49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
The new KC D was a lot more talented than the previous. Much harder to do well against. Had we had Brock the first time around it's a 30 point game.

I wanna see Kyle with Brock against them consistently vs what he could do with average qb play vs them.

I find the KC D argument flat. Sure they are improved, yet is our O not improved? we didn't have Trent, BA, CMC, Brock in 19. Those are not bad players. It's a wash more or less..

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
Clown behavior is ignoring the oc s**tting the bed with horrific plays in the second half that ended up costing ATL the game. Do your research before calling people clowns. Plenary of material out there that actually makes you the clown.

So wait the OC and not the HC was the problem in ATL, but here it's clearly just the HC and not any of the other coaches? Talk about hypocritical nonsense.

did Kyle call the defensive plays in the SB too? Did he allow over 500 yards of offense and not give the offense a chance in OT? If you told me an offense would get 28pts in a SB id say their odds of winning are high.

Acting like a clown is making blatant statements like it's one play callers fault for losing a game. Like there's no nuance allowed. No one can discuss the ins and outs of a game & see there was a ton of s**t that went wrong besides Kyle not running the ball enough in the second half or whatever you're trying to put all the blame on him for.

You can't call out folks saying "do your research" when you yourself clearly didn't.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Belichick is a great coach, and they would take turns getting the best of one another. I think Kyle is 0-4 vs KC. I think a positive is we do see Kyle beating great coaches. For instance Kyle had some ownage vs McVay, who I regard as a great coach. Kyle also would do his thing vs Pete. Spags.. Kyle has problems with him, like Schwartz. what was discouraging is you would hope round 2 of a SB there would be some growth or improvement. I didn't see it.

IMO Kyle is gonna have to give the QB a little more control of protections and being able to change up stuff pre-snap. I know he gives the QB two calls and he can "can" one, plus there's some built in hot reads based off reads. I just think if you're gonna pay your QB $200M, he's gonna need to have more control. He's gotta trust him

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Belichick is a great coach, and they would take turns getting the best of one another. I think Kyle is 0-4 vs KC. I think a positive is we do see Kyle beating great coaches. For instance Kyle had some ownage vs McVay, who I regard as a great coach. Kyle also would do his thing vs Pete. Spags.. Kyle has problems with him, like Schwartz. what was discouraging is you would hope round 2 of a SB there would be some growth or improvement. I didn't see it.

IMO Kyle is gonna have to give the QB a little more control of protections and being able to change up stuff pre-snap. I know he gives the QB two calls and he can "can" one, plus there's some built in hot reads based off reads. I just think if you're gonna pay your QB $200M, he's gonna need to have more control. He's gotta trust him

i agree totally

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
The new KC D was a lot more talented than the previous. Much harder to do well against. Had we had Brock the first time around it's a 30 point game.

I wanna see Kyle with Brock against them consistently vs what he could do with average qb play vs them.

I find the KC D argument flat. Sure they are improved, yet is our O not improved? we didn't have Trent, BA, CMC, Brock in 19. Those are not bad players. It's a wash more or less..

Very much so.

Purdy, Aiyuk and CMC we're BIG upgrades over what we had previously.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I find the KC D argument flat. Sure they are improved, yet is our O not improved? we didn't have Trent, BA, CMC, Brock in 19. Those are not bad players. It's a wash more or less..

Sure. It's why the game was such a coinflip. Elite O vs Elite D.

What's irrelevent is a previous record without those guys and average qb play.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
IMO Kyle is gonna have to give the QB a little more control of protections and being able to change up stuff pre-snap. I know he gives the QB two calls and he can "can" one, plus there's some built in hot reads based off reads. I just think if you're gonna pay your QB $200M, he's gonna need to have more control. He's gotta trust him

No doubt. Why it's nice to finally have a guy worthy of that trust.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
IMO Kyle is gonna have to give the QB a little more control of protections and being able to change up stuff pre-snap. I know he gives the QB two calls and he can "can" one, plus there's some built in hot reads based off reads. I just think if you're gonna pay your QB $200M, he's gonna need to have more control. He's gotta trust him

No doubt. Why it's nice to finally have a guy worthy of that trust.

All of the above

Originally posted by Sickaa:
Very much so.

Purdy, Aiyuk and CMC we're BIG upgrades over what we had previously.

And you expect your best players to show up in the biggest moments. I'd say they all kinda fell flat that game.

All 3 dudes want to (or already are) one of the highest paid players at their position…well show up in the biggest moments. Same with Kittle, dude has been a ghost the last two SBs.

IMO a coach can only do so much. You need those guys to show up. The players matter.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
IMO Kyle is gonna have to give the QB a little more control of protections and being able to change up stuff pre-snap. I know he gives the QB two calls and he can "can" one, plus there's some built in hot reads based off reads. I just think if you're gonna pay your QB $200M, he's gonna need to have more control. He's gotta trust him

No doubt. Why it's nice to finally have a guy worthy of that trust.

Well I hope it actually happens.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And you expect your best players to show up in the biggest moments. I'd say they all kinda fell flat that game.

All 3 dudes want to (or already are) one of the highest paid players at their position…well show up in the biggest moments. Same with Kittle, dude has been a ghost the last two SBs.

IMO a coach can only do so much. You need those guys to show up. The players matter.

CMC averaged 3 yards a carry and had a critical fumble. Had a nice day receiving.

Aiyuk had next to zero impact. Not all his fault.

Brock played decently.

Huge upgrades over the course of the season. Nobody played that way in the biggest moment, though they were facing a significantly better defense than what the Chiefs presented in '19.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And you expect your best players to show up in the biggest moments. I'd say they all kinda fell flat that game.

All 3 dudes want to (or already are) one of the highest paid players at their position…well show up in the biggest moments. Same with Kittle, dude has been a ghost the last two SBs.

IMO a coach can only do so much. You need those guys to show up. The players matter.

CMC averaged 3 yards a carry and had a critical fumble. Had a nice day receiving.

Aiyuk had next to zero impact. Not all his fault.

Brock played decently.

Huge upgrades over the course of the season. Nobody played that way in the biggest moment, though they were facing a significantly better defense than what the Chiefs presented in '19.

It's not like the Chiefs had much success running the ball either tbf other than a few scrambles from Mahomes.

The Chiefs also had a critical fumble, much like the 9ers.

It sucks to admit, but we we're In prime position to win both super bowls against the Chiefs and then.........

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
IMO Kyle is gonna have to give the QB a little more control of protections and being able to change up stuff pre-snap. I know he gives the QB two calls and he can "can" one, plus there's some built in hot reads based off reads. I just think if you're gonna pay your QB $200M, he's gonna need to have more control. He's gotta trust him

No doubt. Why it's nice to finally have a guy worthy of that trust.

Well I hope it actually happens.

Sounding like the free jimmy crowd now

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
IMO Kyle is gonna have to give the QB a little more control of protections and being able to change up stuff pre-snap. I know he gives the QB two calls and he can "can" one, plus there's some built in hot reads based off reads. I just think if you're gonna pay your QB $200M, he's gonna need to have more control. He's gotta trust him

No doubt. Why it's nice to finally have a guy worthy of that trust.

All of the above

I believe it would solve a lot of problems in key times in important games. When he let's his QB find his own way in games even Jimmy does well. Remember his first 5 games at the end of the season. When he came in for tray after his injury. Kyle needs to let Brock find his way in the play that's called. Make adjustments at the LOS, let's hope this happens. We may win one.

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
IMO Kyle is gonna have to give the QB a little more control of protections and being able to change up stuff pre-snap. I know he gives the QB two calls and he can "can" one, plus there's some built in hot reads based off reads. I just think if you're gonna pay your QB $200M, he's gonna need to have more control. He's gotta trust him

No doubt. Why it's nice to finally have a guy worthy of that trust.

All of the above

I believe it would solve a lot of problems in key times in important games. When he lets his QB find his own way in games even Jimmy does well. Remember his first 5 games at the end of the season. When he came in for tray after his injury. Kyle needs to let Brock find his way in the play that's called. Make adjustments at the LOS, let's hope this happens. We may win one.

No adjustment can be called to cover a bad/missed/fluke play.