49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
We live in a society where people want immediate gratification and feel obliged that they deserve what they want. This is only exemplified by social media and the internet which has produced constant dopamine highs in our brains a bit like being addicted to cocaine. We have de-evolved into a crazy lunatic race of monkeys that thinks that all it needs to do is shout and scream and hold our collective breath and we will get what we want. Life doesn't work like that. It's hard. it requires hard work and is full of constant disappointments that seemingly haunt us. But it is imperative in the human psyche to keep going. to keep trying to climb Mt Everest. To keep working hard, every morning getting out of bed with a smile on your face and just happy at the little things, happy at just being alive and pressing on regardless.

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Originally posted by RonnieLott:
We live in a society where people want immediate gratification and feel obliged that they deserve what they want. This is only exemplified by social media and the internet which has produced constant dopamine highs in our brains a bit like being addicted to cocaine. We have de-evolved into a crazy lunatic race of monkeys that thinks that all it needs to do is shout and scream and hold our collective breath and we will get what we want. Life doesn't work like that. It's hard. it requires hard work and is full of constant disappointments that seemingly haunt us. But it is imperative in the human psyche to keep going. to keep trying to climb Mt Everest. To keep working hard, every morning getting out of bed with a smile on your face and just happy at the little things, happy at just being alive and pressing on regardless.

Originally posted by thl408:
I AM NOT COMPARING THAT JENNINGS THROW TO THE CATCH.

Sure ya weren't lol

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
We live in a society where people want immediate gratification and feel obliged that they deserve what they want. This is only exemplified by social media and the internet which has produced constant dopamine highs in our brains a bit like being addicted to cocaine. We have de-evolved into a crazy lunatic race of monkeys that thinks that all it needs to do is shout and scream and hold our collective breath and we will get what we want. Life doesn't work like that. It's hard. it requires hard work and is full of constant disappointments that seemingly haunt us. But it is imperative in the human psyche to keep going. to keep trying to climb Mt Everest. To keep working hard, every morning getting out of bed with a smile on your face and just happy at the little things, happy at just being alive and pressing on regardless.

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Deep truths

Originally posted by captveg:
You know what I've never heard once? A complaint that Mike Holmgren choked and didn't get his offense to put up more than 13 points in the 1990 NFC Championship Game. He had Montana for 90% of the game and one of the best offenses of all time. Why doesn't anyone blame him?

The answer is because everyone could zero in on one play from Craig.

The reality is that the entire offense under performed that day and were out performed by a great Giants defense. It happens, even to great teams, great players and great coaches.

The biggest issue with Craig wasn't the fumble, but his injured state led to reduced performance where otherwise the Niners probably win that game slightly comfortably.

It was similar in ways to how ineffective Todd Gurley was in the Rams SB vs the Patriots, where all year he was dominant.

The Niners defense was better than the offense that year. It wasn't quite like the Harbaugh era disparity, but for sure it wasn't close to the offensive production we were seeing in late '88 to '89.

The Giants defense was great and the team super locked in. In those days, when you won a Super Bowl, it was super hard to get back (which is why '88-'89 back to back is SPECIAL). Losing teams took it hard, and fought hard to get back the next year and usually advanced while the winner faltered. From like '83-'87 you had runner ups advancing to the next level in succeeding postseason. The Niners attempting to 3peat (and almost making that 3rd consecutive SB) was pretty insane to begin with, and it's frustrating how people take it for granted like it was a sure thing.

It was meant for the Giants to win that day, I've accepted it. Maybe one day I can accept 2011, but for years 1990 was darkkkkkkkkk, LOL...

Now the $64,000 question nobody ever wants to discuss is, are we sure the Niners would've beaten the Bills in the SB without Montana?

Could they have game planned the defense as well as the Giants' did to limit their scoring.

People assume because the Bills went 0-4, the Niners would've beat them, but it was only one week of prep and Young wasn't the Young of '92+ at that point either....and remember the Niners did lose to the Bills in that no punt game early '93 season (I think it was '93) at Candlestick...

Given the a*****e teams we've lost SBs too, I probably would've been ok with SF losing to Buffalo if that happened, but crazy stuff....

You don't get the choker label for having a bad game. Kyle is unprecedented when it comes to choking as a play caller. Why is it hard to understand how much of outlier he is?

1-30 when trailing by 7 in the 4th. Blown lead after blown lead in the biggest games. Kyle Shanahan is truly on his own level as a choker right now. I saw something where the odds of him losing all 3 SBs were like 0.00011 or something like that, but Kyle pulled it off lol. I bet that number drops even lower if they include his choke to McVay

He will go down as the biggest choker in NFL history if he doesn't win a ring. Don't be mad at me, it's not my fault

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
You don't get the choker label for having a bad game. Kyle is unprecedented when it comes to choking as a play caller. Why is it hard to understand how much of outlier he is?

1-30 when trailing by 7 in the 4th. Blown lead after blown lead in the biggest games. Kyle Shanahan is truly on his own level as a choker right now. I saw something where the odds of him losing all 3 SBs were like 0.00011 or something like that, but Kyle pulled it off lol. I bet that number drops even lower if they include his choke to McVay

He will go down as the biggest choker in NFL history if he doesn't win a ring. Don't be mad at me, it's not my fault

They can't handle the truth….

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
You don't get the choker label for having a bad game. Kyle is unprecedented when it comes to choking as a play caller. Why is it hard to understand how much of outlier he is?

1-30 when trailing by 7 in the 4th. Blown lead after blown lead in the biggest games. Kyle Shanahan is truly on his own level as a choker right now. I saw something where the odds of him losing all 3 SBs were like 0.00011 or something like that, but Kyle pulled it off lol. I bet that number drops even lower if they include his choke to McVay

He will go down as the biggest choker in NFL history if he doesn't win a ring. Don't be mad at me, it's not my fault

k

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
You don't get the choker label for having a bad game. Kyle is unprecedented when it comes to choking as a play caller. Why is it hard to understand how much of outlier he is?

1-30 when trailing by 7 in the 4th. Blown lead after blown lead in the biggest games. Kyle Shanahan is truly on his own level as a choker right now. I saw something where the odds of him losing all 3 SBs were like 0.00011 or something like that, but Kyle pulled it off lol. I bet that number drops even lower if they include his choke to McVay

He will go down as the biggest choker in NFL history if he doesn't win a ring. Don't be mad at me, it's not my fault

Following up...

Shanahan as OC with WAS/HST/ATL/CLV:

7-52 (.119) when trailing by 8+ in 4Q

4-29 with WAS
1-10 with HST
1-7 with ATL
1-6 with CLV

2 wins with Rex Grossman at QB
1 win with Brian Hoyer at QB

Since then: 0-38 with #49ers

fwiw https://t.co/UGJ7J1ZSVr

— Mike Sando (@SandoNFL) December 26, 2023

k

Stupid gonna stupid

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
You don't get the choker label for having a bad game. Kyle is unprecedented when it comes to choking as a play caller. Why is it hard to understand how much of outlier he is?

1-30 when trailing by 7 in the 4th. Blown lead after blown lead in the biggest games. Kyle Shanahan is truly on his own level as a choker right now. I saw something where the odds of him losing all 3 SBs were like 0.00011 or something like that, but Kyle pulled it off lol. I bet that number drops even lower if they include his choke to McVay

He will go down as the biggest choker in NFL history if he doesn't win a ring. Don't be mad at me, it's not my fault

lol now go look at the rest of the coaches records when trailing by 8 in the 4th. You act like every other coach has some great winning % in that scenario which is f**king false.

What's Tomlin won with the team HE built? A bunch of nothing for 15 years. Dude just got an extension. He's currently been in .500 mode and not gonna get any better with Kenny Pickett lol.

Sean Payton was given a first ballot HOF QB, a dude that has a ton of QB records. One SB and nothing else in over a decade in NO. He's currently destroying the broncos.

Andy Reid lost a SB and multiple NFCC. He was the quintessential "choker" for 20 years! Dude wanted to draft f**king Paxton Lynch, but the broncos moved ahead of KC lol. He had to be talked into taking mahomes and he himself said he doesn't deal with the personnel side of things as much anymore. Dude lets mahomes make up plays during the week and play backyard football most of the time. That's some great coaching lol.

The GOAT in BB has a losing record without Brady and couldn't draft a good QB if his life depended upon it after that. He's currently unemployed.

No it's not your fault that this team hasn't won a SB, it's your fault for consistently crying about having a f**king damn good HC who's built one of the best teams in football. It's your fault for cherry picking dumb stats (without context) for narrative purposes

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
You don't get the choker label for having a bad game. Kyle is unprecedented when it comes to choking as a play caller. Why is it hard to understand how much of outlier he is?

1-30 when trailing by 7 in the 4th. Blown lead after blown lead in the biggest games. Kyle Shanahan is truly on his own level as a choker right now. I saw something where the odds of him losing all 3 SBs were like 0.00011 or something like that, but Kyle pulled it off lol. I bet that number drops even lower if they include his choke to McVay

He will go down as the biggest choker in NFL history if he doesn't win a ring. Don't be mad at me, it's not my fault

Following up...

Shanahan as OC with WAS/HST/ATL/CLV:

7-52 (.119) when trailing by 8+ in 4Q

4-29 with WAS
1-10 with HST
1-7 with ATL
1-6 with CLV

2 wins with Rex Grossman at QB
1 win with Brian Hoyer at QB

Since then: 0-38 with #49ers

fwiw https://t.co/UGJ7J1ZSVr

— Mike Sando (@SandoNFL) December 26, 2023

k

Funny I was gonna post that same tweet and my browser crashed before I hit send. I should learn to read the responses first before rushing to it.

They won't care though. Hell they probably don't even understand what it says. First of all the stat was 7+ and the 49ers were down 14.5 points in average in those situations.

With Brock the 49ers were down 7+ in the 4th 4 times.

They were down 8 points vs the Vikings - Brock threw 2 picks in the 4th quarter
They were down 7 points vs the Bengals - Brock threw a pick and had a forced fumble recovered by Cinci in the 4th quarter.
They were down 21 points vs the Ravens
They were down 7 points vs the Packers - we won

The 3 close games going into the 4th we went 1-2 and both losses were filled with turnovers.

Pretending that Kyle is some crazy choker is just the dumbest narrative. Especially when people choose to close their eyes and ignore the actual scheme on display and the available plays the team fails to execute in those situations.

The only time he dialed up something that was doomed to fail was with Atlanta and Matt Ryan made a bad play worse by taking a key sack, followed up by the LT holding and pushing them even further back.

Also what's absolutely hilarious about the whole situation is Dan Quinn gets ZERO blame for that game. A defensive minded HC had a 28-3 lead that was wiped away as his defense gave up 31 points in less than a half of football without any defensive scores involved and who are people putting the "choke" on?

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
You don't get the choker label for having a bad game. Kyle is unprecedented when it comes to choking as a play caller. Why is it hard to understand how much of outlier he is?

1-30 when trailing by 7 in the 4th. Blown lead after blown lead in the biggest games. Kyle Shanahan is truly on his own level as a choker right now. I saw something where the odds of him losing all 3 SBs were like 0.00011 or something like that, but Kyle pulled it off lol. I bet that number drops even lower if they include his choke to McVay

He will go down as the biggest choker in NFL history if he doesn't win a ring. Don't be mad at me, it's not my fault

I think that's looking at Kyle too pessimistically. I agree with the others who have said, you are cherry picking stats.

I think the Garoppolo era has given you PSTD. It's the Brock era now and if anything - Brock is more like Patrick Mahomes than he is Garoppolo (statistically). Losing leads in the 4th QTR is more a question of *defense* than offense. Kyle isn't known as a defensive genius, just as Bill Belichick isn't known as an offensive genius. Key for Kyle going forward is getting that decent defensive coordinator that will match up with his offensive genius. Walsh had Seifert, Bellichick had Scarnecchia, Andy had Spagnuolo. Kyle? We shall see.

Originally posted by genus49:
Funny I was gonna post that same tweet and my browser crashed before I hit send. I should learn to read the responses first before rushing to it.

They won't care though. Hell they probably don't even understand what it says. First of all the stat was 7+ and the 49ers were down 14.5 points in average in those situations.

With Brock the 49ers were down 7+ in the 4th 4 times.

They were down 8 points vs the Vikings - Brock threw 2 picks in the 4th quarter
They were down 7 points vs the Bengals - Brock threw a pick and had a forced fumble recovered by Cinci in the 4th quarter.
They were down 21 points vs the Ravens
They were down 7 points vs the Packers - we won

The 3 close games going into the 4th we went 1-2 and both losses were filled with turnovers.

Pretending that Kyle is some crazy choker is just the dumbest narrative. Especially when people choose to close their eyes and ignore the actual scheme on display and the available plays the team fails to execute in those situations.

The only time he dialed up something that was doomed to fail was with Atlanta and Matt Ryan made a bad play worse by taking a key sack, followed up by the LT holding and pushing them even further back.

Also what's absolutely hilarious about the whole situation is Dan Quinn gets ZERO blame for that game. A defensive minded HC had a 28-3 lead that was wiped away as his defense gave up 31 points in less than a half of football without any defensive scores involved and who are people putting the "choke" on?

never seen a HC get such little blame for a fallout like the ATL Super Bowl. HIS D gave up 31pts or something in the second half. HIS D gave up like 500 yards of offense and didn't even give his offense a chance in OT. If anyone said your offense would score 28pts in the Super Bowl, you'd take that.

People not holding the HC accountable at all in ATL…then blaming Kyle now because he's the HC is about as hypocritical as it gets. So many half ass stats without any context… makes people whining about Kyle sound like bitter two yr olds who have no clue what they're talking about. I can't take those folks seriously. Nor should anyone else.

Originally posted by NYniner85:


never seen a HC get such little blame for a fallout like the ATL Super Bowl. HIS D gave up 31pts or something in the second half. HIS D gave up like 500 yards of offense and didn't even give his offense a chance in OT. If anyone said your offense would score 28pts in the Super Bowl, you'd take that.

People not holding the HC accountable at all in ATL…then blaming Kyle now because he's the HC is about as hypocritical as it gets. So many half ass stats without any context… makes people whining about Kyle sound like bitter two yr olds who have no clue what they're talking about. I can't take those folks seriously. Nor should anyone else.

No point in splitting hairs. IMO Kyle is an accessory to that crime and thats pretty much how it will always be regardless of how much ones fault it is and isnt.

You know what would stop all this BS? Win a damn super bowl!

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
No point in splitting hairs. IMO Kyle is an accessory to that crime and thats pretty much how it will always be regardless of how much ones fault it is and isnt.

You know what would stop all this BS? Win a damn super bowl!

No it won't. Unless Kyle wins 4 and surpasses Walsh it'll still always be negative with the anti Kyle folk. They have made up their minds.

Originally posted by NYniner85:


never seen a HC get such little blame for a fallout like the ATL Super Bowl. HIS D gave up 31pts or something in the second half. HIS D gave up like 500 yards of offense and didn't even give his offense a chance in OT. If anyone said your offense would score 28pts in the Super Bowl, you'd take that.

People not holding the HC accountable at all in ATL…then blaming Kyle now because he's the HC is about as hypocritical as it gets. So many half ass stats without any context… makes people whining about Kyle sound like bitter two yr olds who have no clue what they're talking about. I can't take those folks seriously. Nor should anyone else.

If Kyle was just playing the 2012 unbeatable Ravens he could be excused for everything. 2016 Pats were a bunch of nobodies though.