49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by glorydayz:
I didn't even see the King article, but thanks for making my argument stronger.

My argument was based on two very important facts, now listen closely:

1. we drafted Solomon Thomas #3 overall.
2. We didn't draft Patrick Mahomes

LOL

Regarding the draft - I think ShanaLynch were rookie drafters back then and have learned a lot since. Quarterbacks are the hardest position to draft in my opinion. Mordicai and Dobb's really look good and fit the - in a sense - the Patrick Mahomes mobile QB with the good/great arm model. I think Kyle is getting better and better at drafting/acquiring QB's. I can't wait to have the NFL have half of the coaches be from the 49ers and then they will want Kyle's QB hand-me-downs for draft picks like back in the dynasty years.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
I know what you mean man, I watched Bill Walsh take a 2-14 ('79) team to super bowl champions ("81) in 2 years. This was back when football was tough and offered no special protections to players including QB's. There was no such thing as free agency the way we know it today, so he had to build through the draft and come up with schemes and concepts and drill it into the guys around him. The draft was like 2 million rounds long and he chose great players like Dwight Clark (2x Super Bowl Champion) in the 10th round and Jesse Sapolu (4x Super Bowl Champion) in the 11th round. Even when Coach Walsh left the team they continued to win because his hand picked successor kept winning. The team one for nearly 2 decades!!!

Thats the 49ers standard, and thats what we will always be compared to. This new "almost won" culture is exactly what Coach Walsh guided guys away from. Its a new day, but the standard doesn't change.

Oh, and Walsh made it look easy.

Vince Lombardi and Bill Walsh had scheme advantages. Lombardi picked a lot of great African American players on his team when most teams shied away from playing minorities during those days. Walsh took advantage of the new passing rules and revolutionized the passing game. Kyle's father had a scheme advantage by melding the WCO with the Outside zone. Kyle - I think - is going to advance football further with Brock, possibly the way the old greats did in the past. I think he has the brains for it, and he has the QB that can operate any offensive revolution that Kyle could come up with. We shall see.

What were the rules that changed in the passing game? 5 yard rule?

Allowed the OLinemen to open their hands in pass protection. Disallowed the Lester Hay's molesting the WR all the way down to the back endzone, and only allowed DB's to hit/jam the WR five yards from the LOS. I think those were the main rules changes in the '80's.

The 49ers were masters at chop blocking. Bobb Mckittrick taught it to perfection. It was outlawed in 2016. O lineman can grab the defenders jersey as long as they don't reach outside to do it. It's one of the things that upsets a lot of fans. O lineman grab the jersey legally and then as the defender tries to get away they continue to reach outside their body to hold. It's a line that officials don't always enforce and sometimes allow too much. It's kind of like the way umpires sometimes have a strike zone that extends 6 inches outside.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
We are the opposite of the Bill Walsh 80's 49ers. Back then our offense seemed almost automatic at the end of games and in those situations.

Andy Reid had his team coached up and ready to go when it turned into situational football. Reid wasn't drinking during the O.T rules meeting with the officials LOL.

Andy is also about 4 to 8-ish years to retirement. Kyle's 22 years younger than Reid and Reid needs overtime (same with Bill Belichick) to beat Kyle.

Andy beat him twice, didn't need overtime the first time. But he did have to come from behind to beat Kyle both times, so I guess thats how the Bengals fans feel about Bill Walsh; "HE had to come from behind to beat us in the super bowl, so we are great too!". What does age have to do with anything from a coaching standpoint?

The Rams coach is only 38 years old and he has already won a super bowl. And he had to do it at the end of the game in come back fashion. Now I believe that game was rigged but hey, he won the super bowl LOL.

Age is a big factor favoring Kyle vs Reid and Bellichick. Bill Bellichick didn't even get to his first superbowl until age 49. Reid didn't get to his first superbowl till age 49, and guess what - he lost that game.

Kyle's been to three superbowls, and he's *still* 4 years younger that both coaches currently when compared to their (Reid and Bellichick's) ages when they reached their respective *first* superbowls.

P.s. Bill Walsh didn't get to his first superbowl till age 50.

See; Sean McVay & Mike Tomlin.

They both won it at 36 years old.

Walsh got his first HC job at 47, so he got right to it.

Sean and Tomlin also lost a super bowls. Kyle dominates Sean and Tomlin's not sniffed a Superbowl in more than a decade.

Kyle also dominated McVay in the regular season, yet McVay has a ring.

Kyle is a great regular season Head Coach at this point. He's also good in the playoffs, until...

I think Kyle is going to be - eventually - a fine Super Bowl winning head coach. I just think that, because I'm an optimist. I also think that because he's getting better and better every year. He's gotten closer and closer in each Superbowl. I'm sure that's *not* going to make you any feel better, but it does make *me* feel better.

Only reason McVay even won is because s**tty Jimmy was playing with a thumb and shoulder injury in the NFCC…but you know players have zero impact on winning and losing. That victory was solely because of McVay.

Agree,💯% that's the BIGGEST negative I have for Jimmy. He just can't stay healthy.

Also agree, that Losing a Superbowl is a team accomplishment. I think Glory is conflating causation and responsibility. i.e. *what caused the loss* vs *who's responsible for the loss.* Those are two different issues in my opinion.

Facts

No that's not what he's doing, you're really not following Geidi.

I think he's just trolling now or too young to really argue, reading some of his post and it's like "Does he really believe some of the stuff he post". Honestly I feel like I'm arguing with my 10 year old son when he says things like "Well who hired him". Stupid post like that, could go all the way to "Well god made the earth and Adam and Eve and Mike Shanahan who's Kyle's dad came from them....so".

In conclusion here you go:



This is who I fee like all the adults are talking to. lol

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Your right as that would be impossible since one was drafted in the 1st and one was drafted in the 3rd.

Beathard wasn't picked over Mahomes, he was chosen by Shanahan over Mahomes who had the opportunity to pick Mahomes with the 3rd overall pick but chose to go with Solomon Thomas instead.

I don't think your logic of comparing Mahomes to a CB is worth exploring. Maybe this is why you give Kyle a pass?

Moving the goalposts to ignore admitting how stupid your takes are is all you have left buddy.

The CB analogy was made to show you how stupid your original point was. At least now you own that stupidity.

Now since you love finding soundbites and videos to prove your point...go look up Mahomes' comments about getting to sit behind Alex Smith.

Say in your hypothetical Cleveland somehow passes on Mahomes despite needing a QB and Shanahan takes him 2nd overall. You think he's getting to learn and grow the same way? You think he gets to go out there with that 2018 Chiefs offense and build all that swagger and confidence?

I'm sure we'd see the same guy KC got for sure.

The kid is trolling you hard genus. lol

Originally posted by tankle104:
Isn't it widely reported that Kyle and his staff didn't really look at any of the top qbs in this draft cause they didn't play on taking one and would get cousins in FA the following year?

I think it's ridiculous that a rookie head coach wouldn't evaluate a draft with a handful of really talented qbs (Watson, mahommes etc). But I don't think that means he liked beathard more than mahommes. I think it means they wanted a young guy to draft and have as a back up in the later rounds and probably just loved beathard film and drafted him earlier than they anticipated.

I think one reason he wasn't able to really identify QB's like Patrick - was the fact that Kyle was hired late in the season. I Kyle was hired I think after the Atlanta Superbowl loss. So he had very little time to scout and actually watch film because he needed to put a coaching staff together (get/interview/evaluate/hire) coaches on top of also putting a scouting staff together (get/interview/hire/train) and so he got to the evaluation of draft pick stage really late in the 2017 season. John Lynch was the one that thought Patrick was special, but he was a rookie GM and probably didn't have the confidence - yet - to strongly contradict Kyle on the offensive side of things. I think both, now, have mutual respect for each other. Which is a good thing. Later, I think, it was John that said lets take Purdy in the 7th because everybody likes him and we don't want the hassle of having to go after him in free agency. At least that's what I recall about the conversations surrounding the Purdy draft.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Do you see any non-fact in my post that you are responding too? (Strawman)

I don't think it's a fact that Kyle liked Beathard more than Mahomes. That's a pretty ridiculous assumption with the only supporting evidence being a report from Peter King (I believe) that said Beathard was the only QB Kyle was willing to take in the draft. Even if that report were true, it's not actually a confirmation that he liked Beathard more than a player who was much more costly in terms of draft picks.

Isn't it widely reported that Kyle and his staff didn't really look at any of the top qbs in this draft cause they didn't play on taking one and would get cousins in FA the following year?

I think it's ridiculous that a rookie head coach wouldn't evaluate a draft with a handful of really talented qbs (Watson, mahommes etc). But I don't think that means he liked beathard more than mahommes. I think it means they wanted a young guy to draft and have as a back up in the later rounds and probably just loved beathard film and drafted him earlier than they anticipated.

There's two mindsets when it comes to NFL GMs/HCs and how they build their teams.

QB First or build the skill/positions/trenches first.

Based on how we drafted early on, our philosophy was the latter. A move I also agree with it. You've had QBs thought the history that get drafted early go to a bad team, and most of the time they are busts. Sometimes you get lucky with a generational talent type player, or a very very good QB that can still elevate above that. But I also prefect build the team first, and then go get your QB.

I agree also with that draft philosophy. It's a team game and building the trenches is important to have a functional offense and help a QB operate the offense. A QB's confidence can easily be shattered and you can't get it back - Alex Smith took years to get his confidence back after he lost it in the beginning of his career. It took a world class OLine under Jim to enable him to recover it.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by RonnieLott:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Do you see any non-fact in my post that you are responding too? (Strawman)

I don't think it's a fact that Kyle liked Beathard more than Mahomes. That's a pretty ridiculous assumption with the only supporting evidence being a report from Peter King (I believe) that said Beathard was the only QB Kyle was willing to take in the draft. Even if that report were true, it's not actually a confirmation that he liked Beathard more than a player who was much more costly in terms of draft picks.

Isn't it widely reported that Kyle and his staff didn't really look at any of the top qbs in this draft cause they didn't play on taking one and would get cousins in FA the following year?

I think it's ridiculous that a rookie head coach wouldn't evaluate a draft with a handful of really talented qbs (Watson, mahommes etc). But I don't think that means he liked beathard more than mahommes. I think it means they wanted a young guy to draft and have as a back up in the later rounds and probably just loved beathard film and drafted him earlier than they anticipated.

Well, none of that is what happened.

What happened was Solomon Thomas got drafted at #3 overall and Beathard got drafted (3rd round) #104 overall.

Meanwhile Andy Reid made a trade with the Buffalo Bills of all teams, trading up from #27 to #10 to get a generational talent.

The Solomon Thomas pick sits over the top of this Franchise for ever.

It has cost us 2 maybe 3 Superbowl wins at least.

Thomas became the third consecutive defensive end drafted in the first round by the 49ers, joining Arik Armstead (2015) and DeForest Buckner (2016). So it was hardly a pick for need basis.

In fact, the man who drafted Thomas, 49ers general manager John Lynch—coincidentally studied alongside Thomas as a mature student while working as a broadcaster for FOX Sports at Standford, so it may have been a nepotistic pick.

Even Rubean Foster was a bad pick at 31, T J Watt was picked one before him.

If they nail the 2017 draft, we would have won at least 2 more Superbowls.

If they nail the 2017 draft they're not getting Nick Bosa.

And no amount of hindsight would result in 49ers drafting Mahomes. Because even in a hindsight redraft the Browns take him…

That means we would get Myles Garrett though…

Futile 20/20 hindsight here, but I do want to point out that there was every reason to draft DL in 2017, as they inherited one of the worst run defenses in 49er history. The 2016 performance there was atrocious.

Agree 💯%, that team was atrocious. I think Kyle went with building the defense up because he knew he could get by on offense via scheme and his coaching acumen. Nobody really knew what Patrick brought to the table back then. Same with Purdy, nobody knew. Drafting QB's in the NFL is tough - a lot of it is luck.

Are we really going over why Shanahan chose Solomon Thomas, D-line over Patrick Mahomes again!!!!

If anyone should be pissed off they chose so and so over Mahomes it should be Bears fans who chose Trubisky over Mahomes. Everyone (Besides Shanahan haters) knew Shanahan wanted Kirk Cousins over any 1st round QB. Shanahan was never gonna trust a rookie QB to start his head coaching career.

Originally posted by captveg:
I don't see the big lie you attribute to their statements. They clearly liked what Brock was showing in training camp 2022, but had no evidence to suggest it would translate to performance in games, as it was so limited in terms of snaps/opportunities. The media members have essentially confirmed this, too. That's the main reason why Brock was 3rd on the depth chart, along with having the investment in Lance that they needed to see play out, and having Garoppolo - a known commodity - surprisingly still available. It's also why they were ready to move on so quicky from both Jimmy (no interest in re-signing in 2023) and Trey (traded) once Brock had his 2022 game film and proved he was recovered from the elbow surgery by pre-season 2023. Brock was even named the starter before he returned from his rehab, so at least by the 2023 offseason they had made up their minds, but the injury recovery was the hold up, so they had to have a contingency, hence bringing in Darnold to compete with Lance.

That's how I remember it too.

Originally posted by Giedi:
I agree also with that draft philosophy. It's a team game and building the trenches is important to have a functional offense and help a QB operate the offense. A QB's confidence can easily be shattered and you can't get it back - Alex Smith took years to get his confidence back after he lost it in the beginning of his career. It took a world class OLine under Jim to enable him to recover it.

2011 49ers weren't a world class O line. Was a great run blocking unit that was questionable at pass blocking. Not that dissimilar to what we have currently. Davis and Iupati weren't that much better in pass protection than Mckivitz and Banks. Just better run blockers.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
I know what you mean man, I watched Bill Walsh take a 2-14 ('79) team to super bowl champions ("81) in 2 years. This was back when football was tough and offered no special protections to players including QB's. There was no such thing as free agency the way we know it today, so he had to build through the draft and come up with schemes and concepts and drill it into the guys around him. The draft was like 2 million rounds long and he chose great players like Dwight Clark (2x Super Bowl Champion) in the 10th round and Jesse Sapolu (4x Super Bowl Champion) in the 11th round. Even when Coach Walsh left the team they continued to win because his hand picked successor kept winning. The team one for nearly 2 decades!!!

Thats the 49ers standard, and thats what we will always be compared to. This new "almost won" culture is exactly what Coach Walsh guided guys away from. Its a new day, but the standard doesn't change.

Oh, and Walsh made it look easy.

Vince Lombardi and Bill Walsh had scheme advantages. Lombardi picked a lot of great African American players on his team when most teams shied away from playing minorities during those days. Walsh took advantage of the new passing rules and revolutionized the passing game. Kyle's father had a scheme advantage by melding the WCO with the Outside zone. Kyle - I think - is going to advance football further with Brock, possibly the way the old greats did in the past. I think he has the brains for it, and he has the QB that can operate any offensive revolution that Kyle could come up with. We shall see.

What were the rules that changed in the passing game? 5 yard rule?

Allowed the OLinemen to open their hands in pass protection. Disallowed the Lester Hay's molesting the WR all the way down to the back endzone, and only allowed DB's to hit/jam the WR five yards from the LOS. I think those were the main rules changes in the '80's.

The 49ers were masters at chop blocking. Bobb Mckittrick taught it to perfection. It was outlawed in 2016. O lineman can grab the defenders jersey as long as they don't reach outside to do it. It's one of the things that upsets a lot of fans. O lineman grab the jersey legally and then as the defender tries to get away they continue to reach outside their body to hold. It's a line that officials don't always enforce and sometimes allow too much. It's kind of like the way umpires sometimes have a strike zone that extends 6 inches outside.

Yeah, outlawing the Bobb McKittrick chop block really hurt the Outside Zone blocking schemes. It took a while for Kyle to adjust I think. He needed bigger guys to hold the backside blocks. Hence Banks and Trent are much bigger than Kyle's typical 295+ to 305+ offensive linemen.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
We are the opposite of the Bill Walsh 80's 49ers. Back then our offense seemed almost automatic at the end of games and in those situations.

Andy Reid had his team coached up and ready to go when it turned into situational football. Reid wasn't drinking during the O.T rules meeting with the officials LOL.

Andy is also about 4 to 8-ish years to retirement. Kyle's 22 years younger than Reid and Reid needs overtime (same with Bill Belichick) to beat Kyle.

Andy beat him twice, didn't need overtime the first time. But he did have to come from behind to beat Kyle both times, so I guess thats how the Bengals fans feel about Bill Walsh; "HE had to come from behind to beat us in the super bowl, so we are great too!". What does age have to do with anything from a coaching standpoint?

The Rams coach is only 38 years old and he has already won a super bowl. And he had to do it at the end of the game in come back fashion. Now I believe that game was rigged but hey, he won the super bowl LOL.

Age is a big factor favoring Kyle vs Reid and Bellichick. Bill Bellichick didn't even get to his first superbowl until age 49. Reid didn't get to his first superbowl till age 49, and guess what - he lost that game.

Kyle's been to three superbowls, and he's *still* 4 years younger that both coaches currently when compared to their (Reid and Bellichick's) ages when they reached their respective *first* superbowls.

P.s. Bill Walsh didn't get to his first superbowl till age 50.

See; Sean McVay & Mike Tomlin.

They both won it at 36 years old.

Walsh got his first HC job at 47, so he got right to it.

Sean and Tomlin also lost a super bowls. Kyle dominates Sean and Tomlin's not sniffed a Superbowl in more than a decade.

Kyle also dominated McVay in the regular season, yet McVay has a ring.

Kyle is a great regular season Head Coach at this point. He's also good in the playoffs, until...

I think Kyle is going to be - eventually - a fine Super Bowl winning head coach. I just think that, because I'm an optimist. I also think that because he's getting better and better every year. He's gotten closer and closer in each Superbowl. I'm sure that's *not* going to make you any feel better, but it does make *me* feel better.

Only reason McVay even won is because s**tty Jimmy was playing with a thumb and shoulder injury in the NFCC…but you know players have zero impact on winning and losing. That victory was solely because of McVay.

Agree,💯% that's the BIGGEST negative I have for Jimmy. He just can't stay healthy.

Also agree, that Losing a Superbowl is a team accomplishment. I think Glory is conflating causation and responsibility. i.e. *what caused the loss* vs *who's responsible for the loss.* Those are two different issues in my opinion.

Facts

No that's not what he's doing, you're really not following Geidi.

I think he's just trolling now or too young to really argue, reading some of his post and it's like "Does he really believe some of the stuff he post". Honestly I feel like I'm arguing with my 10 year old son when he says things like "Well who hired him". Stupid post like that, could go all the way to "Well god made the earth and Adam and Eve and Mike Shanahan who's Kyle's dad came from them....so".

In conclusion here you go:



This is who I fee like all the adults are talking to. lol

I typically give folks the benefit of the doubt. Having said that, I'd rather talk football than he/she-said he/she- said stuff. 😣

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
I know what you mean man, I watched Bill Walsh take a 2-14 ('79) team to super bowl champions ("81) in 2 years. This was back when football was tough and offered no special protections to players including QB's. There was no such thing as free agency the way we know it today, so he had to build through the draft and come up with schemes and concepts and drill it into the guys around him. The draft was like 2 million rounds long and he chose great players like Dwight Clark (2x Super Bowl Champion) in the 10th round and Jesse Sapolu (4x Super Bowl Champion) in the 11th round. Even when Coach Walsh left the team they continued to win because his hand picked successor kept winning. The team one for nearly 2 decades!!!

Thats the 49ers standard, and thats what we will always be compared to. This new "almost won" culture is exactly what Coach Walsh guided guys away from. Its a new day, but the standard doesn't change.

Oh, and Walsh made it look easy.

Vince Lombardi and Bill Walsh had scheme advantages. Lombardi picked a lot of great African American players on his team when most teams shied away from playing minorities during those days. Walsh took advantage of the new passing rules and revolutionized the passing game. Kyle's father had a scheme advantage by melding the WCO with the Outside zone. Kyle - I think - is going to advance football further with Brock, possibly the way the old greats did in the past. I think he has the brains for it, and he has the QB that can operate any offensive revolution that Kyle could come up with. We shall see.

What were the rules that changed in the passing game? 5 yard rule?

Allowed the OLinemen to open their hands in pass protection. Disallowed the Lester Hay's molesting the WR all the way down to the back endzone, and only allowed DB's to hit/jam the WR five yards from the LOS. I think those were the main rules changes in the '80's.

The 49ers were masters at chop blocking. Bobb Mckittrick taught it to perfection. It was outlawed in 2016. O lineman can grab the defenders jersey as long as they don't reach outside to do it. It's one of the things that upsets a lot of fans. O lineman grab the jersey legally and then as the defender tries to get away they continue to reach outside their body to hold. It's a line that officials don't always enforce and sometimes allow too much. It's kind of like the way umpires sometimes have a strike zone that extends 6 inches outside.

Yeah, outlawing the Bobb McKittrick chop block really hurt the Outside Zone blocking schemes. It took a while for Kyle to adjust I think. He needed bigger guys to hold the backside blocks. Hence Banks and Trent are much bigger than Kyle's typical 295+ to 305+ offensive linemen.

The way they allow the holding as long as the hands re inside creates a grey area for officials. They hands can quickly go outside the body and if the official is looking at a different guy they miss it. I can't blame the officials when rules are written that make it harder to officiate a game that's played at such speed. Lineman work on being able to hide their holding the same way receivers work at getting PI calls.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I agree also with that draft philosophy. It's a team game and building the trenches is important to have a functional offense and help a QB operate the offense. A QB's confidence can easily be shattered and you can't get it back - Alex Smith took years to get his confidence back after he lost it in the beginning of his career. It took a world class OLine under Jim to enable him to recover it.

2011 49ers weren't a world class O line. Was a great run blocking unit that was questionable at pass blocking. Not that dissimilar to what we have currently. Davis and Iupati weren't that much better in pass protection than Mckivitz and Banks. Just better run blockers.

I"m talking about the OLine's that Dennis Erickson/Nolan and his gang tried to assemble vs the OLines that Jim had in 2012.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
I know what you mean man, I watched Bill Walsh take a 2-14 ('79) team to super bowl champions ("81) in 2 years. This was back when football was tough and offered no special protections to players including QB's. There was no such thing as free agency the way we know it today, so he had to build through the draft and come up with schemes and concepts and drill it into the guys around him. The draft was like 2 million rounds long and he chose great players like Dwight Clark (2x Super Bowl Champion) in the 10th round and Jesse Sapolu (4x Super Bowl Champion) in the 11th round. Even when Coach Walsh left the team they continued to win because his hand picked successor kept winning. The team one for nearly 2 decades!!!

Thats the 49ers standard, and thats what we will always be compared to. This new "almost won" culture is exactly what Coach Walsh guided guys away from. Its a new day, but the standard doesn't change.

Oh, and Walsh made it look easy.

Vince Lombardi and Bill Walsh had scheme advantages. Lombardi picked a lot of great African American players on his team when most teams shied away from playing minorities during those days. Walsh took advantage of the new passing rules and revolutionized the passing game. Kyle's father had a scheme advantage by melding the WCO with the Outside zone. Kyle - I think - is going to advance football further with Brock, possibly the way the old greats did in the past. I think he has the brains for it, and he has the QB that can operate any offensive revolution that Kyle could come up with. We shall see.

What were the rules that changed in the passing game? 5 yard rule?

Allowed the OLinemen to open their hands in pass protection. Disallowed the Lester Hay's molesting the WR all the way down to the back endzone, and only allowed DB's to hit/jam the WR five yards from the LOS. I think those were the main rules changes in the '80's.

The 49ers were masters at chop blocking. Bobb Mckittrick taught it to perfection. It was outlawed in 2016. O lineman can grab the defenders jersey as long as they don't reach outside to do it. It's one of the things that upsets a lot of fans. O lineman grab the jersey legally and then as the defender tries to get away they continue to reach outside their body to hold. It's a line that officials don't always enforce and sometimes allow too much. It's kind of like the way umpires sometimes have a strike zone that extends 6 inches outside.

Yeah, outlawing the Bobb McKittrick chop block really hurt the Outside Zone blocking schemes. It took a while for Kyle to adjust I think. He needed bigger guys to hold the backside blocks. Hence Banks and Trent are much bigger than Kyle's typical 295+ to 305+ offensive linemen.

The way they allow the holding as long as the hands re inside creates a grey area for officials. They hands can quickly go outside the body and if the official is looking at a different guy they miss it. I can't blame the officials when rules are written that make it harder to officiate a game that's played at such speed. Lineman work on being able to hide their holding the same way receivers work at getting PI calls.

AGree, and it's a lot harder to call holds against Bosa if he's double teamed. I.e. there was no credible pass rusher opposit Bosa last year that drew the double teams away from Bosa.