49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Sounding like the free jimmy crowd now

Difference is Brock consistent play and aptitude lend itself to the idea he could handle it. Jimmy didn't show that level of consistency or mental aptitude ever.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Sounding like the free jimmy crowd now

Difference is Brock consistent play and aptitude lend itself to the idea he could handle it. Jimmy didn't show that level of consistency or mental aptitude ever.

Brock is still 1.5 seasons in his career. thinking he can do what Brady and Manning did on their down side of their careers. Let's calm down on the coach is already holding him back talk lol

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Sounding like the free jimmy crowd now

Difference is Brock consistent play and aptitude lend itself to the idea he could handle it. Jimmy didn't show that level of consistency or mental aptitude ever.

Exactly that's why Kyle can trust Brock more and give him more audible choices. He is much smarter football wise than Jimmy or anyone else he's coached with the Niners.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
No adjustment can be called to cover a bad/missed/fluke play.

Sure but the guy calling the protections dictates where they're protecting and who's picking up the blitzes. It wasn't just one f**k up from a backup RG in the SB.

Hey, if don't think the QB should have control of the LOS, that's fine. I think the guy who's gonna be making $200M should have a little more control. It's not blaming so and so…it's allowing the most important player getting things where the need to be. All the great QBs had that.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Brock is still 1.5 seasons in his career. thinking he can do what Brady and Manning did on their down side of their careers. Let's calm down on the coach is already holding him back talk lol

manning was controlling the LOS forever, not just in his downside of his career. Same with Brees and Brady.

all folks are saying is hey maybe it makes more sense for the QB that can see the whole field vs the center to call the protections. You're acting like it's some slap in the face to Kyle. It's not….s**t needs to evolve though.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
No adjustment can be called to cover a bad/missed/fluke play.

Sure but the guy calling the protections dictates where they're protecting and who's picking up the blitzes. It wasn't just one f**k up from a backup RG in the SB.

Hey, if don't think the QB should have control of the LOS, that's fine. I think the guy who's gonna be making $200M should have a little more control. It's not blaming so and so…it's allowing the most important player getting things where the need to be. All the great QBs had that.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
No adjustment can be called to cover a bad/missed/fluke play.

Sure but the guy calling the protections dictates where they're protecting and who's picking up the blitzes. It wasn't just one f**k up from a backup RG in the SB.

Hey, if don't think the QB should have control of the LOS, that's fine. I think the guy who's gonna be making $200M should have a little more control. It's not blaming so and so…it's allowing the most important player getting things where the need to be. All the great QBs had that.

who said he shouldn't have control? I'm saying it's a little premature to act like Brock is Brady/Brees/Manning right now to demand more control

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Brock is still 1.5 seasons in his career. thinking he can do what Brady and Manning did on their down side of their careers. Let's calm down on the coach is already holding him back talk lol

manning was controlling the LOS forever, not just in his downside of his career. Same with Brees and Brady.

all folks are saying is hey maybe it makes more sense for the QB that can see the whole field vs the center to call the protections. You're acting like it's some slap in the face to Kyle. It's not….s**t needs to evolve though.

Brady and Brees didn't have full control at 1.5 seasons in now c'mon

It's a slap in the face of any knowledgeable football fan that thinking all QBs can do it. The fact is, is not all QB can, especially at 1.5 seasons in.

Let Brock develop, we don't need to rush it

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Brock is still 1.5 seasons in his career. thinking he can do what Brady and Manning did on their down side of their careers. Let's calm down on the coach is already holding him back talk lol

manning was controlling the LOS forever, not just in his downside of his career. Same with Brees and Brady.

all folks are saying is hey maybe it makes more sense for the QB that can see the whole field vs the center to call the protections. You're acting like it's some slap in the face to Kyle. It's not….s**t needs to evolve though.

Brady and Brees didn't have full control at 1.5 seasons in now c'mon

It's a slap in the face of any knowledgeable football fan that thinking all QBs can do it. The fact is, is not all QB can, especially at 1.5 seasons in.

Let Brock develop, we don't need to rush it

The only QBs who did from the start in recent memory was Manning and Luck. I want to say possibly Matt Ryan as well.

Even then the C is mostly responsible for it. Jeff Saturday was doing most of the calls for Manning. Manning was assigning the hot routes, audibles, calling out the MIKE at times, and if he thought the blitz would be coming hard from a certain side (which Jeff also did as well)

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Brock is still 1.5 seasons in his career. thinking he can do what Brady and Manning did on their down side of their careers. Let's calm down on the coach is already holding him back talk lol

manning was controlling the LOS forever, not just in his downside of his career. Same with Brees and Brady.

all folks are saying is hey maybe it makes more sense for the QB that can see the whole field vs the center to call the protections. You're acting like it's some slap in the face to Kyle. It's not….s**t needs to evolve though.

Brady and Brees didn't have full control at 1.5 seasons in now c'mon

It's a slap in the face of any knowledgeable football fan that thinking all QBs can do it. The fact is, is not all QB can, especially at 1.5 seasons in.

Let Brock develop, we don't need to rush it

Agree, and there's also the fact that Montana didn't win a Superbowl till his third season.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
No adjustment can be called to cover a bad/missed/fluke play.

Sure but the guy calling the protections dictates where they're protecting and who's picking up the blitzes. It wasn't just one f**k up from a backup RG in the SB.

Hey, if don't think the QB should have control of the LOS, that's fine. I think the guy who's gonna be making $200M should have a little more control. It's not blaming so and so…it's allowing the most important player getting things where the need to be. All the great QBs had that.

Brady explained that identifying and making those calls pre snap really helps determine where you should look to go with the ball and know what to do ahead of time. Aka what to do with the play.

its more than just calling protection calls - its getting out of a play that you think feeds right into the defense, putting your skill guys into position to succeed etc.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
too much ifs and buts, i'm not gonna pretend Reid made moves he didn't and knock him for it.

How is it not a repeat of 19?

that's my 2 prong Kyle had a bad SB thesis, the O struggled and he had years to come up with something vs Spags, he didn't come up with anything other than a good trick play. and 2nd prong, Andy had his guys ready for OT and Kyle didn't. I can much easier say okay SB 54 was a learning experience. SB 51 being in a SB OT should have been a learning experience also. SB 58 having faced KC before, having already been in the only SB OT, he should have been more ready for both.

You struggle to understand the simple fact that there were numerous plays in that game or injuries that had absolutely nothing to do with Kyle as a coach which if one is changed the 49ers win the game.

2019 was a completely different game both in which team had the better offense and defense and how the 4th quarter unfolded.

The 49ers offense took the lead every time they were on the field in the 4th quarter this SB. You see no difference to the disaster we saw in the 4th quarter in 2019?

You make a ridiculous statement like Kyle should've learned his lesson after seeing OT with Atlanta…after b***hing about him not being prepared for the rule change. Guess what rule wasn't around with Atlanta? Think Atlanta was happy to kick the ball off to the Pats in that one? Maybe Kyle did learn from it and in turn made a decision you disagree with.

Pick a side.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
The new KC D was a lot more talented than the previous. Much harder to do well against. Had we had Brock the first time around it's a 30 point game.

I wanna see Kyle with Brock against them consistently vs what he could do with average qb play vs them.

I find the KC D argument flat. Sure they are improved, yet is our O not improved? we didn't have Trent, BA, CMC, Brock in 19. Those are not bad players. It's a wash more or less..

Very much so.

Purdy, Aiyuk and CMC we're BIG upgrades over what we had previously.

And KC had a lot of upgrades of their own. Especially on defense. We also had a weaker OL in the game whether due to injury or just talent.

Trent Williams had arguably one of his worst games while being healthy. Killed a drive all on his own in the first quarter.

CMC was great but had a critical fumble costing us points.

Purdy played well overall vs a tough opponent and lots of pass pro issues but failed to make the right read on a critical post 2 min conversion 3rd down that likely secures the win.

Most talented teams don't always win. I don't know how many times it has to be brought up that a Bill Belichick coached no loss Pats team with Tom Brady at his best lost to a less talented defense coached by the same guy we lost to.

It happens.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
No adjustment can be called to cover a bad/missed/fluke play.

Sure but the guy calling the protections dictates where they're protecting and who's picking up the blitzes. It wasn't just one f**k up from a backup RG in the SB.

Hey, if don't think the QB should have control of the LOS, that's fine. I think the guy who's gonna be making $200M should have a little more control. It's not blaming so and so…it's allowing the most important player getting things where the need to be. All the great QBs had that.

who said he shouldn't have control? I'm saying it's a little premature to act like Brock is Brady/Brees/Manning right now to demand more control

Go listen to Brady talk about having that control
on Colin Cowterd's show.

Brock isn't on that level but he's clearly shown he knows what he's doing more times than not. And even those guys weren't perfect on their reads.

But having that ability granted to Brock would make us better for the most part. Brock has shown that level of intelligence.

the whole team should learn the Heimlich Maneuver, should be a must in Training Camp.