49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I've been a Kyle supporter all along and thnk he's doing a decent job considering all the internal coaching changes and the injuries and holdouts they had this season. However I've always felt he was an OC at his core and I wish they coud have kept Harbaugh as HC and hired Kyle as OC. That would have been ideal assuming they could get along. Harbaugh doesn't get the recognition he deserves because he's so quirky and sometimes is hard to wok with. He's the only coach I can think of that has been very successful everywhere he's gone from small college to a brainy school like Stanford. Then to the Niners and back to college. Now he's got the Chargers playing really good even without any great WRs. The guy just seem to get the best out of his players.

1. They run completely different systems, it would of been like when Kyle was in Cleveland.

2. Kyle would of left to be a head coach and i'm 100% sure fans who complained about Harbaugh then and are complaining about Shanahan now, would of been suggesting we should of fired Harbaugh and kept Shanahan. Its what fans do.

You're probably right. That's why I said assuming they could get along. If Harbaugh could have seen that Kyle's offense was more explosive than his. Harbaugh likes a good running game. So does Kyle. They just approach it differently. What Harbaugh really brings is line of scrimmage toughness. That' his signature on all his teams.

When he was at Stanford they gave Chip Kelly and Oregon fits because they often dominated the line of scrimmage. He did it at Michigan against OSU. His teams are always tough and nasty. I don't see that as much in Kyle's teams.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I've been a Kyle supporter all along and thnk he's doing a decent job considering all the internal coaching changes and the injuries and holdouts they had this season. However I've always felt he was an OC at his core and I wish they coud have kept Harbaugh as HC and hired Kyle as OC. That would have been ideal assuming they could get along. Harbaugh doesn't get the recognition he deserves because he's so quirky and sometimes is hard to wok with. He's the only coach I can think of that has been very successful everywhere he's gone from small college to a brainy school like Stanford. Then to the Niners and back to college. Now he's got the Chargers playing really good even without any great WRs. The guy just seem to get the best out of his players.

1. They run completely different systems, it would of been like when Kyle was in Cleveland.

2. Kyle would of left to be a head coach and i'm 100% sure fans who complained about Harbaugh then and are complaining about Shanahan now, would of been suggesting we should of fired Harbaugh and kept Shanahan. Its what fans do.

You're probably right. That's why I said assuming they could get along. If Harbaugh could have seen that Kyle's offense was more explosive than his. Harbaugh likes a good running game. So does Kyle. They just approach it differently. What Harbaugh really brings is line of scrimmage toughness. That' his signature on all his teams.

When he was at Stanford they gave Chip Kelly and Oregon fits because they often dominated the line of scrimmage. He did it at Michigan against OSU. His teams are always tough and nasty. I don't see that as much in Kyle's teams.

Outside of this year, we've always played really tough football under Kyle, age and wear and tear is just catching up to some players now. Not sure what you mean.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Outside of this year, we've always played really tough football under Kyle, age and wear and tear is just catching up to some players now. Not sure what you mean.

He probably meant players specifically that were and are tough on Harbaughs teams. Like the maulers they had on the offensive line in 2011, 2012 and 2013

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I've been a Kyle supporter all along and thnk he's doing a decent job considering all the internal coaching changes and the injuries and holdouts they had this season. However I've always felt he was an OC at his core and I wish they coud have kept Harbaugh as HC and hired Kyle as OC. That would have been ideal assuming they could get along. Harbaugh doesn't get the recognition he deserves because he's so quirky and sometimes is hard to wok with. He's the only coach I can think of that has been very successful everywhere he's gone from small college to a brainy school like Stanford. Then to the Niners and back to college. Now he's got the Chargers playing really good even without any great WRs. The guy just seem to get the best out of his players.

1. They run completely different systems, it would of been like when Kyle was in Cleveland.

2. Kyle would of left to be a head coach and i'm 100% sure fans who complained about Harbaugh then and are complaining about Shanahan now, would of been suggesting we should of fired Harbaugh and kept Shanahan. Its what fans do.

You're probably right. That's why I said assuming they could get along. If Harbaugh could have seen that Kyle's offense was more explosive than his. Harbaugh likes a good running game. So does Kyle. They just approach it differently. What Harbaugh really brings is line of scrimmage toughness. That' his signature on all his teams.

When he was at Stanford they gave Chip Kelly and Oregon fits because they often dominated the line of scrimmage. He did it at Michigan against OSU. His teams are always tough and nasty. I don't see that as much in Kyle's teams.

Outside of this year, we've always played really tough football under Kyle, age and wear and tear is just catching up to some players now. Not sure what you mean.

I disagree. I'm not saying the Niners have been cupcakes but we haven't dominated on the O line for a few years Other than Trent it's been average at best. The defensive line hasn't been dominant either. The Niners have been trying to find a consistent edge rusher to complement Bosa. The interior line doesn't have a dominant run stopper. Partly because of the wide 9 but they don't have a stout guy in that middle. The LBs aren't as good since Al-Shaair left.

Stat wise they're still okay but whenI watch the games I'm not seeing as many 3 and outs as I would like. The offense isn't getting that great field position as much. Not seeing as many sacks by the defense. I saw plays last night when the Jets just overwhelmed the Rams and Stafford was buried. We don't see that a lot with the Niners. When they get pressure it's one guy breaking through and then the QB often is able to roll away and get the pass off.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I've been a Kyle supporter all along and thnk he's doing a decent job considering all the internal coaching changes and the injuries and holdouts they had this season. However I've always felt he was an OC at his core and I wish they coud have kept Harbaugh as HC and hired Kyle as OC. That would have been ideal assuming they could get along. Harbaugh doesn't get the recognition he deserves because he's so quirky and sometimes is hard to wok with. He's the only coach I can think of that has been very successful everywhere he's gone from small college to a brainy school like Stanford. Then to the Niners and back to college. Now he's got the Chargers playing really good even without any great WRs. The guy just seem to get the best out of his players.

1. They run completely different systems, it would of been like when Kyle was in Cleveland.

2. Kyle would of left to be a head coach and i'm 100% sure fans who complained about Harbaugh then and are complaining about Shanahan now, would of been suggesting we should of fired Harbaugh and kept Shanahan. Its what fans do.

You're probably right. That's why I said assuming they could get along. If Harbaugh could have seen that Kyle's offense was more explosive than his. Harbaugh likes a good running game. So does Kyle. They just approach it differently. What Harbaugh really brings is line of scrimmage toughness. That' his signature on all his teams.

When he was at Stanford they gave Chip Kelly and Oregon fits because they often dominated the line of scrimmage. He did it at Michigan against OSU. His teams are always tough and nasty. I don't see that as much in Kyle's teams.

Outside of this year, we've always played really tough football under Kyle, age and wear and tear is just catching up to some players now. Not sure what you mean.

I disagree. I'm not saying the Niners have been cupcakes but we haven't dominated on the O line for a few years Other than Trent it's been average at best. The defensive line hasn't been dominant either. The Niners have been trying to find a consistent edge rusher to complement Bosa. The interior line doesn't have a dominant run stopper. Partly because of the wide 9 but they don't have a stout guy in that middle. The LBs aren't as good since Al-Shaair left.

Stat wise they're still okay but whenI watch the games I'm not seeing as many 3 and outs as I would like. The offense isn't getting that great field position as much. Not seeing as many sacks by the defense. I saw plays last night when the Jets just overwhelmed the Rams and Stafford was buried. We don't see that a lot with the Niners. When they get pressure it's one guy breaking through and then the QB often is able to roll away and get the pass off.

Trenches I agree, they haven't been at JH level. Outside of that we definitely drafted players who play hard. From guys like Deebo, Jennings, Kittle, to defensive players like Warner, Greenlaw, Lenoir, Mustapha.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I've been a Kyle supporter all along and thnk he's doing a decent job considering all the internal coaching changes and the injuries and holdouts they had this season. However I've always felt he was an OC at his core and I wish they coud have kept Harbaugh as HC and hired Kyle as OC. That would have been ideal assuming they could get along. Harbaugh doesn't get the recognition he deserves because he's so quirky and sometimes is hard to wok with. He's the only coach I can think of that has been very successful everywhere he's gone from small college to a brainy school like Stanford. Then to the Niners and back to college. Now he's got the Chargers playing really good even without any great WRs. The guy just seem to get the best out of his players.

1. They run completely different systems, it would of been like when Kyle was in Cleveland.

2. Kyle would of left to be a head coach and i'm 100% sure fans who complained about Harbaugh then and are complaining about Shanahan now, would of been suggesting we should of fired Harbaugh and kept Shanahan. Its what fans do.

You're probably right. That's why I said assuming they could get along. If Harbaugh could have seen that Kyle's offense was more explosive than his. Harbaugh likes a good running game. So does Kyle. They just approach it differently. What Harbaugh really brings is line of scrimmage toughness. That' his signature on all his teams.

When he was at Stanford they gave Chip Kelly and Oregon fits because they often dominated the line of scrimmage. He did it at Michigan against OSU. His teams are always tough and nasty. I don't see that as much in Kyle's teams.

Outside of this year, we've always played really tough football under Kyle, age and wear and tear is just catching up to some players now. Not sure what you mean.

I disagree. I'm not saying the Niners have been cupcakes but we haven't dominated on the O line for a few years Other than Trent it's been average at best. The defensive line hasn't been dominant either. The Niners have been trying to find a consistent edge rusher to complement Bosa. The interior line doesn't have a dominant run stopper. Partly because of the wide 9 but they don't have a stout guy in that middle. The LBs aren't as good since Al-Shaair left.

Stat wise they're still okay but whenI watch the games I'm not seeing as many 3 and outs as I would like. The offense isn't getting that great field position as much. Not seeing as many sacks by the defense. I saw plays last night when the Jets just overwhelmed the Rams and Stafford was buried. We don't see that a lot with the Niners. When they get pressure it's one guy breaking through and then the QB often is able to roll away and get the pass off.

Trenches I agree, they haven't been at JH level. Outside of that we definitely drafted players who play hard. From guys like Deebo, Jennings, Kittle, to defensive players like Warner, Greenlaw, Lenoir, Mustapha.

No problems there. That's the difference though. Kyle goes after offensive weapons while Harbaugh looks to dominate the line of scrimmage. If you dominate the O and D line you can win with average players at the skill positions. On the other hand if you have great RBs or a great QB they can't perform if they're getting stuffed.

So, legit question.

What is the RZ difference from last year to this year?

Is it because we had a coach that we don't have now?

Is it personnel? Is it solely related to CMC being out?

Anyone have an idea for what's plaguing this team?

Originally posted by PatandBow:
So, legit question.

What is the RZ difference from last year to this year?

Is it because we had a coach that we don't have now?

Is it personnel? Is it solely related to CMC being out?

Anyone have an idea for what's plaguing this team?

I think it's the decline of run blocking. Being able to run the ball in the red zone helps a lot. Doesn't seem like they can do that as well this season. Having their best RB back from injury should help.

This article suggests it's league wide that red zone offense success is down.

https://www.sportsinfosolutions.com/2024/09/26/study-whats-going-on-with-red-zone-offense/
Overall, success in the red zone has declined faster than success in non red zone situations. Specifically, the accuracy of quarterbacks has dropped off a cliff in the red zone but has increased in non red zone situations. Running the ball leads to more success when the field gets smaller, so teams that can do that successfully have an advantage.

Originally posted by thl408:
This article suggests it's league wide that red zone offense success is down.

https://www.sportsinfosolutions.com/2024/09/26/study-whats-going-on-with-red-zone-offense/
Overall, success in the red zone has declined faster than success in non red zone situations. Specifically, the accuracy of quarterbacks has dropped off a cliff in the red zone but has increased in non red zone situations. Running the ball leads to more success when the field gets smaller, so teams that can do that successfully have an advantage.

Overall success is down, but didn't we go from #1 to nearly last? CMC's absence is the most glaring reason, but I'd like to see them target Kittle and JJ more in the RZ. Take advantage of those big bodies and give them opportunities to go get it. Kittle's TD was such a thing of beauty last week,