49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Montana:
He definitely doesn't suck but in superbowls, I wanna see what drunk Kyle would do.

How about just a better DC? He got a better QB and the offense vs a great challenge from KC managed to get the lead every time in the 4th quarter and OT.

Kyle did his job even if people expect TDs and not FGs every time. Wilks didn't do his and yet people claim Kyle is the choker who can't get it done in key moments…

And yes we can blame Kyle for hiring Wilks in the first place but let's not forget Saleh was like his 3rd choice in 2017 and he turned into a really good DC who left for a HC job. DeMeco followed him and did the same thing.

Only so many DC candidates who fit our scheme available when our guys are getting hired after deep playoff runs. Hopefully Sorensen hits just like DeMeco did and sticks around for a few seasons.

The defense held the Chiefs to a measly 19 points through 4Q of football. Saying they didn't do their job Is ridiculous. Kyle deserves just as much blame as anyone for both super bowl losses.

You act like the Chiefs offense was special this past season. They were middle of the pack. Their defense however was dominant and got better as the year went along.

Funny how people have no problem throwing around the choke label and talking about Kyle's struggles late in the SB but somehow when it comes to the defense that doesn't apply.

Asking the defense to hold the lead at the end shouldn't be something shocking.

AGAIN - Kyle being clueless when it matters most will continue to be exposed... that last pass play he called, he couldn't figure out a way that a young 74 is blocking an all pro 95, and while we still have a young QB to even see that, Kyle shoulda been the one to realize that a FB should have been in the play helping out the OL block.. But, he was too concern about calling a PRETTY PLAY instead of just using the best RB in FB to gain a first down in 2 tries...

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by eastie:

Originally posted by 9moon:
Cowboys - u talkin about the 81 NFCCG.. right? The Catch would have been MEANINGLESS had Eric Wright did not catch 88 on a horse collar tackle...

SHANNY sucks... he can't game plan and he can't make the PROPER call when necessary !!

A coach that can get his team to the SB twice in 5 years, by definition, doesn't suck. The coach that rebuilt a team from nothing to greatness. Take your childish, insipid, trolling and go back under the rock that covers you. Or just maybe, grow up!

GREATNESS?

Yes, we define "greatness" by playoff appearances and SB losses. I'm willing to bet a lot of these guys have Kyle ranked as the second "greatest" coach in our storied history behind Walsh.

Right now, for me, he's vying for position with Jim Harbaugh. Right now Kyle and Jim are kind of sorta in the same rank or category. Now as for football knowledge - I rank Kyle over Jim. His drafts are better than Seifert's for sure.

Kyle is a better play caller no doubt. But Harbaugh had better situational awareness. If you watch that GB playoff game in the frigid cold, he made some ballsy calls going for it on 4th then allowing Kaep to finish on the final drive with his legs. Minus the final of moments of the SB (where Gore should have finished it), Harbaugh had a good track record with limited QB skill set.

Kyle fields the best unit year in and year out, and still doesn't f**king get it

Some differences between Kyle and Jim is experience as related to the NFL. Jim played and coached in the NFL whereas Kyle only coached. To me, that's a important difference between the two. Now, to be fair Kyle's had a Super Bowl dad that he learned from and Jim played under some one sided coaches who had some limitations.

Both coaches have lost super bowls, but both coaches fielded flawed defenses - ironically on the DB side. Great DLine, good LB"s, but flawed DB squads.

I have that dude blocked but was curious where the Harbaugh talk came from.

How can anyone in their right mind talk about Harbaugh being a better at situational awareness? The only difference was we had real horses on OL when Harbaugh was here so we could line up and just run the game out. Kyle's offense isn't built the same way and after we lost guys in free agency, including Delanie Walker, Harbaugh could no longer do the same thing.

Let's forget about the horrendous playcalling gaffs in the SB...including the whole disaster when the team was actually in first and goal at the 7 and Frank Gore never saw a single run and the awful play calling design within the redzone we had led to a timeout wiping out what should've been a TD play.

This is correct about Harbaugh and it sucks. I won't let Kyle off the hook though I think he has to win it all before I'll call him a great coach, he's good but not great.

Originally posted by 9moon:
AGAIN - Kyle being clueless when it matters most will continue to be exposed... that last pass play he called, he couldn't figure out a way that a young 74 is blocking an all pro 95, and while we still have a young QB to even see that, Kyle shoulda been the one to realize that a FB should have been in the play helping out the OL block.. But, he was too concern about calling a PRETTY PLAY instead of just using the best RB in FB to gain a first down in 2 tries...

God you'd think over your years of posting here you'd learn the game but nope…too busy making up stupid nicknames and posting garbage.

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And I don't even know what people are seriously debating at this point. Ya'll actually think he's a bad coach? If so, you're incredibly ignorant and caught up in your feelings.

If you're debating if he's great (or not) okay there's a debate to be had…I think there's only a couple "great" head coaches in the history of the NFL.

There are NOT 5 better HCs in the league currently. I will argue that s**t all day. I will argue that there is context in every single win and loss to a football game and some people can't have that conversation for obvious reasons.

That's a conversation worth having. What makes a GREAT HC?

Winning SBs? Sure...but how?

Bill Belichick is easily the best HC of this generation. 6 SB wins and 9 trips to the SB in 24 years is an amazing accomplishment.

But then you look at Bill Belichick without Tom Brady and you get 0 SB appearances, 1 playoff appearance where they went one and done and lost by 30 points and 4 losing seasons out of 6 seasons Brady wasn't the starter most of the season for the Pats.

Andy Reid is #2...what is he without Patrick Mahomes? What is he with Paxton Lynch and no Mahomes or Chris Jones?

Seems like there is a correlation to greatness when you have greatness at the QB position to help you win big games.

The way the Chiefs offense looked to start that SB and until Greenlaw got hurt can anyone really make the claim that Andy Reid had that offense ready to roll?

BOTH our Super Bowl KC lost were because of Kyle not knowing how to coach... we were the better teams at both times, and he did not know how to use it..

Yes Jimmy G was so much better than Patrick Mahomes in 2019…I forgot why i unblocked you but these last few posts were a great reminder.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And I don't even know what people are seriously debating at this point. Ya'll actually think he's a bad coach? If so, you're incredibly ignorant and caught up in your feelings.

If you're debating if he's great (or not) okay there's a debate to be had…I think there's only a couple "great" head coaches in the history of the NFL.

There are NOT 5 better HCs in the league currently. I will argue that s**t all day. I will argue that there is context in every single win and loss to a football game and some people can't have that conversation for obvious reasons.

That's a conversation worth having. What makes a GREAT HC?

Winning SBs? Sure...but how?

Bill Belichick is easily the best HC of this generation. 6 SB wins and 9 trips to the SB in 24 years is an amazing accomplishment.

But then you look at Bill Belichick without Tom Brady and you get 0 SB appearances, 1 playoff appearance where they went one and done and lost by 30 points and 4 losing seasons out of 6 seasons Brady wasn't the starter most of the season for the Pats.

Andy Reid is #2...what is he without Patrick Mahomes? What is he with Paxton Lynch and no Mahomes or Chris Jones?

Seems like there is a correlation to greatness when you have greatness at the QB position to help you win big games.

The way the Chiefs offense looked to start that SB and until Greenlaw got hurt can anyone really make the claim that Andy Reid had that offense ready to roll?

BOTH our Super Bowl KC lost were because of Kyle not knowing how to coach... we were the better teams at both times, and he did not know how to use it..

Yes Jimmy G was so much better than Patrick Mahomes in 2019…I forgot why i unblocked you but these last few posts were a great reminder.

WHO SAID JIMMY WAS BETTER THAN MAHOMES?

but no way KC's team that year was better than ours..

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Montana:
He definitely doesn't suck but in superbowls, I wanna see what drunk Kyle would do.

How about just a better DC? He got a better QB and the offense vs a great challenge from KC managed to get the lead every time in the 4th quarter and OT.

Kyle did his job even if people expect TDs and not FGs every time. Wilks didn't do his and yet people claim Kyle is the choker who can't get it done in key moments…

And yes we can blame Kyle for hiring Wilks in the first place but let's not forget Saleh was like his 3rd choice in 2017 and he turned into a really good DC who left for a HC job. DeMeco followed him and did the same thing.

Only so many DC candidates who fit our scheme available when our guys are getting hired after deep playoff runs. Hopefully Sorensen hits just like DeMeco did and sticks around for a few seasons.

The defense held the Chiefs to a measly 19 points through 4Q of football. Saying they didn't do their job Is ridiculous. Kyle deserves just as much blame as anyone for both super bowl losses.

You act like the Chiefs offense was special this past season. They were middle of the pack. Their defense however was dominant and got better as the year went along.

Funny how people have no problem throwing around the choke label and talking about Kyle's struggles late in the SB but somehow when it comes to the defense that doesn't apply.

Asking the defense to hold the lead at the end shouldn't be something shocking.

AGAIN - Kyle being clueless when it matters most will continue to be exposed... that last pass play he called, he couldn't figure out a way that a young 74 is blocking an all pro 95, and while we still have a young QB to even see that, Kyle shoulda been the one to realize that a FB should have been in the play helping out the OL block.. But, he was too concern about calling a PRETTY PLAY instead of just using the best RB in FB to gain a first down in 2 tries...

I'm sorry that you're sad. 🥲 I too lived through and watched the glory days of Camelot, but it kind of seems like you slept through the Erickson, Tomsula, Nolan, Kelly years. In the NFL, there isn't any team who wins it every year. Patriots dynasty is the only one I can think of that trumps the 80's Niners, but even they lost Super Bowls. I would bet my house that if you were a Lions fan you'd be calling for Dan Campbell's head.

I really am sorry you can't enjoy watching one of the best football teams on the planet, but wait with bated breath to hear your response when Kyle and the boys hoist #6.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And I don't even know what people are seriously debating at this point. Ya'll actually think he's a bad coach? If so, you're incredibly ignorant and caught up in your feelings.

If you're debating if he's great (or not) okay there's a debate to be had…I think there's only a couple "great" head coaches in the history of the NFL.

There are NOT 5 better HCs in the league currently. I will argue that s**t all day. I will argue that there is context in every single win and loss to a football game and some people can't have that conversation for obvious reasons.

That's a conversation worth having. What makes a GREAT HC?

Winning SBs? Sure...but how?

Bill Belichick is easily the best HC of this generation. 6 SB wins and 9 trips to the SB in 24 years is an amazing accomplishment.

But then you look at Bill Belichick without Tom Brady and you get 0 SB appearances, 1 playoff appearance where they went one and done and lost by 30 points and 4 losing seasons out of 6 seasons Brady wasn't the starter most of the season for the Pats.

Andy Reid is #2...what is he without Patrick Mahomes? What is he with Paxton Lynch and no Mahomes or Chris Jones?

Seems like there is a correlation to greatness when you have greatness at the QB position to help you win big games.

The way the Chiefs offense looked to start that SB and until Greenlaw got hurt can anyone really make the claim that Andy Reid had that offense ready to roll?

BOTH our Super Bowl KC lost were because of Kyle not knowing how to coach... we were the better teams at both times, and he did not know how to use it..

Yes Jimmy G was so much better than Patrick Mahomes in 2019…I forgot why i unblocked you but these last few posts were a great reminder.

lol, good ol Luna still hasn't learned anything

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And I don't even know what people are seriously debating at this point. Ya'll actually think he's a bad coach? If so, you're incredibly ignorant and caught up in your feelings.

If you're debating if he's great (or not) okay there's a debate to be had…I think there's only a couple "great" head coaches in the history of the NFL.

There are NOT 5 better HCs in the league currently. I will argue that s**t all day. I will argue that there is context in every single win and loss to a football game and some people can't have that conversation for obvious reasons.

I think most would agree with him being a top 5 head coach right now, but he's not without fault either.

Those 4th Q struggles In super bowls are still there.

That's fair and again there's a lot of nuance and conversation to be had about those 4th QR issues outside of just the HC stinks. Not sure why some folks can't have a convo about that?

Originally posted by 9moon:
BOTH our Super Bowl KC lost were because of Kyle not knowing how to coach... we were the better teams at both times, and he did not know how to use it..

How about you explain that? Just stating it without context doesn't make it a fact.

I could argue if Jimmy hits Sanders (or a wide open Bourne) they win. If the D stopped Mahomes on a 3rd and 15 odds greatly improve of SF winning. Under 4 mins left they have the lead this past SB. Missed XP forced KC to only have to kick a FG instead of trying to score a TD. They had the lead in OT. Brock makes the correct read on a 3rd down, it changes the whole game. That's not even talking about muffed punt return or backup players playing awful.

so no I don't agree it wasn't because he didn't know how to coach.

I will throw out a question for the die hard Kyle supporters- What does Kyle need to improve or change to make him a better coach and how will those changes help the team?

Originally posted by 9moon:
AGAIN - Kyle being clueless when it matters most will continue to be exposed... that last pass play he called, he couldn't figure out a way that a young 74 is blocking an all pro 95, and while we still have a young QB to even see that, Kyle shoulda been the one to realize that a FB should have been in the play helping out the OL block.. But, he was too concern about calling a PRETTY PLAY instead of just using the best RB in FB to gain a first down in 2 tries...

lol get that f**k out of here with that…burford had played and started in 29 games. Pickup the block your SUPPOSE to make. Period. Blaming that on coaching is incredibly ignorant.

Acting like Brock has never seen a blitz call before is also being silly man. He called a play that had BA wide f**king open and JJ would have been if Burford literally put his hands on Jones.

Play calling doesn't mean jack s**t if a player can't execute it. You need to understand that instead of forcing yourself to hate a HC because it's easy.

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
I will throw out a question for the die hard Kyle supporters- What does Kyle need to improve or change to make him a better coach and how will those changes help the team?

Need his players to not get hurt. It's that simple man. They don't lose that game if Greenlaw, Deebo, Feliciano, Kittle don't get hurt.

Brock needs more reps to feel even more confident in what he's seeing. That missed hot read on 3rd down was pretty massive.

for me, I would prefer the QB had more control of protections compared to the center. They need better pass-protection on true pass sets. They need a better center, especially if he's gonna control all the protection calls. Brendel was awful in the SB.

Originally posted by 9moon:
WHO SAID JIMMY WAS BETTER THAN MAHOMES?

but no way KC's team that year was better than ours..

Great players show up at great moments. SF's stud players did it vs GB/DET. Didn't happen in the SB.

Even with that happening SF was still winning in OT. Need your highly paid studs to show up when it matters.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
I will throw out a question for the die hard Kyle supporters- What does Kyle need to improve or change to make him a better coach and how will those changes help the team?

Need his players to not get hurt. It's that simple man. They don't lose that game if Greenlaw, Deebo, Feliciano, Kittle don't get hurt.

Brock needs more reps to feel even more confident in what he's seeing. That missed hot read on 3rd down was pretty massive.

for me, I would prefer the QB had more control of protections compared to the center. They need better pass-protection on true pass sets. They need a better center, especially if he's gonna control all the protection calls. Brendel was awful in the SB.

Makes sense. Injuries continue to kill us. Not sure he can fix that though. Pass protection changes would be very helpful.

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
I will throw out a question for the die hard Kyle supporters- What does Kyle need to improve or change to make him a better coach and how will those changes help the team?

Need his players to not get hurt. It's that simple man. They don't lose that game if Greenlaw, Deebo, Feliciano, Kittle don't get hurt.

Brock needs more reps to feel even more confident in what he's seeing. That missed hot read on 3rd down was pretty massive.

for me, I would prefer the QB had more control of protections compared to the center. They need better pass-protection on true pass sets. They need a better center, especially if he's gonna control all the protection calls. Brendel was awful in the SB.

Makes sense. Injuries continue to kill us. Not sure he can fix that though. Pass protection changes would be very helpful.

Look at that we can agree on something