49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
He's the HC he controls EVERYTHING right?

Only delusional blowhards ignore what's right in front of them which is Kyle knows what he's doing on offense but like every other coach he's not perfect and he can be bested and outschemed on a given play/game. Some teams have players who are able to play in a scheme but also make plays outside of it.

That's why Mahomes is so good. If you look at the amount of plays he makes in a game out of scheme the idea of Andy Reid being this brilliant HC is quickly diminished. He's a very good HC, very good playcaller but he got INCREDIBLY lucky that a division rival traded up ahead of him and drafted the guy he wanted to be his QB of the future.

Some things are not in control of a coach. Sometimes what looks like bad luck ends up being good luck.

Kyle does need to improve his odds of winning the SB and if we're judging the trend from 2019 to 2023 it was clearly an improvement.

Frustrating thing is if the 49ers offense played like it did in the 4th quarter of 2023 in 2019 SB they win that one. And if the Chiefs defense played like they did in 2019 SB in 2023, we win that one as well.

let's not diminish Andy Reid. if he's not hired in KC, KC is not winning any SBs. Spags isn't there and neither is Mahomes. Who do you think hired the guys who landed Mahomes? Brett Veach comes to mind he was a college teammate of Matt Nagy, they both were in Philly with guess who? Surround yourself with good ppl, that's what Reid has done, that's something I believe Kyle has really done also.

It's not diminishing Andy Reid. It's showing that even very good coaches need a lot to go their way and they need their players to simply make plays in big moments. And sometimes another team saving them from making a mistake that would set the team back.

How many out of script plays has Mahomes made over his playoff career in the years they won the SB? Do you see Chiefs fans putting blame on Andy? No, it comes with winning. You win and nobody takes a microscope to every micro decision you make. You lose and clearly the opposite happens.

Fact is Andy Reid was thought of highly before he won his first SB but he was never talked about the same way as Shanahan and it took a lucky situation to have it all fall into place for them.

You can go down the list and really find HCs who weren't getting it done and finally it all fell into place. You had the Bucs trade a ton to get Jon Gruden in there and he wins first year there. Tony Dungy who kept failing with the majority of that roster goes to Indy and fails to get it done until his 11th season as a HC and to even get that they needed Baltimore to choke in a game Indy failed to score a TD in then needed Reche Caldwell to drop two passes in order to mount their comeback vs the Pats in the AFCCG to face a Rex Grossman led team in the SB.

You need a lot to go your way. It's not easy to win it all in this league, even for the really good HCs.

That hasn't happened to Kyle yet but if we believe Brock is the guy most of us believe him to be then there is no reason why they can't win a SB together considering we could change the outcome of like 7 plays in this last SB and they already have 1 SB win.

Originally posted by Montana:
Tic Tacs have a weird aftertaste though.

Lol I am glad we narrowed things down to d--k sizes, so that I could fully understand the point.

I was saying that it is starting to look embarrassing how we lose in the SBs, we are the better team, have everything to win the game, then yeah, choke. If you don't think the 2020 SB was a muck up, idk what to tell ya.

Remember this? Lol

John Lynch, like the rest of us, thinks Kyle Shanahan should've used a timeout.pic.twitter.com/IyHBj0a3Fr

— Ari Meirov (@MySportsUpdate) February 3, 2020

I am not blaming Kyle for everything but he has his faults. He is a great coach, when he is good, he is really damn good. But yeah, he messes up. Idk what the big deal is with saying that lol.

Go ahead and say he messes up. Every HC does. My issue is with people acting like the guy is a choker and can't ever win one. That's a ridiculous statement with nothing behind it.

Yes the loss in 2019 bothered me a lot more than this one in regards to Kyle's strategy and playcalling. However saying we had the better roster is completely overblown especially in a league where QB is king. You have Patrick Mahomes vs Jimmy Garoppolo and you seriously want to sit there and say we had the better roster?

Yes, Kyle should've done what he did most of that playoff run - take the ball away from Jimmy as much as possible. Sometimes he sees Xs and Os too much to simply coach to the moment.

Having said that the film speaks for itself. The plays were there to be made even by throwing the ball. They weren't made because Jimmy either made the wrong read, made a poor throw or Chris Jones ruined the play by simply making a play.

This is my problem claiming that Kyle is a choker. We don't know what would happen if we ran the ball. I'm sure none of us expected CMC to fumble on the first drive but it happens. What we do know is had Jimmy made the plays that were there to be made or Chris Jones didn't get his hand in the way that we're able to not only sustain those drives in the 4th quarter but we're able to put more points on the board and in turn win the game.

There is also the ref factor in both games but it was a lot more costly in the 2019 matchup. Missing the roughing on Garoppolo's hit was absolutely ridiculous since it would've kept us on the field and the clock moving.

So yes he made mistakes. He should've ran it and him asking Jimmy to throw in the 4th contradicts his fear of having Jimmy throw before halftime. But even with that playcalling the plays were there to make. Just like they were in this last SB.

Chiefs big players made big plays in the end. Ours unfortunately came up short. Simple as that but as a result Andy Reid is a great HC with a dynasty franchise and we've got people calling Shanahan a choke artist who can never win the big one.

Originally posted by Chance:
Because that's not what's happening. Everyone here "defending" Kyle is just speaking truth to hyperbole. No one is saying Kyle is without fault, it's just the level of blame is absurd, especially when one considers the myriad plays where the players didn't do their job, or some fluke s**t happened. We didn't lose the SB because of our HC and its some smooth brain lazy thinking to force that puzzle piece in place.

BINGO!

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
If dicks tasted like orange flavor tic tacs blowjobs would be up 50,000%

Tic Tacs have a weird aftertaste though.

Originally posted by genus49:
Since the both of you keep playing the same old narrative I'll quote you both.

This isn't a Kyle situation...then again these days it wouldn't surprise me if some here started blaming him for the loss to the Ravens in 2012 as well. This is an extreme overraction situation.

You don't have to be ok with losing a SB. I'm not ok with it either. However calling what the 49ers have done embarrassing is ridiculous hyperbole. There are levels to this and the 49ers are far on the non embarrassing scale.

It's like you're embarrassed to have a 9 inch dick cuz you get a SB ring at 10 inches. Meanwhile there are 30 guys walking around with tic tacs.

Lol I am glad we narrowed things down to d--k sizes, so that I could fully understand the point.

I was saying that it is starting to look embarrassing how we lose in the SBs, we are the better team, have everything to win the game, then yeah, choke. If you don't think the 2020 SB was a muck up, idk what to tell ya.

Remember this? Lol

John Lynch, like the rest of us, thinks Kyle Shanahan should've used a timeout.pic.twitter.com/IyHBj0a3Fr

— Ari Meirov (@MySportsUpdate) February 3, 2020

I am not blaming Kyle for everything but he has his faults. He is a great coach, when he is good, he is really damn good. But yeah, he messes up. Idk what the big deal is with saying that lol.

Because that's not what's happening. Everyone here "defending" Kyle is just speaking truth to hyperbole. No one is saying Kyle is without fault, it's just the level of blame is absurd, especially when one considers the myriad plays where the players didn't do their job, or some fluke s**t happened. We didn't lose the SB because of our HC and its some smooth brain lazy thinking to force that puzzle piece in place.

Sorry no. Unfiltered facts lead to truth. 0-3. Fact. Blew 3 of the largest superbowl leads. Fact. 12 points total in the 4th of 3 sb. Fact.

If statements are not facts. That is speculation. If we played flawless we would have won. Speculation. If the punt … if no fumble… and so on. Kyle is the leader. He calls the plays. He is responsible.

lol dude claims unfiltered facts and then gives a loss to the OC.

Clown behavior

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
If dicks tasted like orange flavor tic tacs blowjobs would be up 50,000%

Tic Tacs have a weird aftertaste though.

Originally posted by genus49:
Since the both of you keep playing the same old narrative I'll quote you both.

This isn't a Kyle situation...then again these days it wouldn't surprise me if some here started blaming him for the loss to the Ravens in 2012 as well. This is an extreme overraction situation.

You don't have to be ok with losing a SB. I'm not ok with it either. However calling what the 49ers have done embarrassing is ridiculous hyperbole. There are levels to this and the 49ers are far on the non embarrassing scale.

It's like you're embarrassed to have a 9 inch dick cuz you get a SB ring at 10 inches. Meanwhile there are 30 guys walking around with tic tacs.

Lol I am glad we narrowed things down to d--k sizes, so that I could fully understand the point.

I was saying that it is starting to look embarrassing how we lose in the SBs, we are the better team, have everything to win the game, then yeah, choke. If you don't think the 2020 SB was a muck up, idk what to tell ya.

Remember this? Lol

John Lynch, like the rest of us, thinks Kyle Shanahan should've used a timeout.pic.twitter.com/IyHBj0a3Fr

— Ari Meirov (@MySportsUpdate) February 3, 2020

I am not blaming Kyle for everything but he has his faults. He is a great coach, when he is good, he is really damn good. But yeah, he messes up. Idk what the big deal is with saying that lol.

Because that's not what's happening. Everyone here "defending" Kyle is just speaking truth to hyperbole. No one is saying Kyle is without fault, it's just the level of blame is absurd, especially when one considers the myriad plays where the players didn't do their job, or some fluke s**t happened. We didn't lose the SB because of our HC and its some smooth brain lazy thinking to force that puzzle piece in place.

Sorry no. Unfiltered facts lead to truth. 0-3. Fact. Blew 3 of the largest superbowl leads. Fact. 12 points total in the 4th of 3 sb. Fact.

If statements are not facts. That is speculation. If we played flawless we would have won. Speculation. If the punt … if no fumble… and so on. Kyle is the leader. He calls the plays. He is responsible.

lol dude claims unfiltered facts and then gives a loss to the OC.

Clown behavior

Clown behavior is ignoring the oc s**tting the bed with horrific plays in the second half that ended up costing ATL the game. Do your research before calling people clowns. Plenary of material out there that actually makes you the clown.

@ genus

Oh, Kyle can definitely win one and I hope he does. I don't believe in the doom and gloom of some others lol. He has, in a sense, choked but doesn't mean he can't ever win one. Just needs to fine tune and he will get one, I hope lol. I am excited about the relationship between him and Brock. Yeah, that CMC fumble was ridiculous. Especially, after he grilled himself and called himself an idiot, for a fumble he had earlier on in the season. Of course, I don't expect him to be perfect but I have no idea why he didn't protect the ball better. Who forgets to do that in a Superbowl? Lol.

Originally posted by genus49:
It's not diminishing Andy Reid. It's showing that even very good coaches need a lot to go their way and they need their players to simply make plays in big moments. And sometimes another team saving them from making a mistake that would set the team back.

How many out of script plays has Mahomes made over his playoff career in the years they won the SB? Do you see Chiefs fans putting blame on Andy? No, it comes with winning. You win and nobody takes a microscope to every micro decision you make. You lose and clearly the opposite happens.

Fact is Andy Reid was thought of highly before he won his first SB but he was never talked about the same way as Shanahan and it took a lucky situation to have it all fall into place for them.

You can go down the list and really find HCs who weren't getting it done and finally it all fell into place. You had the Bucs trade a ton to get Jon Gruden in there and he wins first year there. Tony Dungy who kept failing with the majority of that roster goes to Indy and fails to get it done until his 11th season as a HC and to even get that they needed Baltimore to choke in a game Indy failed to score a TD in then needed Reche Caldwell to drop two passes in order to mount their comeback vs the Pats in the AFCCG to face a Rex Grossman led team in the SB.

You need a lot to go your way. It's not easy to win it all in this league, even for the really good HCs.

That hasn't happened to Kyle yet but if we believe Brock is the guy most of us believe him to be then there is no reason why they can't win a SB together considering we could change the outcome of like 7 plays in this last SB and they already have 1 SB win.

at the end of the day you are your record. does luck go into landing great players?, or certain plays?, sure. the you are your record quote, means over 100s of games the luck evens out a bit, unless you believe this guy is blessed by the gods . Reid's record is HOF first ballot. Shanny has a good season and postseason record and a rough SB record. that's reality as of now. one major difference we can point to is Reid moved up and got his legend QB, we moved up and got nonfunctional Mcgee.

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
If dicks tasted like orange flavor tic tacs blowjobs would be up 50,000%

Tic Tacs have a weird aftertaste though.

Originally posted by genus49:
Since the both of you keep playing the same old narrative I'll quote you both.

This isn't a Kyle situation...then again these days it wouldn't surprise me if some here started blaming him for the loss to the Ravens in 2012 as well. This is an extreme overraction situation.

You don't have to be ok with losing a SB. I'm not ok with it either. However calling what the 49ers have done embarrassing is ridiculous hyperbole. There are levels to this and the 49ers are far on the non embarrassing scale.

It's like you're embarrassed to have a 9 inch dick cuz you get a SB ring at 10 inches. Meanwhile there are 30 guys walking around with tic tacs.

Lol I am glad we narrowed things down to d--k sizes, so that I could fully understand the point.

I was saying that it is starting to look embarrassing how we lose in the SBs, we are the better team, have everything to win the game, then yeah, choke. If you don't think the 2020 SB was a muck up, idk what to tell ya.

Remember this? Lol

John Lynch, like the rest of us, thinks Kyle Shanahan should've used a timeout.pic.twitter.com/IyHBj0a3Fr

— Ari Meirov (@MySportsUpdate) February 3, 2020

I am not blaming Kyle for everything but he has his faults. He is a great coach, when he is good, he is really damn good. But yeah, he messes up. Idk what the big deal is with saying that lol.

Because that's not what's happening. Everyone here "defending" Kyle is just speaking truth to hyperbole. No one is saying Kyle is without fault, it's just the level of blame is absurd, especially when one considers the myriad plays where the players didn't do their job, or some fluke s**t happened. We didn't lose the SB because of our HC and its some smooth brain lazy thinking to force that puzzle piece in place.

Sorry no. Unfiltered facts lead to truth. 0-3. Fact. Blew 3 of the largest superbowl leads. Fact. 12 points total in the 4th of 3 sb. Fact.

If statements are not facts. That is speculation. If we played flawless we would have won. Speculation. If the punt … if no fumble… and so on. Kyle is the leader. He calls the plays. He is responsible.

lol dude claims unfiltered facts and then gives a loss to the OC.

Clown behavior

Clown behavior is ignoring the oc s**tting the bed with horrific plays in the second half that ended up costing ATL the game. Do your research before calling people clowns. Plenary of material out there that actually makes you the clown.

Whatever you say Chuckles.

Did you blame Saleh in 2019?
Did you blame Wilks this one?

A 28-3 lead doesn't evaporate because of the OC.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
It's not diminishing Andy Reid. It's showing that even very good coaches need a lot to go their way and they need their players to simply make plays in big moments. And sometimes another team saving them from making a mistake that would set the team back.

How many out of script plays has Mahomes made over his playoff career in the years they won the SB? Do you see Chiefs fans putting blame on Andy? No, it comes with winning. You win and nobody takes a microscope to every micro decision you make. You lose and clearly the opposite happens.

Fact is Andy Reid was thought of highly before he won his first SB but he was never talked about the same way as Shanahan and it took a lucky situation to have it all fall into place for them.

You can go down the list and really find HCs who weren't getting it done and finally it all fell into place. You had the Bucs trade a ton to get Jon Gruden in there and he wins first year there. Tony Dungy who kept failing with the majority of that roster goes to Indy and fails to get it done until his 11th season as a HC and to even get that they needed Baltimore to choke in a game Indy failed to score a TD in then needed Reche Caldwell to drop two passes in order to mount their comeback vs the Pats in the AFCCG to face a Rex Grossman led team in the SB.

You need a lot to go your way. It's not easy to win it all in this league, even for the really good HCs.

That hasn't happened to Kyle yet but if we believe Brock is the guy most of us believe him to be then there is no reason why they can't win a SB together considering we could change the outcome of like 7 plays in this last SB and they already have 1 SB win.

at the end of the day you are your record. does luck go into landing great players?, or certain plays?, sure. the you are your record quote, means over 100s of games the luck evens out a bit, unless you believe this guy is blessed by the gods . Reid's record is HOF first ballot. Shanny has a good season and postseason record and a rough SB record. that's reality as of now. one major difference we can point to is Reid moved up and got his legend QB, we moved up and got nonfunctional Mcgee.

Reid moved up his guy the year after his guy was Paxton Lynch. That goes into it. Had the 49ers not had the crazy injury season in 2020 they don't make the move up and who knows how it all goes down. Maybe they end up getting Brock anyways but with better talent in place.

What we do know is had Denver not moved up to take Lynch then Andy doesn't have Mahomes or Chris Jones. Two of their biggest pieces on each side of the ball.

Do I have concerns about Kyle's QB evaluations after the move for Trey? Yup. Just hoping it's nothing we have to see on display for a long long time.

But we all know Andy's story. Hopefully Kyle's is not one where he needs to go to another team to get it done.

I really do think Kyle is at least TRYING to learn from mistakes that have our season ended. It may not always work out as expected - Lance, TDP picks. But some people act like he's got his head in the sand and refusing to accept his errors. It's just finding the right balance and having it all fall into place.

If we saw a repeat of 2019 then I'd understand people bashing him a lot more.

Originally posted by Montana:
@ genus

Oh, Kyle can definitely win one and I hope he does. I don't believe in the doom and gloom of some others lol. He has, in a sense, choked but doesn't mean he can't ever win one. Just needs to fine tune and he will get one, I hope lol. I am excited about the relationship between him and Brock. Yeah, that CMC fumble was ridiculous. Especially, after he grilled himself and called himself an idiot, for a fumble he had earlier on in the season. Of course, I don't expect him to be perfect but I have no idea why he didn't protect the ball better. Who forgets to do that in a Superbowl? Lol.

I agree, he needs to realize that as smart as he is with his playcalling and using things to set things up...sometimes it may make more sense to just ignore the defensive looks and just try to impose your will on the other team. If it doesn't work at least you know the other team wanted it more.

Although I think the above applies more to the 2019 game vs this last one. I've mentioned my issues with Kyle from that game but I felt he did a pretty solid job overall and our guys just didn't make enough plays or made more mistakes than KC. I'm also confident in Brock moving forward that the few mistakes he made, he will learn from and next time he's going to deliver.

Originally posted by genus49:
Reid moved up his guy the year after his guy was Paxton Lynch. That goes into it. Had the 49ers not had the crazy injury season in 2020 they don't make the move up and who knows how it all goes down. Maybe they end up getting Brock anyways but with better talent in place.

What we do know is had Denver not moved up to take Lynch then Andy doesn't have Mahomes or Chris Jones. Two of their biggest pieces on each side of the ball.

Do I have concerns about Kyle's QB evaluations after the move for Trey? Yup. Just hoping it's nothing we have to see on display for a long long time.

But we all know Andy's story. Hopefully Kyle's is not one where he needs to go to another team to get it done.

I really do think Kyle is at least TRYING to learn from mistakes that have our season ended. It may not always work out as expected - Lance, TDP picks. But some people act like he's got his head in the sand and refusing to accept his errors. It's just finding the right balance and having it all fall into place.

If we saw a repeat of 2019 then I'd understand people bashing him a lot more.

too much ifs and buts, i'm not gonna pretend Reid made moves he didn't and knock him for it.

How is it not a repeat of 19?

that's my 2 prong Kyle had a bad SB thesis, the O struggled and he had years to come up with something vs Spags, he didn't come up with anything other than a good trick play. and 2nd prong, Andy had his guys ready for OT and Kyle didn't. I can much easier say okay SB 54 was a learning experience. SB 51 being in a SB OT should have been a learning experience also. SB 58 having faced KC before, having already been in the only SB OT, he should have been more ready for both.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
at the end of the day you are your record. does luck go into landing great players?, or certain plays?, sure. the you are your record quote, means over 100s of games the luck evens out a bit, unless you believe this guy is blessed by the gods . Reid's record is HOF first ballot. Shanny has a good season and postseason record and a rough SB record. that's reality as of now. one major difference we can point to is Reid moved up and got his legend QB, we moved up and got nonfunctional Mcgee.

Then got a Bellicheck level gift from football Gods to replace McGee and Mediocre McPretty.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
too much ifs and buts, i'm not gonna pretend Reid made moves he didn't and knock him for it.

How is it not a repeat of 19?

that's my 2 prong Kyle had a bad SB thesis, the O struggled and he had years to come up with something vs Spags, he didn't come up with anything other than a good trick play. and 2nd prong, Andy had his guys ready for OT and Kyle didn't. I can much easier say okay SB 54 was a learning experience. SB 51 being in a SB OT should have been a learning experience also. SB 58 having faced KC before, having already been in the only SB OT, he should have been more ready for both.

Walsh had plenty of time to come up with plans vs Bellicheck and often failed. Not some easy thing to do.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Walsh had plenty of time to come up with plans vs Bellicheck and often failed. Not some easy thing to do.

Belichick is a great coach, and they would take turns getting the best of one another. I think Kyle is 0-4 vs KC. I think a positive is we do see Kyle beating great coaches. For instance Kyle had some ownage vs McVay, who I regard as a great coach. Kyle also would do his thing vs Pete. Spags.. Kyle has problems with him, like Schwartz. what was discouraging is you would hope round 2 of a SB there would be some growth or improvement. I didn't see it.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Belichick is a great coach, and they would take turns getting the best of one another. I think Kyle is 0-4 vs KC. I think a positive is we do see Kyle beating great coaches. For instance Kyle had some ownage vs McVay, who I regard as a great coach. Kyle also would do his thing vs Pete. Spags.. Kyle has problems with him, like Schwartz. what was discouraging is you would hope round 2 of a SB there would be some growth or improvement. I didn't see it.

The new KC D was a lot more talented than the previous. Much harder to do well against. Had we had Brock the first time around it's a 30 point game.

I wanna see Kyle with Brock against them consistently vs what he could do with average qb play vs them.