49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Brady and Brees didn't have full control at 1.5 seasons in now c'mon

It's a slap in the face of any knowledgeable football fan that thinking all QBs can do it. The fact is, is not all QB can, especially at 1.5 seasons in.

Let Brock develop, we don't need to rush it

What are you talking about? They were absolutely calling protections. Not the center. That's the point.

freaking Lance was calling all the protections at NDSU. It's not some thing you can only learn after being in the league for 10yrs.

im not saying Brock should walk up to the line an change the play completely every down based on what he sees. I'm saying the QB SHOULD be able to change the projection at bare minimum. NOT the freaking center who can't see the whole field like a QB can.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Brady explained that identifying and making those calls pre snap really helps determine where you should look to go with the ball and know what to do ahead of time. Aka what to do with the play.

its more than just calling protection calls - its getting out of a play that you think feeds right into the defense, putting your skill guys into position to succeed etc.

Bingo

Anyone arguing a QB shouldn't have some control at the LOS or a min be allowed to call protection changes vs the center is being silly. It's also s**tting on the QBs mental ability. This isn't pop warner…it's the NFL, these guys have been playing the position for a long time.

I'm not expecting any young QB like Brock to be Brady/manning/brees and basically be the offensive coordinator on the field yet. They SHOULD be able to make proper protection calls and understand coverages to take advantage of what they're seeing. I'm not saying Brock can't do this. I'm saying I want the QB to have that control vs a backup level center.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
The only QBs who did from the start in recent memory was Manning and Luck. I want to say possibly Matt Ryan as well.

Even then the C is mostly responsible for it. Jeff Saturday was doing most of the calls for Manning. Manning was assigning the hot routes, audibles, calling out the MIKE at times, and if he thought the blitz would be coming hard from a certain side (which Jeff also did as well)

Then center should be a priority. Not grabbing a career backup center to start on a Super Bowl roster. They haven't even drafted a legit center prospect to groom and learn.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
The only QBs who did from the start in recent memory was Manning and Luck. I want to say possibly Matt Ryan as well.

Even then the C is mostly responsible for it. Jeff Saturday was doing most of the calls for Manning. Manning was assigning the hot routes, audibles, calling out the MIKE at times, and if he thought the blitz would be coming hard from a certain side (which Jeff also did as well)

Then center should be a priority. Not grabbing a career backup center to start on a Super Bowl roster. They haven't even drafted a legit center prospect to groom and learn.

Yeah I'm very curious about the center position right now. Brendel exceeded expectations in 2022 but we had a major down year almost across the board on the IOL. I think and hope Banks' issue was injury. Brendel I'm not sure about but if he's going to be the guy then he needs to step it up. Lots was made of McKivitz but he may not have been our worst pass protector given the pass rushers each guy had to face.

Need to improve the OL and even then giving Brock more control at the line would be a good idea.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
The only QBs who did from the start in recent memory was Manning and Luck. I want to say possibly Matt Ryan as well.

Even then the C is mostly responsible for it. Jeff Saturday was doing most of the calls for Manning. Manning was assigning the hot routes, audibles, calling out the MIKE at times, and if he thought the blitz would be coming hard from a certain side (which Jeff also did as well)

Then center should be a priority. Not grabbing a career backup center to start on a Super Bowl roster. They haven't even drafted a legit center prospect to groom and learn.

Thats what I've been arguing for years. They simply don't value o line.

Do I think Pearsall is the difference maker? probably not, but seeing how they handle contracts I get why they took him. My biggest hope is Purdy's growth tbh. He's that good imo and can mask a lot of faults. My fear tho is it won't matter and the o-line will always break our backs.

It's almost like some of you just started watching yesterday. You really think Kyle is going to give any sort of leeway of HIS offense to a QB? He's faaaaaar to egotistical and stubborn.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
The only QBs who did from the start in recent memory was Manning and Luck. I want to say possibly Matt Ryan as well.

Even then the C is mostly responsible for it. Jeff Saturday was doing most of the calls for Manning. Manning was assigning the hot routes, audibles, calling out the MIKE at times, and if he thought the blitz would be coming hard from a certain side (which Jeff also did as well)

Then center should be a priority. Not grabbing a career backup center to start on a Super Bowl roster. They haven't even drafted a legit center prospect to groom and learn.

Thats what I've been arguing for years. They simply don't value o line.

Do I think Pearsall is the difference maker? probably not, but seeing how they handle contracts I get why they took him. My biggest hope is Purdy's growth tbh. He's that good imo and can mask a lot of faults. My fear tho is it won't matter and the o-line will always break our backs.

They certainly don't value the "center" position, that's for sure.

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
It's almost like some of you just started watching yesterday. You really think Kyle is going to give any sort of leeway of HIS offense to a QB? He's faaaaaar to egotistical and stubborn.

I don't think its a stubbornness issue. I think its a complexity issue. His QBs have to process a ton of information in his complex offense. Kyle just offloads the protections to his center because - as much as we all want that blitz pickup - that blitz pickup isn't going to happen if the defensive front isn't first taken cared of.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
The only QBs who did from the start in recent memory was Manning and Luck. I want to say possibly Matt Ryan as well.

Even then the C is mostly responsible for it. Jeff Saturday was doing most of the calls for Manning. Manning was assigning the hot routes, audibles, calling out the MIKE at times, and if he thought the blitz would be coming hard from a certain side (which Jeff also did as well)

Then center should be a priority. Not grabbing a career backup center to start on a Super Bowl roster. They haven't even drafted a legit center prospect to groom and learn.

Thats what I've been arguing for years. They simply don't value o line.

Do I think Pearsall is the difference maker? probably not, but seeing how they handle contracts I get why they took him. My biggest hope is Purdy's growth tbh. He's that good imo and can mask a lot of faults. My fear tho is it won't matter and the o-line will always break our backs.

They certainly don't value the "center" position, that's for sure.

Hopefully that has changed as they now have an elite franchise QB that - hopefully - has a longer career than Andrew Luck, if they at least give him some decent pass protection.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
IMO Kyle is gonna have to give the QB a little more control of protections and being able to change up stuff pre-snap. I know he gives the QB two calls and he can "can" one, plus there's some built in hot reads based off reads. I just think if you're gonna pay your QB $200M, he's gonna need to have more control. He's gotta trust him

No doubt. Why it's nice to finally have a guy worthy of that trust.

All of the above

I believe it would solve a lot of problems in key times in important games. When he lets his QB find his own way in games even Jimmy does well. Remember his first 5 games at the end of the season. When he came in for tray after his injury. Kyle needs to let Brock find his way in the play that's called. Make adjustments at the LOS, let's hope this happens. We may win one.

No adjustment can be called to cover a bad/missed/fluke play.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
Clown behavior is ignoring the oc s**tting the bed with horrific plays in the second half that ended up costing ATL the game. Do your research before calling people clowns. Plenary of material out there that actually makes you the clown.

So wait the OC and not the HC was the problem in ATL, but here it's clearly just the HC and not any of the other coaches? Talk about hypocritical nonsense.

did Kyle call the defensive plays in the SB too? Did he allow over 500 yards of offense and not give the offense a chance in OT? If you told me an offense would get 28pts in a SB id say their odds of winning are high.

Acting like a clown is making blatant statements like it's one play callers fault for losing a game. Like there's no nuance allowed. No one can discuss the ins and outs of a game & see there was a ton of s**t that went wrong besides Kyle not running the ball enough in the second half or whatever you're trying to put all the blame on him for.

You can't call out folks saying "do your research" when you yourself clearly didn't.

Funny, when the team Kyle is on does well he is a genius and when the offense s**ts the bed it's not his fault. That is the argument Kyle fans go to when challenged. Blown leads. It's not Kyle's fault the defense didn't hold. Anemic offense.. not Kyle's fault the players couldn't capitalize on his genius play calling. The defense allowing big plays or committing horrible penalties at crucial points of the game.. not Kyle's fault he is the hc not the dc. On and on and on…. It's never his fault. How could it be. He is a genius. 0-3 to the world but for his apologists he is 0-0 and 3. Been in three lost none won none with 3 losses that were not his fault because everyone else was to blame. He is and was responsible as the oc and hc. Was it all on him. No. Did he contribute to the defeats yes. Would the teams have won had he called better plays? Yes. Are all the sports writers that assigned blame to Kyle in the ATL loss stupid and wrong…? I don't think so.. by the way.. calling deep pass plays when in a running situation can and did have a huge impact on the game. You trivialize play calls as if they don't matter. It mattered. Coaching matters. And Kyle has been in 3 superbowls. All losses. All blown leads. All 3 impacted directly by his coaching. Is it pure coincidence, bad luck or is it poor coaching in crucial moments? Clowns ignore the truth and seek alternative narratives based in delusion . The facts are not hidden in the case of Kyle. You don't need to look hard.. you just need to open your eyes and be honest with yourself. He is 0-3.

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
IMO Kyle is gonna have to give the QB a little more control of protections and being able to change up stuff pre-snap. I know he gives the QB two calls and he can "can" one, plus there's some built in hot reads based off reads. I just think if you're gonna pay your QB $200M, he's gonna need to have more control. He's gotta trust him

No doubt. Why it's nice to finally have a guy worthy of that trust.

All of the above

I believe it would solve a lot of problems in key times in important games. When he lets his QB find his own way in games even Jimmy does well. Remember his first 5 games at the end of the season. When he came in for tray after his injury. Kyle needs to let Brock find his way in the play that's called. Make adjustments at the LOS, let's hope this happens. We may win one.

No adjustment can be called to cover a bad/missed/fluke play.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
Clown behavior is ignoring the oc s**tting the bed with horrific plays in the second half that ended up costing ATL the game. Do your research before calling people clowns. Plenary of material out there that actually makes you the clown.

So wait the OC and not the HC was the problem in ATL, but here it's clearly just the HC and not any of the other coaches? Talk about hypocritical nonsense.

did Kyle call the defensive plays in the SB too? Did he allow over 500 yards of offense and not give the offense a chance in OT? If you told me an offense would get 28pts in a SB id say their odds of winning are high.

Acting like a clown is making blatant statements like it's one play callers fault for losing a game. Like there's no nuance allowed. No one can discuss the ins and outs of a game & see there was a ton of s**t that went wrong besides Kyle not running the ball enough in the second half or whatever you're trying to put all the blame on him for.

You can't call out folks saying "do your research" when you yourself clearly didn't.

Funny, when the team Kyle is on does well he is a genius and when the offense s**ts the bed it's not his fault. That is the argument Kyle fans go to when challenged. Blown leads. It's not Kyle's fault the defense didn't hold. Anemic offense.. not Kyle's fault the players couldn't capitalize on his genius play calling. The defense allowing big plays or committing horrible penalties at crucial points of the game.. not Kyle's fault he is the hc not the dc. On and on and on…. It's never his fault. How could it be. He is a genius. 0-3 to the world but for his apologists he is 0-0 and 3. Been in three lost none won none with 3 losses that were not his fault because everyone else was to blame. He is and was responsible as the oc and hc. Was it all on him. No. Did he contribute to the defeats yes. Would the teams have won had he called better plays? Yes. Are all the sports writers that assigned blame to Kyle in the ATL loss stupid and wrong…? I don't think so.. by the way.. calling deep pass plays when in a running situation can and did have a huge impact on the game. You trivialize play calls as if they don't matter. It mattered. Coaching matters. And Kyle has been in 3 superbowls. All losses. All blown leads. All 3 impacted directly by his coaching. Is it pure coincidence, bad luck or is it poor coaching in crucial moments? Clowns ignore the truth and seek alternative narratives based in delusion . The facts are not hidden in the case of Kyle. You don't need to look hard.. you just need to open your eyes and be honest with yourself. He is 0-3.

i can tell you're new to this game called football.

While it's Kyle's responsibility due to being the HC, having the lead shows he's and players are handling his part of the game. now if the offense can't get a touchdown in the playoffs/SB that is def Kyle's fault

There is a reason why we keep drafting for Defense.. cause it aint the Offense that is the issue

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
Funny, when the team Kyle is on does well he is a genius and when the offense s**ts the bed it's not his fault. That is the argument Kyle fans go to when challenged. Blown leads. It's not Kyle's fault the defense didn't hold. Anemic offense.. not Kyle's fault the players couldn't capitalize on his genius play calling. The defense allowing big plays or committing horrible penalties at crucial points of the game.. not Kyle's fault he is the hc not the dc. On and on and on…. It's never his fault. How could it be. He is a genius. 0-3 to the world but for his apologists he is 0-0 and 3. Been in three lost none won none with 3 losses that were not his fault because everyone else was to blame. He is and was responsible as the oc and hc. Was it all on him. No. Did he contribute to the defeats yes. Would the teams have won had he called better plays? Yes. Are all the sports writers that assigned blame to Kyle in the ATL loss stupid and wrong…? I don't think so.. by the way.. calling deep pass plays when in a running situation can and did have a huge impact on the game. You trivialize play calls as if they don't matter. It mattered. Coaching matters. And Kyle has been in 3 superbowls. All losses. All blown leads. All 3 impacted directly by his coaching. Is it pure coincidence, bad luck or is it poor coaching in crucial moments? Clowns ignore the truth and seek alternative narratives based in delusion . The facts are not hidden in the case of Kyle. You don't need to look hard.. you just need to open your eyes and be honest with yourself. He is 0-3.

Evaluating a coach or player takes more than just looking at one game - even if it's the most important game at the end of the season. Since becoming Head Coach Shanahan has become one of the winningest and most consistently successful in the business. Being 0-2 is horrible and frustrating, but you have to measure him against everyone else in the business, not against a perfect version of himself that does everything right. Since becoming Head Coach only two people have taken their team to the Superbowl more times than Shanahan's Niners. I'm sure I don't even have to mention who they are, suffice to say they are both going to be considered legends of the game, and they have both been a Head Coach for a while longer than Shanahan.

Kyle can improve, but he is absolutely performing at an elite level at his position. I guarantee this - if we were stupid enough to replace him, however came in would not perform as well overall. That's based on performance comparison.

Originally posted by joeknows:

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
Funny, when the team Kyle is on does well he is a genius and when the offense s**ts the bed it's not his fault. That is the argument Kyle fans go to when challenged. Blown leads. It's not Kyle's fault the defense didn't hold. Anemic offense.. not Kyle's fault the players couldn't capitalize on his genius play calling. The defense allowing big plays or committing horrible penalties at crucial points of the game.. not Kyle's fault he is the hc not the dc. On and on and on…. It's never his fault. How could it be. He is a genius. 0-3 to the world but for his apologists he is 0-0 and 3. Been in three lost none won none with 3 losses that were not his fault because everyone else was to blame. He is and was responsible as the oc and hc. Was it all on him. No. Did he contribute to the defeats yes. Would the teams have won had he called better plays? Yes. Are all the sports writers that assigned blame to Kyle in the ATL loss stupid and wrong…? I don't think so.. by the way.. calling deep pass plays when in a running situation can and did have a huge impact on the game. You trivialize play calls as if they don't matter. It mattered. Coaching matters. And Kyle has been in 3 superbowls. All losses. All blown leads. All 3 impacted directly by his coaching. Is it pure coincidence, bad luck or is it poor coaching in crucial moments? Clowns ignore the truth and seek alternative narratives based in delusion . The facts are not hidden in the case of Kyle. You don't need to look hard.. you just need to open your eyes and be honest with yourself. He is 0-3.

Evaluating a coach or player takes more than just looking at one game - even if it's the most important game at the end of the season. Since becoming Head Coach Shanahan has become one of the winningest and most consistently successful in the business. Being 0-2 is horrible and frustrating, but you have to measure him against everyone else in the business, not against a perfect version of himself that does everything right. Since becoming Head Coach only two people have taken their team to the Superbowl more times than Shanahan's Niners. I'm sure I don't even have to mention who they are, suffice to say they are both going to be considered legends of the game, and they have both been a Head Coach for a while longer than Shanahan.

Kyle can improve, but he is absolutely performing at an elite level at his position. I guarantee this - if we were stupid enough to replace him, however came in would not perform as well overall. That's based on performance comparison.

There are people who thrive under the pressure of the big stage and people who fold like a chair.

You can read in Kyle's face what he was thinking on the sidelines during the two Super Bowls: it wasn't "how am I going to win this game", it was "how am I going to avoid losing it."

Originally posted by joeknows:
Evaluating a coach or player takes more than just looking at one game - even if it's the most important game at the end of the season. Since becoming Head Coach Shanahan has become one of the winningest and most consistently successful in the business. Being 0-2 is horrible and frustrating, but you have to measure him against everyone else in the business, not against a perfect version of himself that does everything right. Since becoming Head Coach only two people have taken their team to the Superbowl more times than Shanahan's Niners. I'm sure I don't even have to mention who they are, suffice to say they are both going to be considered legends of the game, and they have both been a Head Coach for a while longer than Shanahan.

Kyle can improve, but he is absolutely performing at an elite level at his position. I guarantee this - if we were stupid enough to replace him, however came in would not perform as well overall. That's based on performance comparison.

Thank God jed has extended ShanaLynch for another (I think) 5+ years prior to the start of last year's season.