49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by FanInFlorida:
I'm not sure if everyone would agree that BA was "wide open". You're right, if you were to freeze the play at a certain point and take the bird's eye view (camera angle), you can draw a circle around him without any other players in it. On the surface, it looks wide open to us. But from Brock's perspective, didn't he have the blitzing corner right in his throwing lane? Maybe that's something up for debate. It looked to me like he was right in the throwing lane. And with it being a slant route, the trajectory of the pass would make it possible that the blitzer can get his hands on it. So he's still affecting the play, just not in the circle around BA.

The analogy I would use for this is soccer. If the keeper is in the middle of his net, the area to his right and to his left are "wide open". If you're taking a shot, you'll want to shoot at those open areas. But if there's a defender right in between you and one of the open areas, it will be hard to score. Not impossible, but it's certainly not easy.

I'm just saying that I think we had better plays in the playbook for that moment. Plays that stress defenders and put them in situations where they have to make a difficult decision in a short amount of time. It didn't look to me like any defender had to make a quick, difficult decision on that play.

That's wide open in the NFL. The corner on him literally comes in on the blitz. He's open. Brock makes the right read and throws him the ball instead of going to JJ on the outside and unless BA drops it, it's a first down and we have at least 3 downs to milk the clock further before kicking the potential game winner.

Brock even said he should've thrown to Aiyuk. The film showed he should've thrown to Aiyuk but you're here saying "well maybe it wasn't what it seemed"

Come on...also it was 3rd and 5. The graphic on TV was wrong so the people claiming he should've ran it there and gone for it on 4th down are also full of it.

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But from yours & NY's & others point of view, if the players do their job, the play works.

Well then, in that situation, if Kyle calls a running play for CMC, (offensive player of the year) & the players do their job, then that play works.

Are you saying that Kyle calls zero bad plays?

No Kyle like every coach calls bad plays or plays that don't work well vs that defense from time to time.

But in that SB in the 4th qtr and OT there were no bad plays called by him that lost us that play due to scheme.

And yes CMC was the offensive player of the year…who had a critical fumble on the opening drive costing us points. CMC who was averaging under 4 yards a carry. So calling a run play on 3rd and 5 when your run game hasn't been at its best is not a smart coaching decision. 3rd and 5 is a pass down unless you're going for it on 4th down and I don't care what people want to say in hindsight, taking the 3 point lead was 100% the right call.

Every information Kyle had for his playcalls on offense said the Chiefs are not able to score a TD without a turnover handed to them within our 20 yard line.

BOTTOM LINE - just like the Bills pretty and very innovative K-GUN offense, it GOT them to FOUR Super Bowls... and Shanny's 2 away !!

OUCH!

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by FanInFlorida:
I think they'd be good together. JH as the head coach and KS as the offensive coordinator. Can we make that happen?

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That would be a terrible combo. Shanahan would be constantly infuriated by Harbaugh's ancient offensive philosophies.

Shanahan is also a far superior head coach when it comes to working with the front office, maintaining a mature veteran locker room, interacting with the media, and as a teacher of strategic concepts. The Ws on Sunday are always the priority, but being an NFL head coach is far more than just that.

I will be very curious to see what Harbaugh does with the Chargers. He's got a great QB so he's got no excuses to hit the ground running. But he got let go at the perfect time for his image as an NFL HC.

Let go after an 8-8 season that can be blamed on injuries(even though the defense was the more injured one and still played at a high level) but we all knew the team was headed in the wrong direction. Some people claim some of the guys who retired would've stuck around if Harbaugh was the HC but I don't buy it.

Either way people caught up to our offense because Jim was too stubborn to change it up even though it was no longer working like it did in 2012/2013.

Meanwhile Kyle for all his faults had this team in 2 SBs and 2 other NFCCGs since the rebuild was completed after his first 2 seasons here. The one disaster was the covid year that was riddled with injuries to critical pieces and even then a 6-10 record was overachieving.

Colin was sorta-kinda like Kyle's Jimmy. Once both (Kaepernick and Garoppolo) got exposed by their limitations, it was game over for them.

I think Jim's QB with the Chargers might be sort of like Kyle's Brock Purdy. We shall see.

We'll see. Let's not forget when Kap first came out there we were all hyped and expecting to have the next great 49er QB. I still remember Ron Jaworski calling him the next great NFL QB.

And if we're being honest physical talent wise he was clearly up there. He could run like a damn gazelle, he could make every throw...but his processing was slow.

If somehow we could combine Kap and Brock that would be the best QB the sport has seen imo.

I am shocked though that Harbaugh is going with Greg Roman as the OC again. Feels like the man didn't learn his lesson but it will be an interesting case study.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by FanInFlorida:
I think they'd be good together. JH as the head coach and KS as the offensive coordinator. Can we make that happen?

That would be a terrible combo. Shanahan would be constantly infuriated by Harbaugh's ancient offensive philosophies.

Shanahan is also a far superior head coach when it comes to working with the front office, maintaining a mature veteran locker room, interacting with the media, and as a teacher of strategic concepts. The Ws on Sunday are always the priority, but being an NFL head coach is far more than just that.

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I will be very curious to see what Harbaugh does with the Chargers. He's got a great QB so he's got no excuses to hit the ground running. But he got let go at the perfect time for his image as an NFL HC.

Let go after an 8-8 season that can be blamed on injuries(even though the defense was the more injured one and still played at a high level) but we all knew the team was headed in the wrong direction. Some people claim some of the guys who retired would've stuck around if Harbaugh was the HC but I don't buy it.

Either way people caught up to our offense because Jim was too stubborn to change it up even though it was no longer working like it did in 2012/2013.

Meanwhile Kyle for all his faults had this team in 2 SBs and 2 other NFCCGs since the rebuild was completed after his first 2 seasons here. The one disaster was the covid year that was riddled with injuries to critical pieces and even then a 6-10 record was overachieving.

Colin was sorta-kinda like Kyle's Jimmy. Once both (Kaepernick and Garoppolo) got exposed by their limitations, it was game over for them.

I think Jim's QB with the Chargers might be sort of like Kyle's Brock Purdy. We shall see.

We'll see. Let's not forget when Kap first came out there we were all hyped and expecting to have the next great 49er QB. I still remember Ron Jaworski calling him the next great NFL QB.

And if we're being honest physical talent wise he was clearly up there. He could run like a damn gazelle, he could make every throw...but his processing was slow.

If somehow we could combine Kap and Brock that would be the best QB the sport has seen imo.

I am shocked though that Harbaugh is going with Greg Roman as the OC again. Feels like the man didn't learn his lesson but it will be an interesting case study.

I'm curious about what you mean when you say Harbaugh's QB ( Herbert) is like Brock Purdy. The two aren't physically alike at all. Herbert is 5 inches taller and faster. He has a stronger arm. I know your aware of the physical differences so what are you comparing?

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by FanInFlorida:
I think they'd be good together. JH as the head coach and KS as the offensive coordinator. Can we make that happen?

That would be a terrible combo. Shanahan would be constantly infuriated by Harbaugh's ancient offensive philosophies.

Shanahan is also a far superior head coach when it comes to working with the front office, maintaining a mature veteran locker room, interacting with the media, and as a teacher of strategic concepts. The Ws on Sunday are always the priority, but being an NFL head coach is far more than just that.

I will be very curious to see what Harbaugh does with the Chargers. He's got a great QB so he's got no excuses to hit the ground running. But he got let go at the perfect time for his image as an NFL HC.

Let go after an 8-8 season that can be blamed on injuries(even though the defense was the more injured one and still played at a high level) but we all knew the team was headed in the wrong direction. Some people claim some of the guys who retired would've stuck around if Harbaugh was the HC but I don't buy it.

Either way people caught up to our offense because Jim was too stubborn to change it up even though it was no longer working like it did in 2012/2013.

Meanwhile Kyle for all his faults had this team in 2 SBs and 2 other NFCCGs since the rebuild was completed after his first 2 seasons here. The one disaster was the covid year that was riddled with injuries to critical pieces and even then a 6-10 record was overachieving.

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Colin was sorta-kinda like Kyle's Jimmy. Once both (Kaepernick and Garoppolo) got exposed by their limitations, it was game over for them.

I think Jim's QB with the Chargers might be sort of like Kyle's Brock Purdy. We shall see.

We'll see. Let's not forget when Kap first came out there we were all hyped and expecting to have the next great 49er QB. I still remember Ron Jaworski calling him the next great NFL QB.

And if we're being honest physical talent wise he was clearly up there. He could run like a damn gazelle, he could make every throw...but his processing was slow.

If somehow we could combine Kap and Brock that would be the best QB the sport has seen imo.

I am shocked though that Harbaugh is going with Greg Roman as the OC again. Feels like the man didn't learn his lesson but it will be an interesting case study.

I'm curious about what you mean when you say Harbaugh's QB ( Herbert) is like Brock Purdy. The two aren't physically alike at all. Herbert is 5 inches taller and faster. He has a stronger arm. I know your aware of the physical differences so what are you comparing?

Then you should probably quote the person who said it. I'm assuming he means scheme fit wise though.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by FanInFlorida:
I think they'd be good together. JH as the head coach and KS as the offensive coordinator. Can we make that happen?

That would be a terrible combo. Shanahan would be constantly infuriated by Harbaugh's ancient offensive philosophies.

Shanahan is also a far superior head coach when it comes to working with the front office, maintaining a mature veteran locker room, interacting with the media, and as a teacher of strategic concepts. The Ws on Sunday are always the priority, but being an NFL head coach is far more than just that.

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I will be very curious to see what Harbaugh does with the Chargers. He's got a great QB so he's got no excuses to hit the ground running. But he got let go at the perfect time for his image as an NFL HC.

Let go after an 8-8 season that can be blamed on injuries(even though the defense was the more injured one and still played at a high level) but we all knew the team was headed in the wrong direction. Some people claim some of the guys who retired would've stuck around if Harbaugh was the HC but I don't buy it.

Either way people caught up to our offense because Jim was too stubborn to change it up even though it was no longer working like it did in 2012/2013.

Meanwhile Kyle for all his faults had this team in 2 SBs and 2 other NFCCGs since the rebuild was completed after his first 2 seasons here. The one disaster was the covid year that was riddled with injuries to critical pieces and even then a 6-10 record was overachieving.

Colin was sorta-kinda like Kyle's Jimmy. Once both (Kaepernick and Garoppolo) got exposed by their limitations, it was game over for them.

I think Jim's QB with the Chargers might be sort of like Kyle's Brock Purdy. We shall see.

We'll see. Let's not forget when Kap first came out there we were all hyped and expecting to have the next great 49er QB. I still remember Ron Jaworski calling him the next great NFL QB.

And if we're being honest physical talent wise he was clearly up there. He could run like a damn gazelle, he could make every throw...but his processing was slow.

If somehow we could combine Kap and Brock that would be the best QB the sport has seen imo.

I am shocked though that Harbaugh is going with Greg Roman as the OC again. Feels like the man didn't learn his lesson but it will be an interesting case study.

When the chargers get to an important game he'll call a flag pattern to the right pilon over and over again.

Originally posted by bassmanr:
When the chargers get to an important game he'll call a flag pattern to the right pilon over and over again.

To McConkey every time

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I'm curious about what you mean when you say Harbaugh's QB ( Herbert) is like Brock Purdy. The two aren't physically alike at all. Herbert is 5 inches taller and faster. He has a stronger arm. I know your aware of the physical differences so what are you comparing?

Obviously no comparison physically.

Genus mentioned the combo of Purdy and Kaepernick… elite physical skills and the ability to process. That's basically Justin Herbert, except he's less of a pure runner and a better thrower of the ball.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I'm curious about what you mean when you say Harbaugh's QB ( Herbert) is like Brock Purdy. The two aren't physically alike at all. Herbert is 5 inches taller and faster. He has a stronger arm. I know your aware of the physical differences so what are you comparing?

Obviously no comparison physically.

Genus mentioned the combo of Purdy and Kaepernick… elite physical skills and the ability to process. That's basically Justin Herbert, except he's less of a pure runner and a better thrower of the ball.

HEBERT - he's a taller DREW BREES

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I'm curious about what you mean when you say Harbaugh's QB ( Herbert) is like Brock Purdy. The two aren't physically alike at all. Herbert is 5 inches taller and faster. He has a stronger arm. I know your aware of the physical differences so what are you comparing?

Obviously no comparison physically.

Genus mentioned the combo of Purdy and Kaepernick… elite physical skills and the ability to process. That's basically Justin Herbert, except he's less of a pure runner and a better thrower of the ball.

HEBERT - he's a taller DREW BREES

Yeah the SD Brees

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I'm curious about what you mean when you say Harbaugh's QB ( Herbert) is like Brock Purdy. The two aren't physically alike at all. Herbert is 5 inches taller and faster. He has a stronger arm. I know your aware of the physical differences so what are you comparing?

Obviously no comparison physically.

Genus mentioned the combo of Purdy and Kaepernick… elite physical skills and the ability to process. That's basically Justin Herbert, except he's less of a pure runner and a better thrower of the ball.

HEBERT - he's a taller DREW BREES

video covers everything 49ers. I liked the comparison of Aiyuks situation to the Tyreek Hill situation as far as team building. Just a good outside perspective of the team.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by FanInFlorida:
I think they'd be good together. JH as the head coach and KS as the offensive coordinator. Can we make that happen?

That would be a terrible combo. Shanahan would be constantly infuriated by Harbaugh's ancient offensive philosophies.

Shanahan is also a far superior head coach when it comes to working with the front office, maintaining a mature veteran locker room, interacting with the media, and as a teacher of strategic concepts. The Ws on Sunday are always the priority, but being an NFL head coach is far more than just that.

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I will be very curious to see what Harbaugh does with the Chargers. He's got a great QB so he's got no excuses to hit the ground running. But he got let go at the perfect time for his image as an NFL HC.

Let go after an 8-8 season that can be blamed on injuries(even though the defense was the more injured one and still played at a high level) but we all knew the team was headed in the wrong direction. Some people claim some of the guys who retired would've stuck around if Harbaugh was the HC but I don't buy it.

Either way people caught up to our offense because Jim was too stubborn to change it up even though it was no longer working like it did in 2012/2013.

Meanwhile Kyle for all his faults had this team in 2 SBs and 2 other NFCCGs since the rebuild was completed after his first 2 seasons here. The one disaster was the covid year that was riddled with injuries to critical pieces and even then a 6-10 record was overachieving.

Colin was sorta-kinda like Kyle's Jimmy. Once both (Kaepernick and Garoppolo) got exposed by their limitations, it was game over for them.

I think Jim's QB with the Chargers might be sort of like Kyle's Brock Purdy. We shall see.

We'll see. Let's not forget when Kap first came out there we were all hyped and expecting to have the next great 49er QB. I still remember Ron Jaworski calling him the next great NFL QB.

And if we're being honest physical talent wise he was clearly up there. He could run like a damn gazelle, he could make every throw...but his processing was slow.

If somehow we could combine Kap and Brock that would be the best QB the sport has seen imo.

I am shocked though that Harbaugh is going with Greg Roman as the OC again. Feels like the man didn't learn his lesson but it will be an interesting case study.

Greg is an offensive lineman specialist and that's key to both the run and pass game as Jim establishes his offense, but I do see what you are saying. So I did a check and found out that Shane Day is a big part of the offensive coaching staff and he's had history with Kyle Shanahan. So, I think Greg Roman will be learning a lot from Shane, and possibly Shane moves into the OC position if Jim lets Greg Roman go.

If you combine Kaepernick and Brock, you almost have something like Patrick Mahomes. So Pat is a cut above elite, and possibly at the hall of fame level. Now, as for Brock, he's a (in a sense) a poor man's Patrick Mahomes. He has, I think, a lot of Patrick's attributes, but not the height or the athletic physicality that Patrick has. I think Brock is going to be that good this year.

My hope is that he's a cut above Patrick in terms of the mental attributes - so he can help Kyle finally overcome Andy Reid this year.

Shane Day isn't gonna show Roman anything.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Shane Day isn't gonna show Roman anything.

Well Shane did ok with CJ Stroud.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I'm curious about what you mean when you say Harbaugh's QB ( Herbert) is like Brock Purdy. The two aren't physically alike at all. Herbert is 5 inches taller and faster. He has a stronger arm. I know your aware of the physical differences so what are you comparing?

Well, I think Kyle moved on from the Kirk Cousins/Jimmy Garoppolo QB model with the advent of Trey and Brock. I like the fact that Tanner Mordecai and Josh Dobb's are backing up Brock. These three are pretty much in the same Mould of a mobile accurate QB. Harbaugh moved on from Alex Smith toward Colin, in a similar fashion in a roundabout sense.

I think Jim is going to make Justin a good QB for sure, if he can do to Justin what he did for Alex.