49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Interesting.

How often teams are using motion and play action per drop back through 4 weeks (pending MNF)... pic.twitter.com/N8wIvHC6zS

— Rich Hribar (@LordReebs) September 30, 2024

We used to be leading or top of the league in motion, PA, YAC, now we are middle of the pack or towards the bottom.

When most of the league runs the same offenses, defenses are going to prepare better. Kyle just changing things up right now.

That's what I think as well and asked that yesterday after hearing Maiocco talk about it. IMO that's a good sign. If Kyle sees defense are getting used to what he has been doing, well now he's evolving more right? I also think Brock is good enough not to need motion to rely on identifying a defense.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Imagine Joe Montana playing in a league where he can't be hit.

Roger Craig in this era. Or Jerry Rice.

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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Imagine Joe Montana playing in a league where he can't be hit.

Roger Craig in this era. Or Jerry Rice.

Steve Young even. His accuracy plus his ability to run.

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Imagine Joe Montana playing in a league where he can't be hit.

Roger Craig in this era. Or Jerry Rice.

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I remember a game as a kid, I forget who the opponent was...but anyway....they rolled out a base nickel when the 49ers took the field with normal starters...no 3rd WR. they actually put the CB, and nickel on Rice, with a safety over top then brought the SS to the middle of the field to help control Rice if he slanted or crossed.

It was an entire normal secondary aimed keeping lots of bodies around Rice. There are dudes from the 80s that might have issues adapting to super heavy use of complex switching zone these days....Rice is not one of them.

I actually think Craig (FB), Larry Centers (FB) and Marcus Allen (FB) would destroy today's defenses....shout out to Marc Logan (FB) as well... Walking mismatches that dominated in an era that was more adapted to deal with big FBs, few teams have enough quality LBers to deal with a RB a TE and FB in coverage.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I once heard an interview with Walsh after he retired. He was asked how his system would work with the new rules and defenses. He said he would need to change a few things but the basic structure could still works. obviously the game has changed even more since then so I wonder if he would still answer the question the same way.

Imagine Joe Montana playing in a league where he can't be hit.

Roger Craig in this era. Or Jerry Rice.

Yes but imagine Lott and company trying to play in this era where you can't lay out receivers coming across the middle or touch the QB. It works both ways. No question today's rules help the offense. QBs routinely complete 65-70% of their passes. Montana's career completion % was 63. Young was 64%. It wasn't because they weren't accurate throwers. They were just under more pressure and had to throw into more tight windows. That doesn't mean they never had receivers that were wide open but the easy throws over the middle weren't normally there.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I once heard an interview with Walsh after he retired. He was asked how his system would work with the new rules and defenses. He said he would need to change a few things but the basic structure could still works. obviously the game has changed even more since then so I wonder if he would still answer the question the same way.

Imagine Joe Montana playing in a league where he can't be hit.

Roger Craig in this era. Or Jerry Rice.

Yes but imagine Lott and company trying to play in this era where you can't lay out receivers coming across the middle or touch the QB. It works both ways. No question today's rules help the offense. QBs routinely complete 65-70% of their passes. Montana's career completion % was 63. Young was 64%. It wasn't because they weren't accurate throwers. They were just under more pressure and had to throw into more tight windows. That doesn't mean they never had receivers that were wide open but the easy throws over the middle weren't normally there.

42 be out of the league after his 2nd year had ha been playing in this era..

Originally posted by 9moon:
42 be out of the league after his 2nd year had ha been playing in this era..

Yeah..then they would say he was disturbed rather than a stud for the pinky lol. I remember that game and being mesmerized by his badassness. What a time to watch football. Now, no way would it happen and if it did, they would wanna get him therapy, say he needed more love growing up, send him to a shrink, offer him a reality show.

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by 9moon:
42 be out of the league after his 2nd year had ha been playing in this era..

Yeah..then they would say he was disturbed rather than a stud for the pinky lol. I remember that game and being mesmerized by his badassness. What a time to watch football. Now, no way would it happen and if it did, they would wanna get him therapy, say he needed more love growing up, send him to a shrink, offer him a reality show.

the pinky removal wasn't during the game.. urban legend

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by 9moon:
42 be out of the league after his 2nd year had ha been playing in this era..

Yeah..then they would say he was disturbed rather than a stud for the pinky lol. I remember that game and being mesmerized by his badassness. What a time to watch football. Now, no way would it happen and if it did, they would wanna get him therapy, say he needed more love growing up, send him to a shrink, offer him a reality show.

the pinky removal wasn't during the game.. urban legend

No but he removed a few players from the game. Lott wan't the only one. DBs were taught to unload on receivers and jar that ball out as well as intimidate them. The down side is so many of those guys are limping around today and have needed multiple surgeries. But it sure was fun to see those woo hits.

And its only moving in one direction. It is only going to get easier to play offense. Sometimes defensive backs look like they are road cones.

Hence coaches like Kyle who can dial in great offensive plays will always be in demand.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
the pinky removal wasn't during the game.. urban legend

Never said it was during the game, he got injured and just wanted to play through it. He was obviously in pain quite a bit but he was a badass and just wanted to play. Nothing phased the guy. Felt like real men playing the game back then. Not that there isn't real men playing today but it was a different time.

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
And its only moving in one direction. It is only going to get easier to play offense. Sometimes defensive backs look like they are road cones.

Hence coaches like Kyle who can dial in great offensive plays will always be in demand.

The big money dictates this. They don't want their star players injured because they generate the revenue and cost a fortune now....These players are usually on offense etc.

The only thing I can think of is a smaller league like UFL going old school rules letting defenders defend, and seeing if that attracts fans. Imo it would attract more hardcore fans like these forums, but not the average fan.

Kyle will be on in about 10 mins. 104.5 KNBR

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Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Imagine Joe Montana playing in a league where he can't be hit.

Roger Craig in this era. Or Jerry Rice.

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I wonder what those guys who played in leather helmets with no face masks were saying about Joe Montana?

Each era is different, but this is about as soft as it gets until you see flag football in the Olympics.

Nice that Shanahan is being shown that rookies can contribute. His instinct to not play them unless forced to by injury holds the team back.