49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I don't think I'll ever be a "fire Shanahan" guy -- he turned the worst team in the league into a perennial Super Bowl contender -- but he absolutely has to be better too.

It was embarrassing that two guys missed a block on one player. It was embarrassing that we couldn't get a single yard in short yardage all game with our RB. It was laughable that Reid was the only one running screens to counter pressure all game while Kyle left Brock in to get lit up and continue to be inaccurate struggling against the blitz.

Kyle had a bad day. Some of his warts were really highlighted.

Yeah, against maybe the best team in the league and one of the best defenses in the league. My problem with the "had a bad day" is that he never seems to learn from them or treat the warts…

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:

Who the f**k doesn't go for two when you're down two? what was the rationale for taking the extra point?

the rational is....you are having a problem running, and 3 of your top 4 targets are injured... Most Jr High level kickers can hit an extra point...your punter and probably FB can hit an extra point...so I dont think many teams expect to miss an extra point.

I can only guess, Shanny did not trust they could get 2 yards with the tight rezone issues they have had this season, and the specific issues they were having in this game. So maybe...it was a confidence thing, they wanted to take the points, and get the offense back to the side line after a success. So they can build on it, and felt that boost was worth more then 1 point, and they control one more possible failure.

Math wise, it makes little sense otherwise. The defense averages 23 points against them per game...so to beat the season average the offense need to score 2 more TDs or a td and two more FGs so 14-12 or 14-13 really does not make a ton of sense...

The only way not going for two points makes sense is for it to not matter, IE the defense does not give up a single point the rest of the game and you can win it with a FG.

If they trade FGs, you loose out, if you trade TDs you loose out. The only thing it does is add one extra score your team needs the other team does not need.

You have to get to an absurd amount of FGs to have that extra point matter. So if KC went (14), FG, FG,FG,FG (26) the 49ers could win with 2 TDs (13) TD, TD.

That scenario would end with a 27-26 49ers victory.

Controlling momentum, lack of trust in your offensive line, and 4th and 5th string WRs, and trusting your defense can get a stop are the only things that make sense.

I agree wholeheartedly with the first part… the reason Kyle doesn't take the easy answers is because he thinks the defense is scheming to take away the easy answers….'so the easy answers are actually the incorrect answers.

the definition of over-thinking it. And he'll use the film review to further justify it. "It was there we just didn't execute". And that mentality has cost us in big moments over and over again. He legitimately has 239 regard for past results when considering future decisions. "My scheme should have worked" is good enough for him. Which lends itself to a prominent idea on these boards that he needs the best possible players to be successful in tough situations.

it would be a breath of fresh air to see us run the ball every down inside the 5-7 yard line. And perhaps attempt a couple different gaps. The inside lanes being clogged shouldn't always doom us to consecutive pass plays. Try another f**king lane kyle

and if we have multiple mistakes on each play, simplify the god damn playbook.

Well.....

yeah....but nothing works all the time in the NFL. No scheme works every single time, even for dynasty teams....all you can do is hope things workout as often as possible, and you have enough dynamic players on the team that when stuff fails...because...it is going to fail....the talent on the field can over come it.

As Tom Brady was saying on the broadcast...the Dynasty Pats rolled in 17-0 and got choked out against this defensive system.

At the end of the day...one team was able to "overcome" their system with a bizarre crazy helmet catch....the other team scored 14 points and lost the game.

So yeah....at the end to the day...players have to make a difference.

As far as the playbook goes..... yeah...dude....when you can't get people in the right spots...something has to change.....

We have farrrrr to many players pointing other players to the right spots on both sides of the ball. We are loosing games because players do not understand where they need to be.

It is probably clearer on defense...but it is happening on both sides of the ball.

I don't know what you can really do mid-season to crash course guys into a more reliable set of plays....but it is something that needs to happen next year. Under the CBA you only have a few hours per week for this stuff, so you really cannot just change stuff mid-season. We are getting to a point that college offense is getting as complex if not more complex than the NFL due to the restrictions in the CBA.

The NFL is completely reliant on the players studying on the own time, they simply do not have the time to coach players like they did previous eras.

As far as the defense goes....teams are only allowed 11 full speed practices in pads the first 11 weeks of the league year. They are an hour each. So you have a VERY limited about time to really diagnose corrections in tackling/blocking/pass-rushing/run defense issues outside of game tape.

Very limited amount of practice time in general, with a limited amount of time for coaches to actually coach...it is going to be tough to dig out of a hole with so many new faces on offense and defense.

You are 100% correct, it probably would be better to have at least half your playbook for complex stuff, and half your playbook pretty bullet proof..just incase you have seasons like this and have rookies allover the place on offense and defense.

Tom Moore... one of my favorite coaches of all time, famously only had a handful of plays...but they ran them to perfection. When you think of Barry Sanders, Brett Perlman and Herman Moore..and those 2 1000 yard WR tandems ....dude was great.... Peyton Manning and his great RBs/WRs...again.. Tom Moore

I dont remember the exact numbers of plays Tom Moore ran...but it was less then 10..they had a system that could shift those plays left, center or right...and a call to rotate patterns.... again I dont remember what the total was...but for example for 10 plays you had 90 combinations. On a center play the passing might have just been as called, left shift pattern would flex outside the hash, right...inside the hash....you get the idea. Run play would be more obvious... end of the day....it was simpler for a WR or whatever to know what he was doing

Point being, maybe there is some value to having at least some of the playbook be simplified.

The CBA the players wanted is killing the quality of the game. These guys need coaching and to practice way more.

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by BYisGod:

Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:
Just like Harbaugh in 2014, I'm over Kyle. He's taken us as far as he's going to

This season has a very similar feel to it.

This is crazy talk. Harbaugh never got a chance to strip the team and start over. He had great success with a core of players he inherited and almost won the SB. I thought that firing was stupid. Let him reload, draft his type of guys, move on from Kaepernick, and begin again. Same with Kyle and John. Let them start over and somehow purge some of these contracts. There's such a high chance of not hitting on the next coach it's crazy

This. They canned Harbs after going 8-8. He never had a losing season here. Harbs would have eventually got a ring for us I have no doubt in my mind.

Originally posted by ninersrule4:
This. They canned Harbs after going 8-8. He never had a losing season here. Harbs would have eventually got a ring for us I have no doubt in my mind.

Hahaha no he wouldn't have. He was losing all his vets and developed next to no one.

3 yrs of bad drafting, he left this team in a wasteland of s**t.

Lecturing Brock in the locker room after the loss in front of teammates and reporter was pretty shameful on Kyle's party. Man knows people are watching.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by ninersrule4:
This. They canned Harbs after going 8-8. He never had a losing season here. Harbs would have eventually got a ring for us I have no doubt in my mind.

Hahaha no he wouldn't have. He was losing all his vets and developed next to no one.

3 yrs of bad drafting, he left this team in a wasteland of s**t.

One of the best coaches in football and you laugh at him winning a Super Bowl? That is certainly a choice...

Originally posted by derrickt:
Lecturing Brock in the locker room after the loss in front of teammates and reporter was pretty shameful on Kyle's party. Man knows people are watching.

Brock should be lucky he didn't ask him to clean out his locker in front of other people.

Originally posted by derrickt:
Lecturing Brock in the locker room after the loss in front of teammates and reporter was pretty shameful on Kyle's party. Man knows people are watching.

The only thing that would of been shameful for Kyle is not talking to Brock after a terrible game.

They let Leo Chanel just pound them.
Offensive line had no answers, Kittle couldn't block him, and he just straight up owned Juszczyk

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:

Originally posted by derrickt:
Lecturing Brock in the locker room after the loss in front of teammates and reporter was pretty shameful on Kyle's party. Man knows people are watching.

Brock should be lucky he didn't ask him to clean out his locker in front of other people.

Right. Brock needed his ass chewed the f**k out. should be running extra laps for that s**t.

Originally posted by MBNINER90266:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I don't think I'll ever be a "fire Shanahan" guy -- he turned the worst team in the league into a perennial Super Bowl contender -- but he absolutely has to be better too.

It was embarrassing that two guys missed a block on one player. It was embarrassing that we couldn't get a single yard in short yardage all game with our RB. It was laughable that Reid was the only one running screens to counter pressure all game while Kyle left Brock in to get lit up and continue to be inaccurate struggling against the blitz.

Kyle had a bad day. Some of his warts were really highlighted.

Yeah, against maybe the best team in the league and one of the best defenses in the league. My problem with the "had a bad day" is that he never seems to learn from them or treat the warts…

The chiefs are not the best team in the league. Just wait until the niners play Detroit. They may get dog walked

Originally posted by socalfan21:
The chiefs are not the best team in the league. Just wait until the niners play Detroit. They may get dog walked

49ers win by at lest 2 TDs. Detroit has no defense.

It's time for a mini-rebuild or at least a refresh under these guys. Team is old at some critical positions. Shanahan also needs to come up with a different game plan to counter what the league is throwing at them and draft accordingly. Unfortunately we have drafted poorly over the last few years, especially in the trenches where it matters most.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Funny , I said this in week two. The dude overthinks. Its his blessing and his curse. He needs to figure out how to simply it.

I think this also applies to how he drafts etc. too many baffling decisions since day one especially the past few years since the Lance trade up. This rookie class looks to be good for whatever reason by making mostly good choices, but any more of the status quo (ie wasting 3rd rounders on bust RBs and overdrafted project TEs) then this roster is cooked. Since Kyle will assuredly be keeping his GM powers, he needs to fix that approach too. With his over-thinking nature, I think the extra responsibility compounds the issue more. He just needs to be an HC only imo.

Oh and please…..STOP NEGLECTING THE OL! I will be livid and lose complete faith in Kyle if he destroys Purdy like Grigson did to Andrew Luck.

I never really expected us to beat the Chiefs anyway Tbh, but to play as sloppy as we did yesterday was quite comical.

From seeing two OL trying to block one guy and completely whiffing, Mahomes trucking Mustapha, Mahomes embarrassing Warner and the rest of the defense on that long run was Infuriating to watch. Then you had Brock doing his best Impression of Jimmy G.

It honestly feels like Kyle Is struggling to get this team fired up for game day right now.

With how weak our division Is, I'd still be surprised if we're not winners come end of the season.