49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:


never seen a HC get such little blame for a fallout like the ATL Super Bowl. HIS D gave up 31pts or something in the second half. HIS D gave up like 500 yards of offense and didn't even give his offense a chance in OT. If anyone said your offense would score 28pts in the Super Bowl, you'd take that.

People not holding the HC accountable at all in ATL…then blaming Kyle now because he's the HC is about as hypocritical as it gets. So many half ass stats without any context… makes people whining about Kyle sound like bitter two yr olds who have no clue what they're talking about. I can't take those folks seriously. Nor should anyone else.

No point in splitting hairs. IMO Kyle is an accessory to that crime and thats pretty much how it will always be regardless of how much ones fault it is and isnt.

You know what would stop all this BS? Win a damn super bowl!

It's not splitting hairs it's people being ridiculous on purpose. Blaming a 28-3 3rd quarter collapse on 1 playcall by the OC is insanity.

Nobody is blaming Saleh for the 2019 collapse giving up the 3rd and 15 play right?

Lol no I only blame Eman

Kyle's play calling in the second half of the atl sb cost them the game. Its fact. Look at the run pass split and the lead they had. How some people dismiss this and continue to excuse him is beyond me. 2nd and 11 and in fg range 4min left. He calls a pass. Sack. No fg good bye sb ring. Situational football is not his thing. He needs to learn from his mistakes and not continue to fail at crucial moments.

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
Kyle's play calling in the second half of the atl sb cost them the game. Its fact. Look at the run pass split and the lead they had. How some people dismiss this and continue to excuse him is beyond me. 2nd and 11 and in fg range 4min left. He calls a pass. Sack. No fg good bye sb ring. Situational football is not his thing. He needs to learn from his mistakes and not continue to fail at crucial moments.

ATL scored 28 points in that SB it was just like The Catch game

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:


never seen a HC get such little blame for a fallout like the ATL Super Bowl. HIS D gave up 31pts or something in the second half. HIS D gave up like 500 yards of offense and didn't even give his offense a chance in OT. If anyone said your offense would score 28pts in the Super Bowl, you'd take that.

People not holding the HC accountable at all in ATL…then blaming Kyle now because he's the HC is about as hypocritical as it gets. So many half ass stats without any context… makes people whining about Kyle sound like bitter two yr olds who have no clue what they're talking about. I can't take those folks seriously. Nor should anyone else.

No point in splitting hairs. IMO Kyle is an accessory to that crime and thats pretty much how it will always be regardless of how much ones fault it is and isnt.

You know what would stop all this BS? Win a damn super bowl!

It's not splitting hairs it's people being ridiculous on purpose. Blaming a 28-3 3rd quarter collapse on 1 playcall by the OC is insanity.

Nobody is blaming Saleh for the 2019 collapse giving up the 3rd and 15 play right?

Lol no I only blame Eman

Kyle's play calling in the second half of the atl sb cost them the game. Its fact. Look at the run pass split and the lead they had. How some people dismiss this and continue to excuse him is beyond me. 2nd and 11 and in fg range 4min left. He calls a pass. Sack. No fg good bye sb ring. Situational football is not his thing. He needs to learn from his mistakes and not continue to fail at crucial moments.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
No point in splitting hairs. IMO Kyle is an accessory to that crime and thats pretty much how it will always be regardless of how much ones fault it is and isnt.

You know what would stop all this BS? Win a damn super bowl!

No it won't. Unless Kyle wins 4 and surpasses Walsh it'll still always be negative with the anti Kyle folk. They have made up their minds.

I have never felt that way, but you're probably right there will be some lol

For me him winning one would simply prove he can do it. It's going to be incredibly hard for anyone to top Walsh so it wasn't even on my mind.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:


never seen a HC get such little blame for a fallout like the ATL Super Bowl. HIS D gave up 31pts or something in the second half. HIS D gave up like 500 yards of offense and didn't even give his offense a chance in OT. If anyone said your offense would score 28pts in the Super Bowl, you'd take that.

People not holding the HC accountable at all in ATL…then blaming Kyle now because he's the HC is about as hypocritical as it gets. So many half ass stats without any context… makes people whining about Kyle sound like bitter two yr olds who have no clue what they're talking about. I can't take those folks seriously. Nor should anyone else.

No point in splitting hairs. IMO Kyle is an accessory to that crime and thats pretty much how it will always be regardless of how much ones fault it is and isnt.

You know what would stop all this BS? Win a damn super bowl!

It's not splitting hairs it's people being ridiculous on purpose. Blaming a 28-3 3rd quarter collapse on 1 playcall by the OC is insanity.

Nobody is blaming Saleh for the 2019 collapse giving up the 3rd and 15 play right?

Lol no I only blame Eman

Kyle's play calling in the second half of the atl sb cost them the game. Its fact. Look at the run pass split and the lead they had. How some people dismiss this and continue to excuse him is beyond me. 2nd and 11 and in fg range 4min left. He calls a pass. Sack. No fg good bye sb ring. Situational football is not his thing. He needs to learn from his mistakes and not continue to fail at crucial moments.

Kyle is indeed the superbowl clown. Fact.

"With a 25-point lead in the second half, Matt Ryan and Kyle Shanahan stuck to their guns — and it cost them a title"
By Danny Kelly
on February 6, 2017 3:10 am

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:


never seen a HC get such little blame for a fallout like the ATL Super Bowl. HIS D gave up 31pts or something in the second half. HIS D gave up like 500 yards of offense and didn't even give his offense a chance in OT. If anyone said your offense would score 28pts in the Super Bowl, you'd take that.

People not holding the HC accountable at all in ATL…then blaming Kyle now because he's the HC is about as hypocritical as it gets. So many half ass stats without any context… makes people whining about Kyle sound like bitter two yr olds who have no clue what they're talking about. I can't take those folks seriously. Nor should anyone else.

No point in splitting hairs. IMO Kyle is an accessory to that crime and thats pretty much how it will always be regardless of how much ones fault it is and isnt.

You know what would stop all this BS? Win a damn super bowl!

It's not splitting hairs it's people being ridiculous on purpose. Blaming a 28-3 3rd quarter collapse on 1 playcall by the OC is insanity.

Nobody is blaming Saleh for the 2019 collapse giving up the 3rd and 15 play right?

Lol no I only blame Eman

Kyle's play calling in the second half of the atl sb cost them the game. Its fact. Look at the run pass split and the lead they had. How some people dismiss this and continue to excuse him is beyond me. 2nd and 11 and in fg range 4min left. He calls a pass. Sack. No fg good bye sb ring. Situational football is not his thing. He needs to learn from his mistakes and not continue to fail at crucial moments.

Kyle is indeed the superbowl clown. Fact.

Nah you're definitely the clown 😂

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
"With a 25-point lead in the second half, Matt Ryan and Kyle Shanahan stuck to their guns — and it cost them a title"
By Danny Kelly
on February 6, 2017 3:10 am

No, not Matt Ryan, it's all Kyle. And defense is overrated in the playoffs, you need don't need a defense to win games. 🤡

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
"With a 25-point lead in the second half, Matt Ryan and Kyle Shanahan stuck to their guns — and it cost them a title"
By Danny Kelly
on February 6, 2017 3:10 am

No, not Matt Ryan, it's all Kyle. And defense is overrated in the playoffs, you need don't need a defense to win games. 🤡

You guys are a joke. Nearly every article written after that game blame Kyle for a pathetic game plan in the second half. The sports world is all wrong and Kyle defenders are right. Pathetic. Kyle called the plays.. they blew the lead yet he was not to blame. His game plan gave the other team an opportunity to come back. Bad, bad play callin.

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
"With a 25-point lead in the second half, Matt Ryan and Kyle Shanahan stuck to their guns — and it cost them a title"
By Danny Kelly
on February 6, 2017 3:10 am

No, not Matt Ryan, it's all Kyle. And defense is overrated in the playoffs, you need don't need a defense to win games. 🤡

You guys are a joke. Nearly every article written after that game blame Kyle for a pathetic game plan in the second half. The sports world is all wrong and Kyle defenders are right. Pathetic. Kyle called the plays.. they blew the lead yet he was not to blame. His game plan gave the other team an opportunity to come back. Bad, bad play callin.

Interesting, because all I kept hearing was how the entire team collapsed, from Kyle, Quinn, Ryan, the defense and then a lot of credit given to Brady. You posted one link and that guy was also going after Ryan. But most people were blaming the entire team, including Falcon fans. Sure there some outliers that blamed only Kyle, but there was also a few that blamed only the defense or Quinn which is also wrong.

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
Kyle's play calling in the second half of the atl sb cost them the game. Its fact. Look at the run pass split and the lead they had. How some people dismiss this and continue to excuse him is beyond me. 2nd and 11 and in fg range 4min left. He calls a pass. Sack. No fg good bye sb ring. Situational football is not his thing. He needs to learn from his mistakes and not continue to fail at crucial moments.

What happened on that first down to get them into 2nd and 11?

How successful was their running game in the 2nd half?

He played to the strength of his roster with the MVP of the league at QB and that MVP made a bad call way worse.

Fun fact a 28-3 lead isn't lost due to the offensive playcalling on 2nd and 11. Kicks get blocked. Running backs fumble…sometimes in the same game.

Let's be honest you'd just blame Shanahan anyways. Ask me how I know this…

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
"With a 25-point lead in the second half, Matt Ryan and Kyle Shanahan stuck to their guns — and it cost them a title"
By Danny Kelly
on February 6, 2017 3:10 am

No, not Matt Ryan, it's all Kyle. And defense is overrated in the playoffs, you need don't need a defense to win games. 🤡

You guys are a joke. Nearly every article written after that game blame Kyle for a pathetic game plan in the second half. The sports world is all wrong and Kyle defenders are right. Pathetic. Kyle called the plays.. they blew the lead yet he was not to blame. His game plan gave the other team an opportunity to come back. Bad, bad play callin.

Yes it is us who are jokes. Not the genius who is blaming the OC on a 2nd down call and giving no blame to the HC, the defensive minded one, who saw his defense give up 31 points in a half of football.

You can tell the people who don't understand the intricacies of this sport because they love to run with lazy narratives like the one you're regurgitating over and over again.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
You don't get the choker label for having a bad game. Kyle is unprecedented when it comes to choking as a play caller. Why is it hard to understand how much of outlier he is?

1-30 when trailing by 7 in the 4th. Blown lead after blown lead in the biggest games. Kyle Shanahan is truly on his own level as a choker right now. I saw something where the odds of him losing all 3 SBs were like 0.00011 or something like that, but Kyle pulled it off lol. I bet that number drops even lower if they include his choke to McVay

He will go down as the biggest choker in NFL history if he doesn't win a ring. Don't be mad at me, it's not my fault

I think that's looking at Kyle too pessimistically. I agree with the others who have said, you are cherry picking stats.

I think the Garoppolo era has given you PSTD. It's the Brock era now and if anything - Brock is more like Patrick Mahomes than he is Garoppolo (statistically). Losing leads in the 4th QTR is more a question of *defense* than offense. Kyle isn't known as a defensive genius, just as Bill Belichick isn't known as an offensive genius. Key for Kyle going forward is getting that decent defensive coordinator that will match up with his offensive genius. Walsh had Seifert, Bellichick had Scarnecchia, Andy had Spagnuolo. Kyle? We shall see.

I don't see it as cherry picked stat. 30+ games is a solid sample size and he's only pulled it off one time. I don't care about the other teams records (which are better), we're supposed to have the best offensive mind on the league that makes everything so easy for his QB, but it's not there in crunch time. He's great at game planning, but if it doesn't work the way he thought he's lost

It goes back to what Aiyuk said about Kyle before a final drive, "He didn't know what to do, didn't know what play to call". That's inexcusable, he needs to be much much better at in game coaching. I agree that Brock gives us a better chance now, but after not winning again with everything in place for Kyle, it's hard to be optimistic about his current strategy. We have too many pieces along with a great QB for the smartest offensive mind to struggle through the playoffs like he did

There have been about only 21 head coaches in the *entire* History of the NFL that have won at least 1 super bowl. It took Andy 21 years to win his first super bowl. The great Bill Belichick has lost three super bowls. There are 8 teams in the NFL that *only* have super bowl losses and no wins. I think it's too soon to call Kyle a Choker. Fourth Quarter comebacks also depend on who's the quarterback.

Kyle is only 44 and Brock is only 24. That's 15+ years of possible potential super bowl appearances. Drew Brees had 36 fourth quarter comebacks, Tom Brady leads with 46, and Joe Montana had 26. Brock's career is only beginning - if he's anywhere in the neighborhood of Brady/Brees - Brock will be having around 40 or so fourth quarter comebacks in his career.

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
"With a 25-point lead in the second half, Matt Ryan and Kyle Shanahan stuck to their guns — and it cost them a title"
By Danny Kelly
on February 6, 2017 3:10 am

No, not Matt Ryan, it's all Kyle. And defense is overrated in the playoffs, you need don't need a defense to win games. 🤡

You guys are a joke. Nearly every article written after that game blame Kyle for a pathetic game plan in the second half. The sports world is all wrong and Kyle defenders are right. Pathetic. Kyle called the plays.. they blew the lead yet he was not to blame. His game plan gave the other team an opportunity to come back. Bad, bad play callin.

If the media says it it must be so,The head coach has no accountability in that situation how about the DC or the players on both side of the ball it's real easy to blame the guy whose leaving.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
You don't get the choker label for having a bad game. Kyle is unprecedented when it comes to choking as a play caller. Why is it hard to understand how much of outlier he is?

1-30 when trailing by 7 in the 4th. Blown lead after blown lead in the biggest games. Kyle Shanahan is truly on his own level as a choker right now. I saw something where the odds of him losing all 3 SBs were like 0.00011 or something like that, but Kyle pulled it off lol. I bet that number drops even lower if they include his choke to McVay

He will go down as the biggest choker in NFL history if he doesn't win a ring. Don't be mad at me, it's not my fault

I think that's looking at Kyle too pessimistically. I agree with the others who have said, you are cherry picking stats.

I think the Garoppolo era has given you PSTD. It's the Brock era now and if anything - Brock is more like Patrick Mahomes than he is Garoppolo (statistically). Losing leads in the 4th QTR is more a question of *defense* than offense. Kyle isn't known as a defensive genius, just as Bill Belichick isn't known as an offensive genius. Key for Kyle going forward is getting that decent defensive coordinator that will match up with his offensive genius. Walsh had Seifert, Bellichick had Scarnecchia, Andy had Spagnuolo. Kyle? We shall see.

Yeah this is a never ending cycle here. These dudes come in make stupid statements about Kyle being a choker and ignore things outside of his control.

In virtually any close game that's decided in the 4th quarter or OT you have an offense who gets the lead or a defense who makes a stand.

There are literally coaches out there who have never sniffed a SB to even have a chance to lose it. Some of the same people bashing Kyle praise Harbaugh as a real HC even though you can argue he "choked" even more so. Nobody mentions him blowing a 10 point lead vs Seattle in 2013. Nobody blames him for Kyle Williams' fumble(I mean he's the HC so he controls everything right?), let's not even get started on the fact that he could never even get a lead in the SB vs a team he was heavily favored over.

And you can use this stupid logic all over the place. Like say Sean McDermott - loss in the SB with the Panthers as the DC since we're giving coordinators blame.

Look at his track record in the playoffs as a HC too
2019 - blow a 16-0 3rd quarter lead, 8pt 4th quarter lead.
2020 - Had a 2 score lead that everyone loves to bring up for Kyle, blew it and gave up 38 points
2021 - Had a lead in the 4th quarter, blew it allowing Mahomes to get into FG range with 13 seconds left in the game, gave up 42 points
2022 - Lost at home as a 6pt favorite
2023 - Lost at home to the Chiefs

This is a coach known for his defenses.

Totally agree 💯% it's a team game. Offensive and Defensive coaches and players have to be totally on point to win super bowls. Just *one* mistake will cost you a super bowl. That's the difference between a super bowl winner and a super bowl runner up. I think folks just don't appreciate how hard it is to win a 🏆. During the dynasty years you had 20+ straight playoff appearances and *only* five super bowls to show for it.