49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
You don't get the choker label for having a bad game. Kyle is unprecedented when it comes to choking as a play caller. Why is it hard to understand how much of outlier he is?

1-30 when trailing by 7 in the 4th. Blown lead after blown lead in the biggest games. Kyle Shanahan is truly on his own level as a choker right now. I saw something where the odds of him losing all 3 SBs were like 0.00011 or something like that, but Kyle pulled it off lol. I bet that number drops even lower if they include his choke to McVay

He will go down as the biggest choker in NFL history if he doesn't win a ring. Don't be mad at me, it's not my fault

I think that's looking at Kyle too pessimistically. I agree with the others who have said, you are cherry picking stats.

I think the Garoppolo era has given you PSTD. It's the Brock era now and if anything - Brock is more like Patrick Mahomes than he is Garoppolo (statistically). Losing leads in the 4th QTR is more a question of *defense* than offense. Kyle isn't known as a defensive genius, just as Bill Belichick isn't known as an offensive genius. Key for Kyle going forward is getting that decent defensive coordinator that will match up with his offensive genius. Walsh had Seifert, Bellichick had Scarnecchia, Andy had Spagnuolo. Kyle? We shall see.

Yeah this is a never ending cycle here. These dudes come in make stupid statements about Kyle being a choker and ignore things outside of his control.

In virtually any close game that's decided in the 4th quarter or OT you have an offense who gets the lead or a defense who makes a stand.

There are literally coaches out there who have never sniffed a SB to even have a chance to lose it. Some of the same people bashing Kyle praise Harbaugh as a real HC even though you can argue he "choked" even more so. Nobody mentions him blowing a 10 point lead vs Seattle in 2013. Nobody blames him for Kyle Williams' fumble(I mean he's the HC so he controls everything right?), let's not even get started on the fact that he could never even get a lead in the SB vs a team he was heavily favored over.

And you can use this stupid logic all over the place. Like say Sean McDermott - loss in the SB with the Panthers as the DC since we're giving coordinators blame.

Look at his track record in the playoffs as a HC too
2019 - blow a 16-0 3rd quarter lead, 8pt 4th quarter lead.
2020 - Had a 2 score lead that everyone loves to bring up for Kyle, blew it and gave up 38 points
2021 - Had a lead in the 4th quarter, blew it allowing Mahomes to get into FG range with 13 seconds left in the game, gave up 42 points
2022 - Lost at home as a 6pt favorite
2023 - Lost at home to the Chiefs

This is a coach known for his defenses.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

You don't get the choker label for having a bad game. Kyle is unprecedented when it comes to choking as a play caller. Why is it hard to understand how much of outlier he is?

1-30 when trailing by 7 in the 4th. Blown lead after blown lead in the biggest games. Kyle Shanahan is truly on his own level as a choker right now. I saw something where the odds of him losing all 3 SBs were like 0.00011 or something like that, but Kyle pulled it off lol. I bet that number drops even lower if they include his choke to McVay

He will go down as the biggest choker in NFL history if he doesn't win a ring. Don't be mad at me, it's not my fault

I think that's looking at Kyle too pessimistically. I agree with the others who have said, you are cherry picking stats.

I think the Garoppolo era has given you PSTD. It's the Brock era now and if anything - Brock is more like Patrick Mahomes than he is Garoppolo (statistically). Losing leads in the 4th QTR is more a question of *defense* than offense. Kyle isn't known as a defensive genius, just as Bill Belichick isn't known as an offensive genius. Key for Kyle going forward is getting that decent defensive coordinator that will match up with his offensive genius. Walsh had Seifert, Bellichick had Scarnecchia, Andy had Spagnuolo. Kyle? We shall see.

I don't see it as cherry picked stat. 30+ games is a solid sample size and he's only pulled it off one time. I don't care about the other teams records (which are better), we're supposed to have the best offensive mind on the league that makes everything so easy for his QB, but it's not there in crunch time. He's great at game planning, but if it doesn't work the way he thought he's lost

It goes back to what Aiyuk said about Kyle before a final drive, "He didn't know what to do, didn't know what play to call". That's inexcusable, he needs to be much much better at in game coaching. I agree that Brock gives us a better chance now, but after not winning again with everything in place for Kyle, it's hard to be optimistic about his current strategy. We have too many pieces along with a great QB for the smartest offensive mind to struggle through the playoffs like he did

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:


never seen a HC get such little blame for a fallout like the ATL Super Bowl. HIS D gave up 31pts or something in the second half. HIS D gave up like 500 yards of offense and didn't even give his offense a chance in OT. If anyone said your offense would score 28pts in the Super Bowl, you'd take that.

People not holding the HC accountable at all in ATL…then blaming Kyle now because he's the HC is about as hypocritical as it gets. So many half ass stats without any context… makes people whining about Kyle sound like bitter two yr olds who have no clue what they're talking about. I can't take those folks seriously. Nor should anyone else.

No point in splitting hairs. IMO Kyle is an accessory to that crime and thats pretty much how it will always be regardless of how much ones fault it is and isnt.

You know what would stop all this BS? Win a damn super bowl!

It's not splitting hairs it's people being ridiculous on purpose. Blaming a 28-3 3rd quarter collapse on 1 playcall by the OC is insanity.

Nobody is blaming Saleh for the 2019 collapse giving up the 3rd and 15 play right?

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:


never seen a HC get such little blame for a fallout like the ATL Super Bowl. HIS D gave up 31pts or something in the second half. HIS D gave up like 500 yards of offense and didn't even give his offense a chance in OT. If anyone said your offense would score 28pts in the Super Bowl, you'd take that.

People not holding the HC accountable at all in ATL…then blaming Kyle now because he's the HC is about as hypocritical as it gets. So many half ass stats without any context… makes people whining about Kyle sound like bitter two yr olds who have no clue what they're talking about. I can't take those folks seriously. Nor should anyone else.

No point in splitting hairs. IMO Kyle is an accessory to that crime and thats pretty much how it will always be regardless of how much ones fault it is and isnt.

You know what would stop all this BS? Win a damn super bowl!

It's not splitting hairs it's people being ridiculous on purpose. Blaming a 28-3 3rd quarter collapse on 1 playcall by the OC is insanity.

Nobody is blaming Saleh for the 2019 collapse giving up the 3rd and 15 play right?

Lol no I only blame Eman

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
You don't get the choker label for having a bad game. Kyle is unprecedented when it comes to choking as a play caller. Why is it hard to understand how much of outlier he is?

1-30 when trailing by 7 in the 4th. Blown lead after blown lead in the biggest games. Kyle Shanahan is truly on his own level as a choker right now. I saw something where the odds of him losing all 3 SBs were like 0.00011 or something like that, but Kyle pulled it off lol. I bet that number drops even lower if they include his choke to McVay

He will go down as the biggest choker in NFL history if he doesn't win a ring. Don't be mad at me, it's not my fault

I think that's looking at Kyle too pessimistically. I agree with the others who have said, you are cherry picking stats.

I think the Garoppolo era has given you PSTD. It's the Brock era now and if anything - Brock is more like Patrick Mahomes than he is Garoppolo (statistically). Losing leads in the 4th QTR is more a question of *defense* than offense. Kyle isn't known as a defensive genius, just as Bill Belichick isn't known as an offensive genius. Key for Kyle going forward is getting that decent defensive coordinator that will match up with his offensive genius. Walsh had Seifert, Bellichick had Scarnecchia, Andy had Spagnuolo. Kyle? We shall see.

Yeah this is a never ending cycle here. These dudes come in make stupid statements about Kyle being a choker and ignore things outside of his control.

In virtually any close game that's decided in the 4th quarter or OT you have an offense who gets the lead or a defense who makes a stand.

There are literally coaches out there who have never sniffed a SB to even have a chance to lose it. Some of the same people bashing Kyle praise Harbaugh as a real HC even though you can argue he "choked" even more so. Nobody mentions him blowing a 10 point lead vs Seattle in 2013. Nobody blames him for Kyle Williams' fumble(I mean he's the HC so he controls everything right?), let's not even get started on the fact that he could never even get a lead in the SB vs a team he was heavily favored over.

And you can use this stupid logic all over the place. Like say Sean McDermott - loss in the SB with the Panthers as the DC since we're giving coordinators blame.

Look at his track record in the playoffs as a HC too
2019 - blow a 16-0 3rd quarter lead, 8pt 4th quarter lead.
2020 - Had a 2 score lead that everyone loves to bring up for Kyle, blew it and gave up 38 points
2021 - Had a lead in the 4th quarter, blew it allowing Mahomes to get into FG range with 13 seconds left in the game, gave up 42 points
2022 - Lost at home as a 6pt favorite
2023 - Lost at home to the Chiefs

This is a coach known for his defenses.

Some of these posters make Cowboy/Seahawks fan look like football savants.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

No point in splitting hairs. IMO Kyle is an accessory to that crime and thats pretty much how it will always be regardless of how much ones fault it is and isnt.

You know what would stop all this BS? Win a damn super bowl!

He's an accessory to major choking going back to Atlanta days. Chris Simms, and some posters in this forum talk like everything is all Kyle. The QB is just doing what Kyle says, anybody could step in and do that. If that's the case, all the failure is on him too

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Some of these posters make Cowboy/Seahawks fan look like football savants.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I don't see it as cherry picked stat. 30+ games is a solid sample size and he's only pulled it off one time. I don't care about the other teams records (which are better), we're supposed to have the best offensive mind on the league that makes everything so easy for his QB, but it's not there in crunch time. He's great at game planning, but if it doesn't work the way he thought he's lost

It goes back to what Aiyuk said about Kyle before a final drive, "He didn't know what to do, didn't know what play to call". That's inexcusable, he needs to be better much much better at in game coaching. I agree that that Brock gives us a better chance now, but after not winning again with everything in place for Kyle, it's hard to be optimistic about his current strategy. We have too many pieces along with a great QB for the smartest offensive mind to struggle through the playoffs like he did

Any stat without context is cherry picked.

As mentioned the average deficit the 49ers had in those games was 14.5 points. Go look up the numbers of teams trailing by 14.5+ in the 4th quarter.

The close games as we've seen from the SB can be swung easily one way or another on plays that have nothing to do with the HC. Not to mention with the 49ers the teams until last year were very much run heavy and when in obvious pass situations the team wasn't setup for success.

Even last year we weren't in a great spot playing from behind given our pass pro issues and not a major coincidence but out of the 4 games where we were trailing by 7+ in the 4th quarter two of those games were without Trent Williams and Deebo on the field. The Ravens game they were behind 21 points. Not exactly a recipe for a W for any team.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Lol no I only blame Eman

This doesn't get b***hed about enough. F that guy. "Do your job."

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Lol no I only blame Eman

This doesn't get b***hed about enough. F that guy. "Do your job."

He is that super bowls Burford

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Lol no I only blame Eman

This doesn't get b***hed about enough. F that guy. "Do your job."

He is that super bowls Burford

He was Burford before Burford.

He needs to revamp his drop back passing scheme. All the talk of him taking Jimmy to a SB, but the truth is he was never able to make Jimmy look good in the playoffs. Our roster was just good enough to win in spite of him. I really think he needs to get better in the drop back passing game if we're going to win a ring. His passing offense gets called out by guys like Kurt Warner

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
He needs to revamp his drop back passing scheme. All the talk of him taking Jimmy to a SB, but the truth is he was never able to make Jimmy look good in the playoffs. Our roster was just good enough to win in spite of him. I really think he needs to get better in the drop back passing game if we're going to win a ring. His passing offense gets called out by guys like Kurt Warner

I normally disagree with everything you say but this I do agree with Kyle needing to modernize his passing game. Bringing in a passing game coordinator would be very beneficial for the long term for Kyle.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
He needs to revamp his drop back passing scheme. All the talk of him taking Jimmy to a SB, but the truth is he was never able to make Jimmy look good in the playoffs. Our roster was just good enough to win in spite of him. I really think he needs to get better in the drop back passing game if we're going to win a ring. His passing offense gets called out by guys like Kurt Warner

He definitely could improve his dropback designs. That's a legitimate criticism. It's not bad by any means though, and you don't want Jimmy, and potentially Brock as well, operating out of the dropback game as any kind of focal point of the offense. Ideally we don't find ourselves in position to have to depend on it for multiple reasons.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:


never seen a HC get such little blame for a fallout like the ATL Super Bowl. HIS D gave up 31pts or something in the second half. HIS D gave up like 500 yards of offense and didn't even give his offense a chance in OT. If anyone said your offense would score 28pts in the Super Bowl, you'd take that.

People not holding the HC accountable at all in ATL…then blaming Kyle now because he's the HC is about as hypocritical as it gets. So many half ass stats without any context… makes people whining about Kyle sound like bitter two yr olds who have no clue what they're talking about. I can't take those folks seriously. Nor should anyone else.

No point in splitting hairs. IMO Kyle is an accessory to that crime and thats pretty much how it will always be regardless of how much ones fault it is and isnt.

You know what would stop all this BS? Win a damn super bowl!

It's not splitting hairs it's people being ridiculous on purpose. Blaming a 28-3 3rd quarter collapse on 1 playcall by the OC is insanity.

Nobody is blaming Saleh for the 2019 collapse giving up the 3rd and 15 play right?

Lol no I only blame Eman

Kyle's play calling in the second half of the atl sb cost them the game. Its fact. Look at the run pass split and the lead they had. How some people dismiss this and continue to excuse him is beyond me. 2nd and 11 and in fg range 4min left. He calls a pass. Sack. No fg good bye sb ring. Situational football is not his thing. He needs to learn from his mistakes and not continue to fail at crucial moments.