepts and drill it into the guys around him. The draft was like 2 million rounds long and he chose great players like Dwight Clark (2x Super Bowl Champion) in the 10th round and Jesse Sapolu (4x Super Bowl Champion) in the 11th round. Even when Coach Walsh left the team they continued to win because his hand picked successor kept winning. The team one for nearly 2 decades!!!

Thats the 49ers standard, and thats what we will always be compared to. This new "almost won" culture is exactly what Coach Walsh guided guys away from. Its a new day, but the standard doesn't change.

Oh, and Walsh made it look easy.

Vince Lombardi and Bill Walsh had scheme advantages. Lombardi picked a lot of great African American players on his team when most teams shied away from playing minorities during those days. Walsh took advantage of the new passing rules and revolutionized the passing game. Kyle's father had a scheme advantage by melding the WCO with the Outside zone. Kyle - I think - is going to advance football further with Brock, possibly the way the old greats did in the past. I think he has the brains for it, and he has the QB that can operate any offensive revolution that Kyle could come up with. We shall see.

Originally posted by boast:
Trent Williams injured ankle had a lot to do with that game too. especially later in the second half. he was hobbling bad. he even said he was a detriment and wished he hadn't played.

you are correct sir

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
don't get me started Smokey, we swept LA that regular season, and 7-0 iirc.. Rams were beatable just didn't get it done, ahem Tartt

They were beatable for sure. Probably the most disappointing loss of the Shanahan era for me.

That said, arguably the primary reason they were beatable is because that guy is our coach. Unfortunately, what some people have to learn is the coach can only do so much and eventually the players have to make the plays. The tougher it gets, the more the curtain gets pulled back and weaknesses get exposed.

Originally posted by picklejuice:
offseason talk is so boring

Personally, I've always enjoyed talking about football. Now talking about stuff *other* than football - I'll pass.

Originally posted by eastie:
Using Glory's logic, a sixth grader in Hoboken NJ fails his math test. It's the parents fault? NO? It's the teachers fault, NO. It's the Principals fault. NO It's the fault of the leader of the school board's fault. Nope. It would be the fault of the Federal Dept of Education as they sit atop the organizational chart. But wait, there is an even higher chart. IT's the fault of the President of the United States. Now if you are of a religious vein then the fault must go to the Leader of your religion of choice. Right, Glory? I mean, its all right there in the charts, correct?

Strawman.

Nothing to see here. Moving on...

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Only reason McVay even won is because s**tty Jimmy was playing with a thumb and shoulder injury in the NFCC…but you know players have zero impact on winning and losing. That victory was solely because of McVay.

'member when Tom Brady left the Pats for the Bucs and Belichik won the next Supe....oh wait.

I really think Brock can approach Tom's success. I think he is capable of it. I've liked to compare Drew and Brock, and if Sean Payton had put a credible defense around Drew - Brees would have been a multiple Superbowl winner too. Belichick is a genius on the defensive side - he was able to stop Mike Martz and Vermeil's record breaking offenses with his defense and Brady. Kyle needs a defensive guy like Spagnolo on his team - and I think the *real* cause of Kyle's inability to close out a Superbowl win is him constantly losing his defensive coordinators just as they get pretty good.

Originally posted by eastie:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by eastie:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Google org. chart yet?

Kyle is responsible for EVERYTHING.

What sounds more like real life here;

Kyle Shanahan's 49ers were defeated in the Super Bowl by Andy Reid's Chiefs.

or

Christian McCaffrey was defeated in the Super Bowl by Patrick Mahomes?

lol what the f**k does headline copy have anything to do with how NFL teams play games.

youre making yourself look really bad and ignorant with this post. youre one of those dudes who just reads headlines and thinks theyre informed.

but at least now you have owned someone on this forum.....yourself!

You see how you went to attacking me rather than talking about your position?

But I look bad?

My position is that Kyle is the end all be all when it comes to 49ers football.

"My position is that Kyle is the end all be all when it comes to 49ers football." No, that would be the York family. Nice try though. If one were to carry your 'logic' to it's conclusion then every head of every business, or group would be run out of town because the janitor at an assembly plant left the lights on. Soon there would be no competent leaders left. You are pushing a childish take.

The York family is focused on the business side of 49ers football, not the X's & O's thats Shanahan.

Nice try though.

Head of every business or group is expected to hire the right folks so that the lights are properly shut off. That is leadership.

That's called moving the goal posts, bro. So it isn't as clearcut as you stated earlier? Any other exceptions that we need to be aware of when responding to your childish posts?

Very poorly written attempt at defending KS.

Kyle himself will tell you the buck stops with him on the field.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
I know what you mean man, I watched Bill Walsh take a 2-14 ('79) team to super bowl champions ("81) in 2 years. This was back when football was tough and offered no special protections to players including QB's. There was no such thing as free agency the way we know it today, so he had to build through the draft and come up with schemes and concepts and drill it into the guys around him. The draft was like 2 million rounds long and he chose great players like Dwight Clark (2x Super Bowl Champion) in the 10th round and Jesse Sapolu (4x Super Bowl Champion) in the 11th round. Even when Coach Walsh left the team they continued to win because his hand picked successor kept winning. The team one for nearly 2 decades!!!

Thats the 49ers standard, and thats what we will always be compared to. This new "almost won" culture is exactly what Coach Walsh guided guys away from. Its a new day, but the standard doesn't change.

Oh, and Walsh made it look easy.

Walsh is Walsh dude. He's one of one. That's not a standard it was f**king decades ago in a league with no cap space and vastly different rules. You could spend all the money you waned on players. They needed to SPEND to get sanders in 94.

Michael Jordan never lost a finals….doesn't mean any other basketball player after him sucked.

So according to you Montana, rice, any of the players you meantioned don't matter in the outcome. It's the HC who gets the credit for winning and losing. That's part of your problem in your debate.

the other problem is if he's not Walsh then he stinks…there's a f**king ton of room there with a ton of nuance &substance to discuss and you're being ignorant about it. IMO that's why no one is buying your complaining about having a damn good HC.

There was free agency in 1994, thats how we got D. Sanders (they only spent $1 million on him). Free Agency started in 1993.

Not to mention Walsh was not the coach in 1994 when we won the super bowl, George Seifert one the last two of the 5 LOL. You don't even know the history of the league or your own team, but you want to tell me what the business is? LOL

SMH

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by picklejuice:
offseason talk is so boring

Was much more fun last year with the QB wars. These arguments are less fun and impressively more stupid.

True

But its all we have LOL

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
We are the opposite of the Bill Walsh 80's 49ers. Back then our offense seemed almost automatic at the end of games and in those situations.

Andy Reid had his team coached up and ready to go when it turned into situational football. Reid wasn't drinking during the O.T rules meeting with the officials LOL.

Andy is also about 4 to 8-ish years to retirement. Kyle's 22 years younger than Reid and Reid needs overtime (same with Bill Belichick) to beat Kyle.

Andy beat him twice, didn't need overtime the first time. But he did have to come from behind to beat Kyle both times, so I guess thats how the Bengals fans feel about Bill Walsh; "HE had to come from behind to beat us in the super bowl, so we are great too!". What does age have to do with anything from a coaching standpoint?

The Rams coach is only 38 years old and he has already won a super bowl. And he had to do it at the end of the game in come back fashion. Now I believe that game was rigged but hey, he won the super bowl LOL.

Age is a big factor favoring Kyle vs Reid and Bellichick. Bill Bellichick didn't even get to his first superbowl until age 49. Reid didn't get to his first superbowl till age 49, and guess what - he lost that game.

Kyle's been to three superbowls, and he's *still* 4 years younger that both coaches currently when compared to their (Reid and Bellichick's) ages when they reached their respective *first* superbowls.

P.s. Bill Walsh didn't get to his first superbowl till age 50.

See; Sean McVay & Mike Tomlin.

They both won it at 36 years old.

Walsh got his first HC job at 47, so he got right to it.

Sean and Tomlin also lost a super bowls. Kyle dominates Sean and Tomlin's not sniffed a Superbowl in more than a decade.

Kyle also dominated McVay in the regular season, yet McVay has a ring.

Kyle is a great regular season Head Coach at this point. He's also good in the playoffs, until...

I think Kyle is going to be - eventually - a fine Super Bowl winning head coach. I just think that, because I'm an optimist. I also think that because he's getting better and better every year. He's gotten closer and closer in each Superbowl. I'm sure that's *not* going to make you any feel better, but it does make *me* feel better.

As a fellow Niner fan I am glad that you feel that way.

I think we will win again too, in fact I think Coach Shanahan will pull it off as soon as next year.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
We are the opposite of the Bill Walsh 80's 49ers. Back then our offense seemed almost automatic at the end of games and in those situations.

Andy Reid had his team coached up and ready to go when it turned into situational football. Reid wasn't drinking during the O.T rules meeting with the officials LOL.

Andy is also about 4 to 8-ish years to retirement. Kyle's 22 years younger than Reid and Reid needs overtime (same with Bill Belichick) to beat Kyle.

Andy beat him twice, didn't need overtime the first time. But he did have to come from behind to beat Kyle both times, so I guess thats how the Bengals fans feel about Bill Walsh; "HE had to come from behind to beat us in the super bowl, so we are great too!". What does age have to do with anything from a coaching standpoint?

The Rams coach is only 38 years old and he has already won a super bowl. And he had to do it at the end of the game in come back fashion. Now I believe that game was rigged but hey, he won the super bowl LOL.

Age is a big factor favoring Kyle vs Reid and Bellichick. Bill Bellichick didn't even get to his first superbowl until age 49. Reid didn't get to his first superbowl till age 49, and guess what - he lost that game.

Kyle's been to three superbowls, and he's *still* 4 years younger that both coaches currently when compared to their (Reid and Bellichick's) ages when they reached their respective *first* superbowls.

P.s. Bill Walsh didn't get to his first superbowl till age 50.

See; Sean McVay & Mike Tomlin.

They both won it at 36 years old.

Walsh got his first HC job at 47, so he got right to it.

Sean and Tomlin also lost a super bowls. Kyle dominates Sean and Tomlin's not sniffed a Superbowl in more than a decade.

Kyle also dominated McVay in the regular season, yet McVay has a ring.

Kyle is a great regular season Head Coach at this point. He's also good in the playoffs, until...

I think Kyle is going to be - eventually - a fine Super Bowl winning head coach. I just think that, because I'm an optimist. I also think that because he's getting better and better every year. He's gotten closer and closer in each Superbowl. I'm sure that's *not* going to make you any feel better, but it does make *me* feel better.

Only reason McVay even won is because s**tty Jimmy was playing with a thumb and shoulder injury in the NFCC…but you know players have zero impact on winning and losing. That victory was solely because of McVay.

Who chose Jimmy, and who put him in with the bad thumb?

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
We are the opposite of the Bill Walsh 80's 49ers. Back then our offense seemed almost automatic at the end of games and in those situations.

Andy Reid had his team coached up and ready to go when it turned into situational football. Reid wasn't drinking during the O.T rules meeting with the officials LOL.

Andy is also about 4 to 8-ish years to retirement. Kyle's 22 years younger than Reid and Reid needs overtime (same with Bill Belichick) to beat Kyle.

Andy beat him twice, didn't need overtime the first time. But he did have to come from behind to beat Kyle both times, so I guess thats how the Bengals fans feel about Bill Walsh; "HE had to come from behind to beat us in the super bowl, so we are great too!". What does age have to do with anything from a coaching standpoint?

The Rams coach is only 38 years old and he has already won a super bowl. And he had to do it at the end of the game in come back fashion. Now I believe that game was rigged but hey, he won the super bowl LOL.

Age is a big factor favoring Kyle vs Reid and Bellichick. Bill Bellichick didn't even get to his first superbowl until age 49. Reid didn't get to his first superbowl till age 49, and guess what - he lost that game.

Kyle's been to three superbowls, and he's *still* 4 years younger that both coaches currently when compared to their (Reid and Bellichick's) ages when they reached their respective *first* superbowls.

P.s. Bill Walsh didn't get to his first superbowl till age 50.

See; Sean McVay & Mike Tomlin.

They both won it at 36 years old.

Walsh got his first HC job at 47, so he got right to it.

Sean and Tomlin also lost a super bowls. Kyle dominates Sean and Tomlin's not sniffed a Superbowl in more than a decade.

Kyle also dominated McVay in the regular season, yet McVay has a ring.

Kyle is a great regular season Head Coach at this point. He's also good in the playoffs, until...

I think Kyle is going to be - eventually - a fine Super Bowl winning head coach. I just think that, because I'm an optimist. I also think that because he's getting better and better every year. He's gotten closer and closer in each Superbowl. I'm sure that's *not* going to make you any feel better, but it does make *me* feel better.

Only reason McVay even won is because s**tty Jimmy was playing with a thumb and shoulder injury in the NFCC…but you know players have zero impact on winning and losing. That victory was solely because of McVay.

Agree,💯% that's the BIGGEST negative I have for Jimmy. He just can't stay healthy.

Also agree, that Losing a Superbowl is a team accomplishment. I think Glory is conflating causation and responsibility. i.e. *what caused the loss* vs *who's responsible for the loss.* Those are two different issues in my opinion.

Facts