49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
Where did I say I expected a plug & play upgrade to Shannahan?

I've never even said he should be replaced but what I find to be the funniest part is that people think the only alternative to Shannahan is the end of days.

And no one said that either. Putting perspective on the situation in SF and across the league is what most folks are doing.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
Assume Brock stays upright. Also if he plays Allen over dobbs he should fired on the spot for stupidity but that's a different discussion. I just want to know your threshold. What will it take? For me it's two years of underperforming. This year and next. What is it for you? Qualify your answer anyway you want.

I don't know what it will take because I don't live in absolutes.

what's underperforming? Not winning a SB?

You wouldn't consider not winning a SB with the best roster in football underperforming?

No cause its tough to win a Super Bowl, not to mention consistently making the playoffs is tough as it is. But you act like Shanahan is suppose to win the Super Bowl every year with this roster.

Once you get to the SB it comes down to more than just having the best roster. Bad bounces like that muffed punt can turn a game around. Facing a great QB (not just a good one) is another factor. If it was just about having the best roster NE wouldn't have won all those SBs because they didn't have a great roster. Especially o offense. It was Brady, Belichick and a solid defense combined with good breaks.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
A non answer when given the opportunity to qualify your response tells me you either have no threshold or you simply love arguing with fans who have legitimate concerns with the direction we are headed.

No it's because there's layers to all of it…it's not a black and white thing which is the problem with a lot of you and your debate on this.

I'm sure you were chicken little this time last yr when they lost 3 in a row

Sorry NY, another non answer. The NFL has clear success metrics. Winning more games than you lose is one of them. Making the post season is another. Then we have winning your division and your conference. The ultimate goal is the superbowl. If you lose more than you win the layers you refer to become pointless. This is a business. So once again, what would it take for you to support change? 2 years of a losing record? 3? 4?

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
This is where I'm at. There's no other replacement and I really don't want a replacement as Kyle is an offensive genius but his problem, and it's a massive problem is his inability to not completely fall apart at the the most crucial times. He's a choker... That is his main problem.

I don't believe in the coaches are chokers mentality. The players are on the field and have to execute.

Look at the 2 awful loses we had this season with blown 10 point leads. How many plays were missed by the players that had nothing to do with coaching?

Ronnie Bell drops a pass in his hands.
Moody misses the FG
50 yarder given up by the defense right after

And many more.

Cards
Moody injury
All the damn turnovers
Defense giving up the 4th down
Hell even had a good play wipe away a very likely game winning pick 6 by Warner.

But I do think there are issues with Kyle's scheme that hurt us when trying to put games away. The teams that do a great job of closing out wins are power running teams who can simply push you out of the way and grind the clock. We have smaller more athletic lineman out there so when we try to run to close out games it's not the same. The issue is you can't just sub out your whole line(or part of it) and move to a different scheme when you have the lead.

Players just have to stop being sloppy, do their jobs and execute the plays that ARE there to be made.

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And how many years does this new regime get to win it all? How long are they allowed to lose a couple games in a row before the mob starts up again?

folks want to take two steps back in hopes that it's 4 steps forward…but there's absolutely no chance they give that new regime yrs to build their team and go through growing pains….not after going to SBs and constant playoffs games.

Folks can't even name a legit candidate that would do better than Kyle. IMO the same people wanting him fired are the same fans that think firing their HC every couple yrs will magically change it all. Like we have it bad here here and aren't in contention for division titles, playoff games, NFCC games and SB games currently

I don't want him fired, I'm just rightfully frustrated as all fans should be. I know we can't let a top 3 offensive mind in the game out of the building, but sometimes I wish we had him in a coordinator or quality control role with someone else handling hc duties. Especially after 7 years with no change

This is where I'm at. There's no other replacement and I really don't want a replacement as Kyle is an offensive genius but his problem, and it's a massive problem is his inability to not completely fall apart at the the most crucial times. He's a choker... That is his main problem.

A true genius does not have his team ranked 30th for red zone efficiency. Not with all the weapons we have.

I'm pretty sure the Chiefs are right near us in that regard. I do agree that not having CMC shouldn't be such a major switch up for us. We have to score TDs.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Once you get to the SB it comes down to more than just having the best roster. Bad bounces like that muffed punt can turn a game around. Facing a great QB (not just a good one) is another factor. If it was just about having the best roster NE wouldn't have won all those SBs because they didn't have a great roster. Especially o offense. It was Brady, Belichick and a solid defense combined with good breaks.

Exactly, it's not a best of 5 series where the better team usually wins it out. One game, which gets affected by on the moment s**t that has nothing to do with coaching like a muffed punt by a rookie player, OPOY fumbling in the RZ, two freak injuries mid game, a QB missing a wide open WR streaking downfield late in the game etc etc.

people get so upset about play calling…Kyle literally was running the ball late last game to get that TD and Mason fumbles. Yet none of that s**t matters to some. It's the HC whom they NEVER congratulate for the W but blame for the L "bEcAUse hIs THe hC" it's impossible for them to be objective.

we win a game and they're nowhere to be found. A loss and they won't stop talking. The true always lies somewhere in the middle. People hate that apparently

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And how many years does this new regime get to win it all? How long are they allowed to lose a couple games in a row before the mob starts up again?

folks want to take two steps back in hopes that it's 4 steps forward…but there's absolutely no chance they give that new regime yrs to build their team and go through growing pains….not after going to SBs and constant playoffs games.

Folks can't even name a legit candidate that would do better than Kyle. IMO the same people wanting him fired are the same fans that think firing their HC every couple yrs will magically change it all. Like we have it bad here here and aren't in contention for division titles, playoff games, NFCC games and SB games currently

I don't want him fired, I'm just rightfully frustrated as all fans should be. I know we can't let a top 3 offensive mind in the game out of the building, but sometimes I wish we had him in a coordinator or quality control role with someone else handling hc duties. Especially after 7 years with no change

This is where I'm at. There's no other replacement and I really don't want a replacement as Kyle is an offensive genius but his problem, and it's a massive problem is his inability to not completely fall apart at the the most crucial times. He's a choker... That is his main problem.

A true genius does not have his team ranked 30th for red zone efficiency. Not with all the weapons we have.

I'm pretty sure the Chiefs are right near us in that regard. I do agree that not having CMC shouldn't be such a major switch up for us. We have to score TDs.

KC is currently 30th and SF is 29th….Reid is a genius though! FWIW SF had been top 10 in RZ success rate multiple yrs.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
This is where I'm at. There's no other replacement and I really don't want a replacement as Kyle is an offensive genius but his problem, and it's a massive problem is his inability to not completely fall apart at the the most crucial times. He's a choker... That is his main problem.

I don't believe in the coaches are chokers mentality. The players are on the field and have to execute.

Look at the 2 awful loses we had this season with blown 10 point leads. How many plays were missed by the players that had nothing to do with coaching?

Ronnie Bell drops a pass in his hands.
Moody misses the FG
50 yarder given up by the defense right after

And many more.

Cards
Moody injury
All the damn turnovers
Defense giving up the 4th down
Hell even had a good play wipe away a very likely game winning pick 6 by Warner.

But I do think there are issues with Kyle's scheme that hurt us when trying to put games away. The teams that do a great job of closing out wins are power running teams who can simply push you out of the way and grind the clock. We have smaller more athletic lineman out there so when we try to run to close out games it's not the same. The issue is you can't just sub out your whole line(or part of it) and move to a different scheme when you have the lead.

Players just have to stop being sloppy, do their jobs and execute the plays that ARE there to be made.

Maybe coaches can help out without putting their teams in those positions. How about putting a team out of its misery when you have the chance ? How about continuing to ride the momentum instead of going into a shell and becoming conservative ? How about getting the ball with 1:30 left in a half after your start DE makes an INT and not dwindling the clock down to 5 seconds despite having multiple TOs, forcing your team into urgency mode and limiting the plays they can call to score a TD, then trotting your punter out to make a miracle FG?

Maybe if the coach doesn't put the team in those positions, we have a chance to win. Maybe Shanahan goes to Schneider in the final moments of that Rams game and tells him to tell Wish to kick it out of bounds. Maybe Kyle tries to score a TD by being aggressive (4 downs) on one of those 6 trips in the red zone last week?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And how many years does this new regime get to win it all? How long are they allowed to lose a couple games in a row before the mob starts up again?

folks want to take two steps back in hopes that it's 4 steps forward…but there's absolutely no chance they give that new regime yrs to build their team and go through growing pains….not after going to SBs and constant playoffs games.

Folks can't even name a legit candidate that would do better than Kyle. IMO the same people wanting him fired are the same fans that think firing their HC every couple yrs will magically change it all. Like we have it bad here here and aren't in contention for division titles, playoff games, NFCC games and SB games currently

I don't want him fired, I'm just rightfully frustrated as all fans should be. I know we can't let a top 3 offensive mind in the game out of the building, but sometimes I wish we had him in a coordinator or quality control role with someone else handling hc duties. Especially after 7 years with no change

This is where I'm at. There's no other replacement and I really don't want a replacement as Kyle is an offensive genius but his problem, and it's a massive problem is his inability to not completely fall apart at the the most crucial times. He's a choker... That is his main problem.

A true genius does not have his team ranked 30th for red zone efficiency. Not with all the weapons we have.

I'm pretty sure the Chiefs are right near us in that regard. I do agree that not having CMC shouldn't be such a major switch up for us. We have to score TDs.

KC is currently 30th and SF is 29th….Reid is a genius though! FWIW SF had been top 10 in RZ success rate multiple yrs.

He's won 3 super bowls in the last 5 years lol. Get outta here with that s**t.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And how many years does this new regime get to win it all? How long are they allowed to lose a couple games in a row before the mob starts up again?

folks want to take two steps back in hopes that it's 4 steps forward…but there's absolutely no chance they give that new regime yrs to build their team and go through growing pains….not after going to SBs and constant playoffs games.

Folks can't even name a legit candidate that would do better than Kyle. IMO the same people wanting him fired are the same fans that think firing their HC every couple yrs will magically change it all. Like we have it bad here here and aren't in contention for division titles, playoff games, NFCC games and SB games currently

I don't want him fired, I'm just rightfully frustrated as all fans should be. I know we can't let a top 3 offensive mind in the game out of the building, but sometimes I wish we had him in a coordinator or quality control role with someone else handling hc duties. Especially after 7 years with no change

This is where I'm at. There's no other replacement and I really don't want a replacement as Kyle is an offensive genius but his problem, and it's a massive problem is his inability to not completely fall apart at the the most crucial times. He's a choker... That is his main problem.

A true genius does not have his team ranked 30th for red zone efficiency. Not with all the weapons we have.

I'm pretty sure the Chiefs are right near us in that regard. I do agree that not having CMC shouldn't be such a major switch up for us. We have to score TDs.

Yup we are slightly better than the chiefs but they are undefeated….

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And how many years does this new regime get to win it all? How long are they allowed to lose a couple games in a row before the mob starts up again?

folks want to take two steps back in hopes that it's 4 steps forward…but there's absolutely no chance they give that new regime yrs to build their team and go through growing pains….not after going to SBs and constant playoffs games.

Folks can't even name a legit candidate that would do better than Kyle. IMO the same people wanting him fired are the same fans that think firing their HC every couple yrs will magically change it all. Like we have it bad here here and aren't in contention for division titles, playoff games, NFCC games and SB games currently

I don't want him fired, I'm just rightfully frustrated as all fans should be. I know we can't let a top 3 offensive mind in the game out of the building, but sometimes I wish we had him in a coordinator or quality control role with someone else handling hc duties. Especially after 7 years with no change

This is where I'm at. There's no other replacement and I really don't want a replacement as Kyle is an offensive genius but his problem, and it's a massive problem is his inability to not completely fall apart at the the most crucial times. He's a choker... That is his main problem.

A true genius does not have his team ranked 30th for red zone efficiency. Not with all the weapons we have.

I'm pretty sure the Chiefs are right near us in that regard. I do agree that not having CMC shouldn't be such a major switch up for us. We have to score TDs.

KC is currently 30th and SF is 29th….Reid is a genius though! FWIW SF had been top 10 in RZ success rate multiple yrs.

He's won 3 super bowls in the last 5 years lol. Get outta here with that s**t.

Yeah NY, you lose even more credibility with remarks like that.

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And how many years does this new regime get to win it all? How long are they allowed to lose a couple games in a row before the mob starts up again?

folks want to take two steps back in hopes that it's 4 steps forward…but there's absolutely no chance they give that new regime yrs to build their team and go through growing pains….not after going to SBs and constant playoffs games.

Folks can't even name a legit candidate that would do better than Kyle. IMO the same people wanting him fired are the same fans that think firing their HC every couple yrs will magically change it all. Like we have it bad here here and aren't in contention for division titles, playoff games, NFCC games and SB games currently

I don't want him fired, I'm just rightfully frustrated as all fans should be. I know we can't let a top 3 offensive mind in the game out of the building, but sometimes I wish we had him in a coordinator or quality control role with someone else handling hc duties. Especially after 7 years with no change

This is where I'm at. There's no other replacement and I really don't want a replacement as Kyle is an offensive genius but his problem, and it's a massive problem is his inability to not completely fall apart at the the most crucial times. He's a choker... That is his main problem.

A true genius does not have his team ranked 30th for red zone efficiency. Not with all the weapons we have.

I'm pretty sure the Chiefs are right near us in that regard. I do agree that not having CMC shouldn't be such a major switch up for us. We have to score TDs.

KC is currently 30th and SF is 29th….Reid is a genius though! FWIW SF had been top 10 in RZ success rate multiple yrs.

He's won 3 super bowls in the last 5 years lol. Get outta here with that s**t.

Yea but did he really win a Super Bowl? Or was it his players and assistant coaches ? According to NY, we're overstating the responsibility of the head coach.

Originally posted by DrEll:
lol, talk about spin. It's not Kyle's fault, it's the dozen coaches and the 53 players that failed to execute fault.

the excuses are pathetic

So you're not a Doctor and you didn't play sports. Gotcha.

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And how many years does this new regime get to win it all? How long are they allowed to lose a couple games in a row before the mob starts up again?

folks want to take two steps back in hopes that it's 4 steps forward…but there's absolutely no chance they give that new regime yrs to build their team and go through growing pains….not after going to SBs and constant playoffs games.

Folks can't even name a legit candidate that would do better than Kyle. IMO the same people wanting him fired are the same fans that think firing their HC every couple yrs will magically change it all. Like we have it bad here here and aren't in contention for division titles, playoff games, NFCC games and SB games currently

I don't want him fired, I'm just rightfully frustrated as all fans should be. I know we can't let a top 3 offensive mind in the game out of the building, but sometimes I wish we had him in a coordinator or quality control role with someone else handling hc duties. Especially after 7 years with no change

This is where I'm at. There's no other replacement and I really don't want a replacement as Kyle is an offensive genius but his problem, and it's a massive problem is his inability to not completely fall apart at the the most crucial times. He's a choker... That is his main problem.

A true genius does not have his team ranked 30th for red zone efficiency. Not with all the weapons we have.

I'm pretty sure the Chiefs are right near us in that regard. I do agree that not having CMC shouldn't be such a major switch up for us. We have to score TDs.

Yup we are slightly better than the chiefs but they are undefeated….

Do you think their defense has anything to do with that? They've given up 17 points per game. Had our defense done the same this team would be 4-0-1 right now.

That's the whole thing. Kyle has had to change his DC 3 times now. Only 1 of those times was due to firing the guy he had. Andy has had Spags with him since 2019. He's got 0 SB wins without the man.

That goes a LONG way to helping win games.

I love Kyle, but I do have some serious concerns about whether he's good enough to win a super bowl or not.

Not to point the finger or anything, but his team does seem to have meltdowns ( Issues with execution ) towards end of games ( super bowls ). We can't really use the "he just needs a good QB" excuse anymore, cause he has one of the best out right now.

That being said, Kyle could be around for awhile yet, so you might as well get use to It and enjoy the free ride and hopefully he's the one to get us #6