49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Offense does play a role in giving up points (e.g., extending drives, wearing down opposing D), but 3/4 of the burden to close out the game is on the defense, IMO. The Atlanta SB loss was squarely on the Falcon's D, DC, and HC, not on the OC.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
You don't get the choker label for having a bad game. Kyle is unprecedented when it comes to choking as a play caller. Why is it hard to understand how much of outlier he is?

1-30 when trailing by 7 in the 4th. Blown lead after blown lead in the biggest games. Kyle Shanahan is truly on his own level as a choker right now. I saw something where the odds of him losing all 3 SBs were like 0.00011 or something like that, but Kyle pulled it off lol. I bet that number drops even lower if they include his choke to McVay

He will go down as the biggest choker in NFL history if he doesn't win a ring. Don't be mad at me, it's not my fault

I think that's looking at Kyle too pessimistically. I agree with the others who have said, you are cherry picking stats.

I think the Garoppolo era has given you PSTD. It's the Brock era now and if anything - Brock is more like Patrick Mahomes than he is Garoppolo (statistically). Losing leads in the 4th QTR is more a question of *defense* than offense. Kyle isn't known as a defensive genius, just as Bill Belichick isn't known as an offensive genius. Key for Kyle going forward is getting that decent defensive coordinator that will match up with his offensive genius. Walsh had Seifert, Bellichick had Scarnecchia, Andy had Spagnuolo. Kyle? We shall see.

Yeah this is a never ending cycle here. These dudes come in make stupid statements about Kyle being a choker and ignore things outside of his control.

In virtually any close game that's decided in the 4th quarter or OT you have an offense who gets the lead or a defense who makes a stand.

There are literally coaches out there who have never sniffed a SB to even have a chance to lose it. Some of the same people bashing Kyle praise Harbaugh as a real HC even though you can argue he "choked" even more so. Nobody mentions him blowing a 10 point lead vs Seattle in 2013. Nobody blames him for Kyle Williams' fumble(I mean he's the HC so he controls everything right?), let's not even get started on the fact that he could never even get a lead in the SB vs a team he was heavily favored over.

And you can use this stupid logic all over the place. Like say Sean McDermott - loss in the SB with the Panthers as the DC since we're giving coordinators blame.

Look at his track record in the playoffs as a HC too
2019 - blow a 16-0 3rd quarter lead, 8pt 4th quarter lead.
2020 - Had a 2 score lead that everyone loves to bring up for Kyle, blew it and gave up 38 points
2021 - Had a lead in the 4th quarter, blew it allowing Mahomes to get into FG range with 13 seconds left in the game, gave up 42 points
2022 - Lost at home as a 6pt favorite
2023 - Lost at home to the Chiefs

This is a coach known for his defenses.

Totally agree 💯% it's a team game. Offensive and Defensive coaches and players have to be totally on point to win super bowls. Just *one* mistake will cost you a super bowl. That's the difference between a super bowl winner and a super bowl runner up. I think folks just don't appreciate how hard it is to win a 🏆. During the dynasty years you had 20+ straight playoff appearances and *only* five super bowls to show for it.

I mean... That's why you have to win them and not stupidly give 3 chances away. Especially when the road was paved in gold for us like it was last year.

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
You don't get the choker label for having a bad game. Kyle is unprecedented when it comes to choking as a play caller. Why is it hard to understand how much of outlier he is?

1-30 when trailing by 7 in the 4th. Blown lead after blown lead in the biggest games. Kyle Shanahan is truly on his own level as a choker right now. I saw something where the odds of him losing all 3 SBs were like 0.00011 or something like that, but Kyle pulled it off lol. I bet that number drops even lower if they include his choke to McVay

He will go down as the biggest choker in NFL history if he doesn't win a ring. Don't be mad at me, it's not my fault

I think that's looking at Kyle too pessimistically. I agree with the others who have said, you are cherry picking stats.

I think the Garoppolo era has given you PSTD. It's the Brock era now and if anything - Brock is more like Patrick Mahomes than he is Garoppolo (statistically). Losing leads in the 4th QTR is more a question of *defense* than offense. Kyle isn't known as a defensive genius, just as Bill Belichick isn't known as an offensive genius. Key for Kyle going forward is getting that decent defensive coordinator that will match up with his offensive genius. Walsh had Seifert, Bellichick had Scarnecchia, Andy had Spagnuolo. Kyle? We shall see.

Yeah this is a never ending cycle here. These dudes come in make stupid statements about Kyle being a choker and ignore things outside of his control.

In virtually any close game that's decided in the 4th quarter or OT you have an offense who gets the lead or a defense who makes a stand.

There are literally coaches out there who have never sniffed a SB to even have a chance to lose it. Some of the same people bashing Kyle praise Harbaugh as a real HC even though you can argue he "choked" even more so. Nobody mentions him blowing a 10 point lead vs Seattle in 2013. Nobody blames him for Kyle Williams' fumble(I mean he's the HC so he controls everything right?), let's not even get started on the fact that he could never even get a lead in the SB vs a team he was heavily favored over.

And you can use this stupid logic all over the place. Like say Sean McDermott - loss in the SB with the Panthers as the DC since we're giving coordinators blame.

Look at his track record in the playoffs as a HC too
2019 - blow a 16-0 3rd quarter lead, 8pt 4th quarter lead.
2020 - Had a 2 score lead that everyone loves to bring up for Kyle, blew it and gave up 38 points
2021 - Had a lead in the 4th quarter, blew it allowing Mahomes to get into FG range with 13 seconds left in the game, gave up 42 points
2022 - Lost at home as a 6pt favorite
2023 - Lost at home to the Chiefs

This is a coach known for his defenses.

Totally agree 💯% it's a team game. Offensive and Defensive coaches and players have to be totally on point to win super bowls. Just *one* mistake will cost you a super bowl. That's the difference between a super bowl winner and a super bowl runner up. I think folks just don't appreciate how hard it is to win a 🏆. During the dynasty years you had 20+ straight playoff appearances and *only* five super bowls to show for it.

I mean... That's why you have to win them and not stupidly give 3 chances away. Especially when the road was paved in gold for us like it was last year.

This. It's easy to make the SB. Chiefs are also garbage. Pat is overrated/

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
He needs to revamp his drop back passing scheme. All the talk of him taking Jimmy to a SB, but the truth is he was never able to make Jimmy look good in the playoffs. Our roster was just good enough to win in spite of him. I really think he needs to get better in the drop back passing game if we're going to win a ring. His passing offense gets called out by guys like Kurt Warner

We saw how Jimmy looked without Kyle. Some want to pretend healed up injuries were the cause but it is clear who made who.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
This. It's easy to make the SB. Chiefs are also garbage. Pat is overrated/

They are no 2012 Ravens. That team was unbeatable.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
This. It's easy to make the SB. Chiefs are also garbage. Pat is overrated/

They are no 2012 Ravens. That team was unbeatable.

Flacco >>> PM

Gotta remember this is Shanny's first stint as HC. He took a Mr. Irrelevant and Jimmy G to the super bowl and multiple NFCCs. We just ran into the best QB the league has seen in a while. Could have made it last year if Brock didn't get hurt but odds are we lose to Mahomes again. There is no stopping that guy in the big games. He's that dude.

Like others have said. If we fire Shanny, we would be dumb and he'd get hired immediately for top dollar. Glad Jed learned his lesson and is keeping his dick in his pants.

Originally posted by WestCoastForever:
Offense does play a role in giving up points (e.g., extending drives, wearing down opposing D), but 3/4 of the burden to close out the game is on the defense, IMO. The Atlanta SB loss was squarely on the Falcon's D, DC, and HC, not on the OC.

Nice to offer opinions but the facts remain in place. Kyle was responsible for the offense that ultimately helped secure the loss. People can make all the excuses and offer opinions but the facts are not changing… he is 0-3.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

He needs to revamp his drop back passing scheme. All the talk of him taking Jimmy to a SB, but the truth is he was never able to make Jimmy look good in the playoffs. Our roster was just good enough to win in spite of him. I really think he needs to get better in the drop back passing game if we're going to win a ring. His passing offense gets called out by guys like Kurt Warner

We saw how Jimmy looked without Kyle. Some want to pretend healed up injuries were the cause but it is clear who made who.

We also saw how Jimmy looked with Kyle in the playoffs. Kyle wasn't elevating Jimmy with an amazing passing offense against playoff defenses

Kyle rode a strong defense and running game, but people talk like he was making Jimmy look great in the playoffs, and anybody could look good in that situation. It's funny because the example they use looked absolutely awful with Kyle in the playoffs

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

This. It's easy to make the SB. Chiefs are also garbage. Pat is overrated/

They are no 2012 Ravens. That team was unbeatable.

Flacco >>> PM

In the SB yes. Best playoff run of all time I believe. Foles was better than Mahomes in any of his SBs too. No excuse for losing to Mahomes greatness, because he wasn't great against us in either SB

Brady never lost to Mahomes. He did lose to Foles and Eli though (and Flacco in 2012). It's all about how you play on the day you play, and Mahomes wasn't great in either of our SBs. We still lost both times

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:

Originally posted by WestCoastForever:
Offense does play a role in giving up points (e.g., extending drives, wearing down opposing D), but 3/4 of the burden to close out the game is on the defense, IMO. The Atlanta SB loss was squarely on the Falcon's D, DC, and HC, not on the OC.

Nice to offer opinions but the facts remain in place. Kyle was responsible for the offense that ultimately helped secure the loss. People can make all the excuses and offer opinions but the facts are not changing… he is 0-3.

Oh yah how so explain, what are the facts that helped secure that loss?

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
You don't get the choker label for having a bad game. Kyle is unprecedented when it comes to choking as a play caller. Why is it hard to understand how much of outlier he is?

1-30 when trailing by 7 in the 4th. Blown lead after blown lead in the biggest games. Kyle Shanahan is truly on his own level as a choker right now. I saw something where the odds of him losing all 3 SBs were like 0.00011 or something like that, but Kyle pulled it off lol. I bet that number drops even lower if they include his choke to McVay

He will go down as the biggest choker in NFL history if he doesn't win a ring. Don't be mad at me, it's not my fault

I think that's looking at Kyle too pessimistically. I agree with the others who have said, you are cherry picking stats.

I think the Garoppolo era has given you PSTD. It's the Brock era now and if anything - Brock is more like Patrick Mahomes than he is Garoppolo (statistically). Losing leads in the 4th QTR is more a question of *defense* than offense. Kyle isn't known as a defensive genius, just as Bill Belichick isn't known as an offensive genius. Key for Kyle going forward is getting that decent defensive coordinator that will match up with his offensive genius. Walsh had Seifert, Bellichick had Scarnecchia, Andy had Spagnuolo. Kyle? We shall see.

Yeah this is a never ending cycle here. These dudes come in make stupid statements about Kyle being a choker and ignore things outside of his control.

In virtually any close game that's decided in the 4th quarter or OT you have an offense who gets the lead or a defense who makes a stand.

There are literally coaches out there who have never sniffed a SB to even have a chance to lose it. Some of the same people bashing Kyle praise Harbaugh as a real HC even though you can argue he "choked" even more so. Nobody mentions him blowing a 10 point lead vs Seattle in 2013. Nobody blames him for Kyle Williams' fumble(I mean he's the HC so he controls everything right?), let's not even get started on the fact that he could never even get a lead in the SB vs a team he was heavily favored over.

And you can use this stupid logic all over the place. Like say Sean McDermott - loss in the SB with the Panthers as the DC since we're giving coordinators blame.

Look at his track record in the playoffs as a HC too
2019 - blow a 16-0 3rd quarter lead, 8pt 4th quarter lead.
2020 - Had a 2 score lead that everyone loves to bring up for Kyle, blew it and gave up 38 points
2021 - Had a lead in the 4th quarter, blew it allowing Mahomes to get into FG range with 13 seconds left in the game, gave up 42 points
2022 - Lost at home as a 6pt favorite
2023 - Lost at home to the Chiefs

This is a coach known for his defenses.

Totally agree 💯% it's a team game. Offensive and Defensive coaches and players have to be totally on point to win super bowls. Just *one* mistake will cost you a super bowl. That's the difference between a super bowl winner and a super bowl runner up. I think folks just don't appreciate how hard it is to win a 🏆. During the dynasty years you had 20+ straight playoff appearances and *only* five super bowls to show for it.

I mean... That's why you have to win them and not stupidly give 3 chances away. Especially when the road was paved in gold for us like it was last year.

I don't think there's a time where you have the *best* chance to win a super bowl, it's different every year and the key is to finish strong vs starting strong. KC finished strong last year, so did the 49ers, and what separated KC from SF was just one or two plays.

Injuries, bad play calls, bad breaks, bad coaching all contribute to a loss. But that's true every year. Eventually chances turn and you start getting the breaks, the play calls, and get healthy at an important time - and finally win one. I feel sorry for the Buffalo Bill's franchise that have had straight Superbowl fourPete losses, as compared to the 49ers who have five Superbowl wins. It's hard to get into a super bowl let alone win one. I think a lot of people don't appreciate how *HARD* it is to get into a Superbowl because Kyle is the 49ers HC and this franchise have been in the super bowl playoff mix every year since 2019.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
He needs to revamp his drop back passing scheme. All the talk of him taking Jimmy to a SB, but the truth is he was never able to make Jimmy look good in the playoffs. Our roster was just good enough to win in spite of him. I really think he needs to get better in the drop back passing game if we're going to win a ring. His passing offense gets called out by guys like Kurt Warner

Hence Kyle picked up Pearsol and Cowing and drafted Puni and Kinston. Kyle's not so stupid that he can't see his faults. He's a bit stubborn but his super bowl losses has always made him change his fundamental philosophies for the better.

1987 the 49ers were one and done and looked like they were a fading team, but then whalla, the next two years - they get it done and were on the verge of a three-pete. You just don't know. Specially with a franchise level QB like Brock, I don't think there's any real good reason to be pessimistic about the 49ers future or Kyle's coaching. But there's nothing wrong with being pessimistic. Whatever floats a 49er fans boat, so long as they are 49er fans.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
We also saw how Jimmy looked with Kyle in the playoffs. Kyle wasn't elevating Jimmy with an amazing passing offense against playoff defenses

Kyle rode a strong defense and running game, but people talk like he was making Jimmy look great in the playoffs, and anybody could look good in that situation. It's funny because the example they use looked absolutely awful with Kyle in the playoffs

Players have ceilings. How come Andy couldn't get Nabby over the hump in the SuperBowl? Or all those NFC title games?

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
He needs to revamp his drop back passing scheme. All the talk of him taking Jimmy to a SB, but the truth is he was never able to make Jimmy look good in the playoffs. Our roster was just good enough to win in spite of him. I really think he needs to get better in the drop back passing game if we're going to win a ring. His passing offense gets called out by guys like Kurt Warner

Hence Kyle picked up Pearsol and Cowing and drafted Puni and Kinston. Kyle's not so stupid that he can't see his faults. He's a bit stubborn but his super bowl losses has always made him change his fundamental philosophies for the better.

1987 the 49ers were one and done and looked like they were a fading team, but then whalla, the next two years - they get it done and were on the verge of a three-pete. You just don't know. Specially with a franchise level QB like Brock, I don't think there's any real good reason to be pessimistic about the 49ers future or Kyle's coaching. But there's nothing wrong with being pessimistic. Whatever floats a 49er fans boat, so long as they are 49er fans.

Yeah the good ol fizzle in the drizzle against the Vikings when the niners had the number 1 defense and number 1 offense.

Kyle needs to make adjustments to finally win one and then we can have Kyle as a great niners coach. He is better than most coaches and if he learns that coaches like spags catch on to what the offense is doing. He needs to counter with adjusting the offense to the new holes in zone D.