49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by KittleMeThis:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
The day after Kyle wins the Superbowl for the 49ers, there will still be someone on this site calling for him to get fired.

I hope he does win one..starting to look embarrassing tbh

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You all are hilarious, and not in a good way.

There are literally franchises who haven't even been in the SB. The Cowboys haven't made the NFCCG in 25+ years. Lions fans were pissing themselves just to win a playoff game. It's not what we want but to pretend this is embarrassing is straight up laughable.

I agree,

I will say even with losing the SB, and the NFCC games last few years, it still felt good to be in the playoffs playing into late January. Hurts at the moment of the loss, but to those aka Raider fans who say "well I rather not even be in the playoffs if you don't win it all" are full of it. Playoff football just hits different.

2021 might be one of my favorite playoffs jus cause we took out Dallas and GB in the same season.

2022 beating Seattle and Dallas in the playoffs.

2023 beating GB, and Detroit.

What are we like 6-0 at home during the playoffs too?

But of course the season the 49ers win it all will be the best. It's coming, I can feel it!

I don't have a problem with you guys having a lower standard, thats your choice.

My standards for this football team just happen to be much higher, we are not the Lions or Cowboys, we are the SAN FRANCISCO 49ER'S!!!

Agree to disagree

Originally posted by genus49:
You all are hilarious, and not in a good way.

There are literally franchises who haven't even been in the SB. The Cowboys haven't made the NFCCG in 25+ years. Lions fans were pissing themselves just to win a playoff game. It's not what we want but to pretend this is embarrassing is straight up laughable.

You seem touchy some when it comes to Kyle, why so much so? Mike is that you? /j. I don't care about the Cowboys and their sorry ass team that is melting lol.

But yeah, at least we aren't the Lions, Gamble Campbell was dumb as s-it with some of those calls in the Champ Game. So glad we don't have that guy. Acted like a guy at the roulette table trying to pay off dealers. But that was good for us:).

Kyle isn't perfect. I don't expect him to be. Just bring one home man lol.

Originally posted by Montana:
Gosh, I was so disappointed with Chase lol. I dnt know how many times I said, "lazy bum!" during the games haha. I was so hyped when he came here. I was about to get a jersey and everything. Glad I held off a bit. Got me all excited only to throw me into to a cold shower. Lol. And good point about Kyle being able to chill out more and focus on offense now that Wilks is gone. I knew he was toast when Kyle said, "WHAT ARE YOU DOING?" Oh wait, that was Bell. Same difference lol.
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Agree about defense and Walsh. Losing Dco sucked and wish we could have kept him. We definitely had to babysit Wilks! I won't forget Purdy's face on one drive whatever team made on us, he looked concerned and like WTF. Lol maybe Purdy said Wilks had to go and boom, gone lol. He was totally gunna go anyway but lol I feel like whatever Purdy wants, he will get and that is how it should be! Haha.

The defense that Kyle runs is unique in my opinion. You have the old Pete Carroll/Monte Kiffen stuff - on the front end and back end, and you have the Wide 9. It's not the most easiest defense to pick up. Pattern matching zone - the Fangio stuff - needs a lot of reps to be on the same page (sort of like the outside zone run). Asking Wilk's who's not run the Pete Carroll scheme - was too tall a task, in hindsight.

Bottom line Kyle is going to go through ups and downs on the defensive side if he can't stabilize that part of his coaching staff, in my mind. Yes, Demeco, Salah, got us some great compensation draft picks, but I think it also cost us a Super Bowl (Losing Demeco).

Originally posted by glorydayz:
I don't have a problem with you guys having a lower standard, thats your choice.

My standards for this football team just happen to be much higher, we are not the Lions or Cowboys, we are the SAN FRANCISCO 49ER'S!!!

Agree to disagree

Originally posted by Montana:
You seem touchy some when it comes to Kyle, why so much so? Mike is that you? /j. I don't care about the Cowboys and their sorry ass team that is melting lol.

But yeah, at least we aren't the Lions, Gamble Campbell was dumb as s-it with some of those calls in the Champ Game. So glad we don't have that guy. Acted like a guy at the roulette table trying to pay off dealers. But that was good for us:).

Kyle isn't perfect. I don't expect him to be. Just bring one home man lol.

Since the both of you keep playing the same old narrative I'll quote you both.

This isn't a Kyle situation...then again these days it wouldn't surprise me if some here started blaming him for the loss to the Ravens in 2012 as well. This is an extreme overraction situation.

You don't have to be ok with losing a SB. I'm not ok with it either. However calling what the 49ers have done embarrassing is ridiculous hyperbole. There are levels to this and the 49ers are far on the non embarrassing scale.

It's like you're embarrassed to have a 9 inch dick cuz you get a SB ring at 10 inches. Meanwhile there are 30 guys walking around with tic tacs.

Originally posted by genus49:
Since the both of you keep playing the same old narrative I'll quote you both.

This isn't a Kyle situation...then again these days it wouldn't surprise me if some here started blaming him for the loss to the Ravens in 2012 as well. This is an extreme overraction situation.

You don't have to be ok with losing a SB. I'm not ok with it either. However calling what the 49ers have done embarrassing is ridiculous hyperbole. There are levels to this and the 49ers are far on the non embarrassing scale.

It's like you're embarrassed to have a 9 inch dick cuz you get a SB ring at 10 inches. Meanwhile there are 30 guys walking around with tic tacs.

Your analogy really hits home for me.

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by genus49:
You all are hilarious, and not in a good way.

There are literally franchises who haven't even been in the SB. The Cowboys haven't made the NFCCG in 25+ years. Lions fans were pissing themselves just to win a playoff game. It's not what we want but to pretend this is embarrassing is straight up laughable.

You seem touchy some when it comes to Kyle, why so much so? Mike is that you? /j. I don't care about the Cowboys and their sorry ass team that is melting lol.

But yeah, at least we aren't the Lions, Gamble Campbell was dumb as s-it with some of those calls in the Champ Game. So glad we don't have that guy. Acted like a guy at the roulette table trying to pay off dealers. But that was good for us:).

Kyle isn't perfect. I don't expect him to be. Just bring one home man lol.

Kyle cn't bring one home if the players don't produce in the 4th quarter. In today's game that's often where games are won or lost. The defense can't allow the other team to score in the 4th after playing well for 3 quarters. That's not Kyle. The blocking on offense can't break down in the 4th quarter. That's not on Kyle.

Were there some plays that he could have called differently? Sure but if the players had done their job those plays could have worked. I still say that the freak bounce that caused the muffed punt was the turning point. Until then the Chiefs looked dead in the water. It's easy to second guess but the Niners outplayed the Chiefs for most of the game. In the end it came down to OT.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by genus49:
You all are hilarious, and not in a good way.

There are literally franchises who haven't even been in the SB. The Cowboys haven't made the NFCCG in 25+ years. Lions fans were pissing themselves just to win a playoff game. It's not what we want but to pretend this is embarrassing is straight up laughable.

You seem touchy some when it comes to Kyle, why so much so? Mike is that you? /j. I don't care about the Cowboys and their sorry ass team that is melting lol.

But yeah, at least we aren't the Lions, Gamble Campbell was dumb as s-it with some of those calls in the Champ Game. So glad we don't have that guy. Acted like a guy at the roulette table trying to pay off dealers. But that was good for us:).

Kyle isn't perfect. I don't expect him to be. Just bring one home man lol.

Kyle cn't bring one home if the players don't produce in the 4th quarter. In today's game that's often where games are won or lost. The defense can't allow the other team to score in the 4th after playing well for 3 quarters. That's not Kyle. The blocking on offense can't break down in the 4th quarter. That's not on Kyle.

Were there some plays that he could have called differently? Sure but if the players had done their job those plays could have worked. I still say that the freak bounce that caused the muffed punt was the turning point. Until then the Chiefs looked dead in the water. It's easy to second guess but the Niners outplayed the Chiefs for most of the game. In the end it came down to OT.

Kyle can't also control someone tearing their Achilles running onto the field.

It would have been a different ball game had Greenlaw not got hurt.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
A handful of posters in here that want him fired because he's not Bill Walsh or some s**t

Lol..there is only one Bill Walsh. That's like an impossible bar to hold anyone to. Fire Kyle? I mean and replace him with? I have been super disappointed with him in the SBs..but who else we gunna get? I hope Kyle breaks the losing streak. I hate him in the SBs..but like him during regular season. Wilks was a bad idea though. If KC would just go away, maybe we would have a shot haha.

I think Kyle is up there in coaching talent level. Not saying he's Walsh 2.0, but he can be. Bill was an ultimate football teacher and half the NFL was under his coaching tree by the time he was retired. Andy and Kyle are part of the Walsh tree, for what its worth.

I think the difference between Walsh and Kyle is defense. Walsh was a better defensive coach than Kyle is currently, but I think Kyle is catching up. He just needs a guy like Spagnolo/Seifert that is a fantastic defensive coordinator that doesn't aspire to be a head coach - to man that side of the LOS on a long term basis.

Kyle's defensive coaching turnover does affect his defenses in a big way, every time it happens.

That's the key. Also the rules have changed to favor the offense so much that it's a tough comparison.

All we can do is judge based on the here and now. These are the coaches to win a SB in the last 20 years.

Andy Reid x 3
Sean McVay
Bruce Arians
Bill Belichick x 5
Doug Pederson
Gary Kubiak
Pete Carroll
John Harbaugh
Tom Coughlin x 2
Mike McCarthy
Sean Payton
Mike Tomlin
Tony Dungy
Bill Cowher

Tom Brady was the QB for 6 of those wins.
Patrick Mahomes was the QB for 3 of those wins
Ben Roethlisberger was the QB for 2 of those wins
Peyton Manning was the QB for 2 of those wins
Eli Manning was the QB for 2 of those wins
Drew Brees was the QB for 1 of those wins
Aaron Rodgers was the QB for 1 of those wins

That is 13 wins in 20 years from guys that are guaranteed 1st ballot HOFers and arguably some of the best to ever play the QB position.

Then you have 4 more SB wins from Ben Roethlisberger and Eli Manning, not exactly trash either. The two outliers are obviously the Nick Foles SB win and my favorite...the Joe Flacco win

There are also several dominant defenses on that list.

So what does that tell you? That in order to win the SB you very likely need a top tier QB or one that's playing like one in the playoffs and a damn good defense.

And the other part is the majority of the HCs on that list known for their offensive playcalling/design needed their defense to come up big to win it all.

Andy Reid - isn't beating us in either game without Chris Jones or Trent McDuffie making key stops
Sean McVay - needed his defense to hold a 3 point lead with Bengals having 2nd and 1 at the Rams 49 yard line
Bruce Arians - we all know he coasted on Tom Brady but his defense held KC to 9 points
Gary Kubiak - Denver won it with their defense, almost outscored the Panthers offense in that game.

You can pretty much go down the list. There are no perfect HCs. They all have flaws in some way. There are some who are very good and find themselves with a QB and/or defenses that are special. Those are the ones who tend to win multiple SBs.

The others? Get into the dance and hope for the best because it's football and you need the ball to bounce your way as much as you need your players to be talented.

I think (in hindsight) they had a flawed defensive scheme going into the playoffs. For the longest time they invested a ton on the defensive line and linebackers and skimped on the defensive backs. It makes sense to lose in the playoffs and super bowls if you have a defective defensive backfield - specially against a strong armed and mobile QB in Patrick. I think its the worst matchup they had was against Patrick. I think they've turned the corner and have invested more day 2 picks on the defensive backfield side (Renardo Green) specifically to counter Patrick. I think there is more than an even chance that Patrick will be there facing us in February. Demeco would probably have made it work against Patrick because he'd have a DJ Jones run stopper on his squad and had more experience running the Pete Carroll coverages. Wilks was too far behind experience-wise to be really effective against Patrick.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
The day after Kyle wins the Superbowl for the 49ers, there will still be someone on this site calling for him to get fired.

I hope he does win one..starting to look embarrassing tbh

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I Experienced all of those five super bowl wins. It's not the same again once the next season starts. I.e. that's old news - in a sense, and the new season is what really counts. I'm still proud of my teams 5 super bowls, don't get me wrong, but there's nothing like winning a Super Bowl, but again the euphoria lasts till the beginning of the next season, and when the next season begins, everybody is basically back at square one - trying to win the *next* Super Bowl. I.e. everybody is *not* a super bowl winner until whoever wins in February is crowned the best. It's that team that wins in February is the team that has the euphoria for a couple of months till the next season begins, and then the grind begins again.

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
The day after Kyle wins the Superbowl for the 49ers, there will still be someone on this site calling for him to get fired.

I hope he does win one..starting to look embarrassing tbh

Lol

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
I don't have a problem with you guys having a lower standard, thats your choice.

My standards for this football team just happen to be much higher, we are not the Lions or Cowboys, we are the SAN FRANCISCO 49ER'S!!!

Agree to disagree

Originally posted by Montana:
You seem touchy some when it comes to Kyle, why so much so? Mike is that you? /j. I don't care about the Cowboys and their sorry ass team that is melting lol.

But yeah, at least we aren't the Lions, Gamble Campbell was dumb as s-it with some of those calls in the Champ Game. So glad we don't have that guy. Acted like a guy at the roulette table trying to pay off dealers. But that was good for us:).

Kyle isn't perfect. I don't expect him to be. Just bring one home man lol.

Since the both of you keep playing the same old narrative I'll quote you both.

This isn't a Kyle situation...then again these days it wouldn't surprise me if some here started blaming him for the loss to the Ravens in 2012 as well. This is an extreme overraction situation.

You don't have to be ok with losing a SB. I'm not ok with it either. However calling what the 49ers have done embarrassing is ridiculous hyperbole. There are levels to this and the 49ers are far on the non embarrassing scale.

It's like you're embarrassed to have a 9 inch dick cuz you get a SB ring at 10 inches. Meanwhile there are 30 guys walking around with tic tacs.

The only narrative being played over and over is by you (and your ilk). Where are we now….seven years running where you guys spin failures, finding faults with players, other coaches, other players, other teams, etc. It's damning that you can't see that throughout the entire process (loss to KC, loss to LA, loss to Philly, loss to KC) all had Kyle Shanahan involved in the botch. Now before you spin this post and focus in on the one respite you have (all our QBs were injured vs Philly), maybe take a step back and figure why is it that we were the better team in ALL of those matchups and came up short ? Besides pointing out isolated fluky plays in each and every game, just imagine if our genius head coach had game planned better. Maybe not set us up for close nail biters that he struggles to finish. Maybe take advantage of the opponent when we have them on the ropes and go for the killer punch, instead of go back into his shell and shy away from our strengths.

Frustrating the lengths you guys go to defend Kyle. It was Jimmy's fault, then it was Tartt's fault, then it was injuries fault, then it was Wilk's fault. Sprinkle in some missed blocks and boom ! See, Shanahan is a genius. It's everyone else that sucks.

Awful

Originally posted by KittleMeThis:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by genus49:
You all are hilarious, and not in a good way.

There are literally franchises who haven't even been in the SB. The Cowboys haven't made the NFCCG in 25+ years. Lions fans were pissing themselves just to win a playoff game. It's not what we want but to pretend this is embarrassing is straight up laughable.

You seem touchy some when it comes to Kyle, why so much so? Mike is that you? /j. I don't care about the Cowboys and their sorry ass team that is melting lol.

But yeah, at least we aren't the Lions, Gamble Campbell was dumb as s-it with some of those calls in the Champ Game. So glad we don't have that guy. Acted like a guy at the roulette table trying to pay off dealers. But that was good for us:).

Kyle isn't perfect. I don't expect him to be. Just bring one home man lol.

Kyle cn't bring one home if the players don't produce in the 4th quarter. In today's game that's often where games are won or lost. The defense can't allow the other team to score in the 4th after playing well for 3 quarters. That's not Kyle. The blocking on offense can't break down in the 4th quarter. That's not on Kyle.

Were there some plays that he could have called differently? Sure but if the players had done their job those plays could have worked. I still say that the freak bounce that caused the muffed punt was the turning point. Until then the Chiefs looked dead in the water. It's easy to second guess but the Niners outplayed the Chiefs for most of the game. In the end it came down to OT.

Kyle can't also control someone tearing their Achilles running onto the field.

It would have been a different ball game had Greenlaw not got hurt.

In that case we don't need Kyle, since he just stands on the sideline and is not responsible for anything.

Is this what you guys are trying to say?

Originally posted by glorydayz:
In that case we don't need Kyle, since he just stands on the sideline and is not responsible for anything.

Is this what you guys are trying to say?

He's the HC he controls EVERYTHING right?

Only delusional blowhards ignore what's right in front of them which is Kyle knows what he's doing on offense but like every other coach he's not perfect and he can be bested and outschemed on a given play/game. Some teams have players who are able to play in a scheme but also make plays outside of it.

That's why Mahomes is so good. If you look at the amount of plays he makes in a game out of scheme the idea of Andy Reid being this brilliant HC is quickly diminished. He's a very good HC, very good playcaller but he got INCREDIBLY lucky that a division rival traded up ahead of him and drafted the guy he wanted to be his QB of the future.

Some things are not in control of a coach. Sometimes what looks like bad luck ends up being good luck.

Kyle does need to improve his odds of winning the SB and if we're judging the trend from 2019 to 2023 it was clearly an improvement.

Frustrating thing is if the 49ers offense played like it did in the 4th quarter of 2023 in 2019 SB they win that one. And if the Chiefs defense played like they did in 2019 SB in 2023, we win that one as well.

Originally posted by genus49:
He's the HC he controls EVERYTHING right?

Only delusional blowhards ignore what's right in front of them which is Kyle knows what he's doing on offense but like every other coach he's not perfect and he can be bested and outschemed on a given play/game. Some teams have players who are able to play in a scheme but also make plays outside of it.

That's why Mahomes is so good. If you look at the amount of plays he makes in a game out of scheme the idea of Andy Reid being this brilliant HC is quickly diminished. He's a very good HC, very good playcaller but he got INCREDIBLY lucky that a division rival traded up ahead of him and drafted the guy he wanted to be his QB of the future.

Some things are not in control of a coach. Sometimes what looks like bad luck ends up being good luck.

Kyle does need to improve his odds of winning the SB and if we're judging the trend from 2019 to 2023 it was clearly an improvement.

Frustrating thing is if the 49ers offense played like it did in the 4th quarter of 2023 in 2019 SB they win that one. And if the Chiefs defense played like they did in 2019 SB in 2023, we win that one as well.

let's not diminish Andy Reid. if he's not hired in KC, KC is not winning any SBs. Spags isn't there and neither is Mahomes. Who do you think hired the guys who landed Mahomes? Brett Veach comes to mind he was a college teammate of Matt Nagy, they both were in Philly with guess who? Surround yourself with good ppl, that's what Reid has done, that's something I believe Kyle has really done also.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by genus49:
Since the both of you keep playing the same old narrative I'll quote you both.

This isn't a Kyle situation...then again these days it wouldn't surprise me if some here started blaming him for the loss to the Ravens in 2012 as well. This is an extreme overraction situation.

You don't have to be ok with losing a SB. I'm not ok with it either. However calling what the 49ers have done embarrassing is ridiculous hyperbole. There are levels to this and the 49ers are far on the non embarrassing scale.

It's like you're embarrassed to have a 9 inch dick cuz you get a SB ring at 10 inches. Meanwhile there are 30 guys walking around with tic tacs.

Your analogy really hits home for me.

Yes very good, now I can go back to work.