49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Shanahan like all HC's in the NFL needs a damn good DC to back him up, Nick Sorensen just isn't that guy.

This!!

Shanny had good DC hires, in Saleh and Ryans. I think Wilks was gonna be good, and indeed we were 3rd in ppg, but Kyle handcuffed Wilks and said you can't run your blitz heavy stuff, you have to run our stuff. so kyle set us up for a stale D that doesn't innovate, he's too controlling on that side of the ball and it is costing us right now.

I think Shanahan has a lot of input on the defensive side of the ball because he sees the holes. After all wouldn't you have been pissed off at your DC calling a Cover 0 and they give up a huge TD. Granted that call could've gone either way cause Ward did have good coverage on Addison, but it didn't. So most likely if Wilks took the conservative approach at that time chances are the defense would've held up.

Shanahan did try and get Spags and Belichick to run the defense. I don't think and IMO that shows he wants someone he can leave the defense totally in the DC's hands instead of watching over their shoulders.

You can't blame that on the coach. Ward had the int right in his hands and simply didn't make the play. The coach put the player in position to make the play.

Originally posted by lamontb:
You can't blame that on the coach. Ward had the int right in his hands and simply didn't make the play. The coach put the player in position to make the play.

i hate to dreg up the old stuff, but you look at Reid, he just hires a great DC and gets out of the way. that's what Shanny should do also. Jed gets out of the way of Kyle and Kyle needs to let his DC go to work. he spent a full season last year meddling in the process, and now he hired his guy to run his stuff, well he's got to live with the results of his decisions here. we were 3rd in ppg last year, now 16th.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by MBNINER90266:
Why isn't Kyle running more motion and pick plays and other routes to get the WRs on the move against man. We clearly can't shake the coverage when they just line up and press us? I don't get it.

his GIMMICK offense has been figured out.. .been telling you all that for the past 6 years...

His "gimmick" offense has been copied all around the league. It's not a gimmick offense anymore than the T formation was. It's just a way to attack defenses. Now that defenses have seemingly found a way to slow it down they will need to find some new wrinkles. Maybe getting CMC back will be all they need.

But why isn't he doing those simple things I've outlined above. Every week we are just lining guys up on the outside with a defender a foot away. No wonder they can't separate.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by lamontb:
You can't blame that on the coach. Ward had the int right in his hands and simply didn't make the play. The coach put the player in position to make the play.

i hate to dreg up the old stuff, but you look at Reid, he just hires a great DC and gets out of the way. that's what Shanny should do also. Jed gets out of the way of Kyle and Kyle needs to let his DC go to work. he spent a full season last year meddling in the process, and now he hired his guy to run his stuff, well he's got to live with the results of his decisions here. we were 3rd in ppg last year, now 16th.

Reid has been fortunate with the career arc of Spagnola though. He's a busted flush as a Head Coach (11-41 record), so is happy to sit at DC. Whereas Shanahan has been good at spotting up-and-coming guys, who then get headhunted for HC posts.
Imagine if we could have had a couple more seasons of DeMeco (and McDaniel for that matter!). Could have made the difference.

Originally posted by joeknows:
Reid has been fortunate with the career arc of Spagnola though. He's a busted flush as a Head Coach (11-41 record), so is happy to sit at DC. Whereas Shanahan has been good at spotting up-and-coming guys, who then get headhunted for HC posts.
Imagine if we could have had a couple more seasons of DeMeco (and McDaniel for that matter!). Could have made the difference.

yeah that was a brilliant move from Reid. you can only make that move if you give your DC full autonomy. doubt Spags wants anyone telling him to run it a certain way. he wants to run his D. i think Shanny can be a better delegator. he did poorly on that last year, very poorly.

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Shanahan like all HC's in the NFL needs a damn good DC to back him up, Nick Sorensen just isn't that guy.

This!!

Shanny had good DC hires, in Saleh and Ryans. I think Wilks was gonna be good, and indeed we were 3rd in ppg, but Kyle handcuffed Wilks and said you can't run your blitz heavy stuff, you have to run our stuff. so kyle set us up for a stale D that doesn't innovate, he's too controlling on that side of the ball and it is costing us right now.

I think Shanahan has a lot of input on the defensive side of the ball because he sees the holes. After all wouldn't you have been pissed off at your DC calling a Cover 0 and they give up a huge TD. Granted that call could've gone either way cause Ward did have good coverage on Addison, but it didn't. So most likely if Wilks took the conservative approach at that time chances are the defense would've held up.

Shanahan did try and get Spags and Belichick to run the defense. I don't think and IMO that shows he wants someone he can leave the defense totally in the DC's hands instead of watching over their shoulders.

You can't blame that on the coach. Ward had the int right in his hands and simply didn't make the play. The coach put the player in position to make the play.

You're right that's why I said it could go either way. But the call didn't work out that's why Wilks is blamed for it.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by joeknows:
Reid has been fortunate with the career arc of Spagnola though. He's a busted flush as a Head Coach (11-41 record), so is happy to sit at DC. Whereas Shanahan has been good at spotting up-and-coming guys, who then get headhunted for HC posts.
Imagine if we could have had a couple more seasons of DeMeco (and McDaniel for that matter!). Could have made the difference.

yeah that was a brilliant move from Reid. you can only make that move if you give your DC full autonomy. doubt Spags wants anyone telling him to run it a certain way. he wants to run his D. i think Shanny can be a better delegator. he did poorly on that last year, very poorly.

Last season he delegated too much if anything. Wilks needed responsibility taken away from him, not added to imo.

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Nah you're dead wrong. You can't say that Kyle is a better coach than John Harbaugh because he lost 2 Super Bowls recently and John won his more than a decade ago. That's a ridiculous comparison and you have a tendency to do that just to protect your boy Kyle.

Kyle has lost this team. Your dynasty run is over. The end result was 2 SB losses and 2 NFCC losses. 3 of those 4 games should have been won because the team was up double digits. You don't want accept it because you assume that Kyle will eventually win one because of luck OR you're convinced the next coach will bring us back to the early 00s. The irony of your previous joke about hiring Pederson is that he replaced Andy Reid and won a SB. Who woulda thunk ?

Question, just curious here. How long should a head coach be given before he is fired? Also, how long between Super Bowl wins should a head coach have before he gets fired?

Now. It's not just that he's lost two Super Bowls. It's the manner by which he lost them. In essence, basically relying on the same stale scheme. Not being able to close out KC when you had them down. We blamed Jimmy for 2019. Some excuses the run game, saying Mostert wasn't getting it done in that second half. 5 years later we have Purdy and CMC. Same problems. Same issues.

Which just proves that Kyle has no interest in evolving. He wants to keep everything the same. It goes beyond the playbook. Look at how he tests his players. Cowing got more done on 2 pass catches vs KC than Ronnie Bell has his entire career. Wanna bet who gets majority playing time next week vs Dallas ? Guys like Brendel, Campbell, Bell constantly seeing the field despite actively losing us games. Any change ? Of course not. Why ? Because you have an egotistical coach fixated on his scheme and his players. His way or the highway. Was like that in 2019 when we lost to KC. Was like that this past Sunday.

time to hit the refresh button.

Originally posted by miked1978:
Question, just curious here. How long should a head coach be given before he is fired? Also, how long between Super Bowl wins should a head coach have before he gets fired?

you can observe kyle he gave the DC 9 months and fired him. it's all up to whoever is making the hiring and firing moves. so Jed.

but yeah kyle fires coaches and players all the time, essentially. they don't get 9 years or however much. how much time did Trey get? bad move and you move on. but kyle is a good coach here. but he didn't handle the wilks move well.

Originally posted by joeknows:
Last season he delegated too much if anything. Wilks needed responsibility taken away from him, not added to imo.

Faithful lives in a pretend world where Steve Wilks is actually good.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

very good
beats the Dallas flowchart every day of the week, doesn't it

Originally posted by DrEll:
Now. It's not just that he's lost two Super Bowls. It's the manner by which he lost them. In essence, basically relying on the same stale scheme. Not being able to close out KC when you had them down. We blamed Jimmy for 2019. Some excuses the run game, saying Mostert wasn't getting it done in that second half. 5 years later we have Purdy and CMC. Same problems. Same issues.

Which just proves that Kyle has no interest in evolving. He wants to keep everything the same. It goes beyond the playbook. Look at how he tests his players. Cowing got more done on 2 pass catches vs KC than Ronnie Bell has his entire career. Wanna bet who gets majority playing time next week vs Dallas ? Guys like Brendel, Campbell, Bell constantly seeing the field despite actively losing us games. Any change ? Of course not. Why ? Because you have an egotistical coach fixated on his scheme and his players. His way or the highway. Was like that in 2019 when we lost to KC. Was like that this past Sunday.

time to hit the refresh button.

So you think a coach needs to change offensive schemes after losing a Super Bowl?

Losing 2 super bowl sucks but at the same time winning a super bowl takes a lot of luck to go your way and we just don't have any it seems. The 49ers took the Chiefs to OT in this last Super Bowl and if a play or 2 went our way we would have won the game. Kyle didnt cause CMC to fumble when we were literally shoving the ball down the Chiefs throat. Kyle didnt make Moddy miss that field goal. Kyle didn't tell Burford to miss that block. All of those plays we in position to score. But yet the scheme sucks...

We can talk crap all we want about Kyle's "tired" scheme but most of the time his offense moves the ball down the field and puts the team in position to score just as much as the best offenses in the league, hence we are top 5-10 every year, but sometimes poor execution causes us to lose. Purdy had 2 really bad interceptions this last game. I don't blame Kyle for that. Thats on Purdy to know if the play isnt there to throw the ball away.

I agree with you on Ronnie Bell and Campbell. But you're not going to agree with everything a coach does. we also don't know whats happening behind closed doors. Heck Cowing may only know a fraction of the playbook, we just don't know. Pearsall leapt both Bell and Cowing so that should maybe tell you something.

Originally posted by miked1978:
So you think a coach needs to change offensive schemes after losing a Super Bowl?

Losing 2 super bowl sucks but at the same time winning a super bowl takes a lot of luck to go your way and we just don't have any it seems. The 49ers took the Chiefs to OT in this last Super Bowl and if a play or 2 went our way we would have won the game. Kyle didnt cause CMC to fumble when we were literally shoving the ball down the Chiefs throat. Kyle didnt make Moddy miss that field goal. Kyle didn't tell Burford to miss that block. All of those plays we in position to score. But yet the scheme sucks...

We can talk crap all we want about Kyle's "tired" scheme but most of the time his offense moves the ball down the field and puts the team in position to score just as much as the best offenses in the league, hence we are top 5-10 every year, but sometimes poor execution causes us to lose. Purdy had 2 really bad interceptions this last game. I don't blame Kyle for that. Thats on Purdy to know if the play isnt there to throw the ball away.

I agree with you on Ronnie Bell and Campbell. But you're not going to agree with everything a coach does. we also don't know whats happening behind closed doors. Heck Cowing may only know a fraction of the playbook, we just don't know. Pearsall leapt both Bell and Cowing so that should maybe tell you something.

It tells you he was a 1st round pick.

some of these takes are beyond pathetic....

Shanny was in position to beat the chiefs and could not get it done with his a rookie WR playing in his first game, a rookie WR coming back from injury, and a 7th round WR....oh yeah.....and a rookie undrafted RB.....and if we really want to pile on, he is on his 3rd kicker of the season....

Shocker....the 4th, 5th and 6th WRs, 3rd string RB and I guess what we would call a 3rd string, can't get a job in the NFL kicker... were not enough to beat the undefeated defending superbowl champions....