49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by RonnieLott:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
They say a team takes on the head coaches' traits.

Kyle has a huge Ego.

We are a team full of huge Egos.

In football, ego is a dirty word.

It's too much ego and unwillingness to change. The NFL caught up to him now. He doesn't make adjustments. Just the same old stale, dumb, idiot plays that don't work anymore. He can't even beat man on man. For years in a row. What NFL coach struggles like that? It's unbelievable he is a head coach. He's useless.

Spot on SD49er, Kyle would rather lose his way than win. His Ego is massive. I mean Andy Reid made three adjustments and ran sweeps and Kyle had no answer or at very least Kyle said, "I will not try and change my defence" and Andy Reid just kept pilling on the same thing and Kyle didn't change, nothing.

Kyle just watched like a petulant child who has had his ice cream taken away from him.

Yeah I agree.

Not winning a SB with the lineup he was given is worth a firing.

Having a losing record with that line up demands a firing.

Originally posted by HONEYBADGER:
Not winning a SB with the lineup he was given is worth a firing.

Having a losing record with that line up demands a firing.

why hasn't John Harbs been fired? Great roster for the past decade. 2x MVP QB and can't even make it to a SB with him. Tomlin should have been fired a long time ago according to this dumb take.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
why hasn't John Harbs been fired? Great roster for the past decade. 2x MVP QB and can't even make it to a SB with him. Tomlin should have been fired a long time ago according to this dumb take.

Because to the 49er fan base losing in the SB is worse than not making the playoffs or losing in the playoffs.

49er fans want to win the SB or go 0-17 and fire the HC. There's no inbetween.

Bringing a new HC in every year until one wins the SB is clearly the way to go.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by HONEYBADGER:
Not winning a SB with the lineup he was given is worth a firing.

Having a losing record with that line up demands a firing.

why hasn't John Harbs been fired? Great roster for the past decade. 2x MVP QB and can't even make it to a SB with him. Tomlin should have been fired a long time ago according to this dumb take.

I wish folks would stop saying fired and start saying criticized/questioned which is what is really happening.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by HONEYBADGER:
Not winning a SB with the lineup he was given is worth a firing.

Having a losing record with that line up demands a firing.

why hasn't John Harbs been fired? Great roster for the past decade. 2x MVP QB and can't even make it to a SB with him. Tomlin should have been fired a long time ago according to this dumb take.

I wish folks would stop saying fired and start saying criticized/questioned which is what is really happening.

The problem is when the criticizing/questioning is done without context. John Harbaugh and Tomlin are brought up because it's context - guys who haven't even been to a SB since before Kyle was a HC, yet nobody is holding their feet to the fire because they're "winners" based one game from 12 and 16 years ago, respectively. They aren't as good of winners as Kyle has been in a decade, yet Kyle is a "loser"? That doesn't hash out.

49er fans have no patience. Nobody likes a down season, but things don't always turn on a dime. Kyle deserves a little time to see if he can both right this season, and if that doesn't quite work he also deserved time to see if they can reshape the team for 2025-2026. Don't fall into the trap of the Eagles ditching Reid, or the Browns ditching Belichick - or the 49ers ditching Jim Harbaugh. One should have to see sustained failure for a much longer time than a few weeks to make that move, especially after three years of sustained success. And yes, the last three years WERE sustained success in HC terms even I they didn't end with a SB win. There's degrees of success, and while not the pinnacle, the last three years were damn good ones overall.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by HONEYBADGER:
Not winning a SB with the lineup he was given is worth a firing.

Having a losing record with that line up demands a firing.

why hasn't John Harbs been fired? Great roster for the past decade. 2x MVP QB and can't even make it to a SB with him. Tomlin should have been fired a long time ago according to this dumb take.

I wish folks would stop saying fired and start saying criticized/questioned which is what is really happening.

The problem is when the criticizing/questioning is done without context. John Harbaugh and Tomlin are brought up because it's context - guys who haven't even been to a SB since before Kyle was a HC, yet nobody is holding their feet to the fire because they're "winners" based one game from 12 and 16 years ago, respectively. They aren't as good of winners as Kyle has been in a decade, yet Kyle is a "loser"? That doesn't hash out.

49er fans have no patience. Nobody likes a down season, but things don't always turn on a dime. Kyle deserves a little time to see if he can both right this season, and if that doesn't quite work he also deserved time to see if they can reshape the team for 2025-2026. Don't fall into the trap of the Eagles ditching Reid, or the Browns ditching Belichick - or the 49ers ditching Jim Harbaugh. One should have to see sustained failure for a much longer time than a few weeks to make that move, especially after three years of sustained success. And yes, the last three years WERE sustained success in HC terms even I they didn't end with a SB win. There's degrees of success, and while not the pinnacle, the last three years were damn good ones overall.

I would expect there are plenty of Steelers and Ravens fans b***hing about them not winning the Superbowl

Originally posted by HONEYBADGER:
Not winning a SB with the lineup he was given is worth a firing.

Having a losing record with that line up demands a firing.

he wasn't given anything, he built the roster from nothing.

his record with SF is 75-59. not a losing record

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by HONEYBADGER:
Not winning a SB with the lineup he was given is worth a firing.

Having a losing record with that line up demands a firing.

why hasn't John Harbs been fired? Great roster for the past decade. 2x MVP QB and can't even make it to a SB with him. Tomlin should have been fired a long time ago according to this dumb take.

I wish folks would stop saying fired and start saying criticized/questioned which is what is really happening.

The problem is when the criticizing/questioning is done without context. John Harbaugh and Tomlin are brought up because it's context - guys who haven't even been to a SB since before Kyle was a HC, yet nobody is holding their feet to the fire because they're "winners" based one game from 12 and 16 years ago, respectively. They aren't as good of winners as Kyle has been in a decade, yet Kyle is a "loser"? That doesn't hash out.

49er fans have no patience. Nobody likes a down season, but things don't always turn on a dime. Kyle deserves a little time to see if he can both right this season, and if that doesn't quite work he also deserved time to see if they can reshape the team for 2025-2026. Don't fall into the trap of the Eagles ditching Reid, or the Browns ditching Belichick - or the 49ers ditching Jim Harbaugh. One should have to see sustained failure for a much longer time than a few weeks to make that move, especially after three years of sustained success. And yes, the last three years WERE sustained success in HC terms even I they didn't end with a SB win. There's degrees of success, and while not the pinnacle, the last three years were damn good ones overall.

I understand your point and tend to agree for the most part. But for me it's not a patience thing anymore…. I'm starting to believe we won't have another shot at winning it all under Kyle. Not all of it is his fault, some of it is.

im starting to believe his scheme is what makes us successful against good teams, but also what keeps us from being able to beat great teams. I also think a few of his philosophies are limiting factor, like the little interest in special teams and low emphasis on offensive line. The stats say he's unable to win gritty games consistently… I believe this has as much to do with his priorities in talent-acquisition as it does his scheme.

i won't go so far as to call for him to be fired anymore. My impatience has turned to indifference. He's shown zero interest in adjusting his philosophies… what we've done is what we'll continue to do… be a playoff-caliber team that can't compete with certain defensive schemes and won't tend to win the gritty games. The ball bounces against more often than it doesn't… on this large of a timeline the bad bounces of the game aren't the result of bad luck.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by HONEYBADGER:
Not winning a SB with the lineup he was given is worth a firing.

Having a losing record with that line up demands a firing.

why hasn't John Harbs been fired? Great roster for the past decade. 2x MVP QB and can't even make it to a SB with him. Tomlin should have been fired a long time ago according to this dumb take.

I wish folks would stop saying fired and start saying criticized/questioned which is what is really happening.

The problem is when the criticizing/questioning is done without context. John Harbaugh and Tomlin are brought up because it's context - guys who haven't even been to a SB since before Kyle was a HC, yet nobody is holding their feet to the fire because they're "winners" based one game from 12 and 16 years ago, respectively. They aren't as good of winners as Kyle has been in a decade, yet Kyle is a "loser"? That doesn't hash out.

49er fans have no patience. Nobody likes a down season, but things don't always turn on a dime. Kyle deserves a little time to see if he can both right this season, and if that doesn't quite work he also deserved time to see if they can reshape the team for 2025-2026. Don't fall into the trap of the Eagles ditching Reid, or the Browns ditching Belichick - or the 49ers ditching Jim Harbaugh. One should have to see sustained failure for a much longer time than a few weeks to make that move, especially after three years of sustained success. And yes, the last three years WERE sustained success in HC terms even I they didn't end with a SB win. There's degrees of success, and while not the pinnacle, the last three years were damn good ones overall.

lol 49ers fans have no patience. Let's see. No SB wins in 30 years. 3 SB losses in the past 10, 2 of them where we up by double digits.

Kyle's fanbase's response…have some patience, it's not easy losing Super bowls, let alone win one.

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by HONEYBADGER:
Not winning a SB with the lineup he was given is worth a firing.

Having a losing record with that line up demands a firing.

why hasn't John Harbs been fired? Great roster for the past decade. 2x MVP QB and can't even make it to a SB with him. Tomlin should have been fired a long time ago according to this dumb take.

I wish folks would stop saying fired and start saying criticized/questioned which is what is really happening.

The problem is when the criticizing/questioning is done without context. John Harbaugh and Tomlin are brought up because it's context - guys who haven't even been to a SB since before Kyle was a HC, yet nobody is holding their feet to the fire because they're "winners" based one game from 12 and 16 years ago, respectively. They aren't as good of winners as Kyle has been in a decade, yet Kyle is a "loser"? That doesn't hash out.

49er fans have no patience. Nobody likes a down season, but things don't always turn on a dime. Kyle deserves a little time to see if he can both right this season, and if that doesn't quite work he also deserved time to see if they can reshape the team for 2025-2026. Don't fall into the trap of the Eagles ditching Reid, or the Browns ditching Belichick - or the 49ers ditching Jim Harbaugh. One should have to see sustained failure for a much longer time than a few weeks to make that move, especially after three years of sustained success. And yes, the last three years WERE sustained success in HC terms even I they didn't end with a SB win. There's degrees of success, and while not the pinnacle, the last three years were damn good ones overall.

I understand your point and tend to agree for the most part. But for me it's not a patience thing anymore…. I'm starting to believe we won't have another shot at winning it all under Kyle. Not all of it is his fault, some of it is.

im starting to believe his scheme is what makes us successful against good teams, but also what keeps us from being able to beat great teams. I also think a few of his philosophies are limiting factor, like the little interest in special teams and low emphasis on offensive line. The stats say he's unable to win gritty games consistently… I believe this has as much to do with his priorities in talent-acquisition as it does his scheme.

i won't go so far as to call for him to be fired anymore. My impatience has turned to indifference. He's shown zero interest in adjusting his philosophies… what we've done is what we'll continue to do… be a playoff-caliber team that can't compete with certain defensive schemes and won't tend to win the gritty games. The ball bounces against more often than it doesn't… on this large of a timeline the bad bounces of the game aren't the result of bad luck.

This is fair criticism.

I was thinking I do not see the point in constantly comparing one coach to another, but we have 8 years of data on Kyle. Has he improved himself? I think yes and no. So many areas of discussion with a HC its hard to even put it all together, but you made some great points. I think a lot can be attributed to the coaching turnover, but nobody cares, he has to keep finding good ones.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by HONEYBADGER:
Not winning a SB with the lineup he was given is worth a firing.

Having a losing record with that line up demands a firing.

why hasn't John Harbs been fired? Great roster for the past decade. 2x MVP QB and can't even make it to a SB with him. Tomlin should have been fired a long time ago according to this dumb take.

I wish folks would stop saying fired and start saying criticized/questioned which is what is really happening.

The problem is when the criticizing/questioning is done without context. John Harbaugh and Tomlin are brought up because it's context - guys who haven't even been to a SB since before Kyle was a HC, yet nobody is holding their feet to the fire because they're "winners" based one game from 12 and 16 years ago, respectively. They aren't as good of winners as Kyle has been in a decade, yet Kyle is a "loser"? That doesn't hash out.

49er fans have no patience. Nobody likes a down season, but things don't always turn on a dime. Kyle deserves a little time to see if he can both right this season, and if that doesn't quite work he also deserved time to see if they can reshape the team for 2025-2026. Don't fall into the trap of the Eagles ditching Reid, or the Browns ditching Belichick - or the 49ers ditching Jim Harbaugh. One should have to see sustained failure for a much longer time than a few weeks to make that move, especially after three years of sustained success. And yes, the last three years WERE sustained success in HC terms even I they didn't end with a SB win. There's degrees of success, and while not the pinnacle, the last three years were damn good ones overall.

I understand your point and tend to agree for the most part. But for me it's not a patience thing anymore…. I'm starting to believe we won't have another shot at winning it all under Kyle. Not all of it is his fault, some of it is.

im starting to believe his scheme is what makes us successful against good teams, but also what keeps us from being able to beat great teams. I also think a few of his philosophies are limiting factor, like the little interest in special teams and low emphasis on offensive line. The stats say he's unable to win gritty games consistently… I believe this has as much to do with his priorities in talent-acquisition as it does his scheme.

i won't go so far as to call for him to be fired anymore. My impatience has turned to indifference. He's shown zero interest in adjusting his philosophies… what we've done is what we'll continue to do… be a playoff-caliber team that can't compete with certain defensive schemes and won't tend to win the gritty games. The ball bounces against more often than it doesn't… on this large of a timeline the bad bounces of the game aren't the result of bad luck.

This is fair criticism.

I was thinking I do not see the point in constantly comparing one coach to another, but we have 8 years of data on Kyle. Has he improved himself? I think yes and no. So many areas of discussion with a HC its hard to even put it all together, but you made some great points. I think a lot can be attributed to the coaching turnover, but nobody cares, he has to keep finding good ones.

Thing is, the defensive adjustments to his offense are brand new. This is all a reaction to how the Chiefs D played the SB. Gotta give him some actual time to see if he'll find a way to counter. It may take a full offseason as the problem being beyond just the Chiefs didn't reveal itself until the season started, and the personnel really can't be changed mid-season, aside from some key IR returns. He's earned the time to make that attempt. We have past evidence of him doing both midseason adjustments to end rough periods (2021 and 2023), and we have past evidence of him adjusting to down seasons that were derailed in part by injuries (2018>2019, 2020>2021).

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by HONEYBADGER:
Not winning a SB with the lineup he was given is worth a firing.

Having a losing record with that line up demands a firing.

why hasn't John Harbs been fired? Great roster for the past decade. 2x MVP QB and can't even make it to a SB with him. Tomlin should have been fired a long time ago according to this dumb take.

Maybe because John Harbs has already won one SB for the Ravens and only has 2 losing records in 15 seasons. Kyle has lost two SB's and has had 3 losing seasons here looking to add a 4th in 8 seasons here.

Originally posted by captveg:
Because to the 49er fan base losing in the SB is worse than not making the playoffs or losing in the playoffs.

49er fans want to win the SB or go 0-17 and fire the HC. There's no inbetween.

Bringing a new HC in every year until one wins the SB is clearly the way to go.

Bet they can't wait to hire Doug Peterson then lol

Originally posted by jcs:
Maybe because John Harbs has already won one SB for the Ravens and only has 2 losing records in 15 seasons. Kyle has lost two SB's and has had 3 losing seasons here looking to add a 4th in 8 seasons here.

Who gives a flying f**k what a Head Coach did over a decade ago? why should what you did in 2012 or 2008 matter in 2024?

lol so if they just got above .500 that's all that matters? Bunch of hypocrites