49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by the_dynasty:

Originally posted by 49erKing:
Does the Zone IP ban users? They can easily block all VPN and hotspot connections as well.

LOL

Ya they can't unfortunately. Thats why mods should stop with the bans, they always come back on new accounts. Put them TOs instead.

They used to be able to for sure. 100%.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by PatandBow:
NYniner85 I appreciate you asking me questions instead of taking the easy route of your peers and breaking the rules to make your point.

I have high expectations what can I say? I mean I grew up in the 80's.
My expectations are to win a Super Bowl every year.

Shanahan has won a ton of games. He's a great Offensive Coordinator.

I think he's a horrible Head Coach because of all of his blunders with Clock Management, Rules etc.

The guy is arrogant and doesn't hold himself accountable.

It's extremely difficult to look past the history of meltdowns and losses in the biggest games that he has on his resume.

I'm sorry for wanting to win Super Bowls and not lose them.

I grew up in the 80s I saw a lot of winning and that's why I'm a SF fan in NY. I also watched a ton of losing for the past 2 decades. Folks got stop acting like Bill Walsh is gonna walk thru that door. That s**t is done. It's been forever.

There Isn't a single person here that doesn't want a SB. Acting like that s**t is easy is being ignorant. I disagree he's a bad HC. He's setup a culture where the expectations is winning going to playoffs and SBs.

Did you look past the 20 yrs of meltdowns with Andy? I mean Tomlin hasn't won s**t in 15 yrs and nothing with his team. Harbs hasn't done anything in over a decade and that's with a 2X MVP at QB. LaFleur is too busy choking to SF to even make it to the SB etc etc.

I get being upset but use some perspective with what's happened elsewhere.

Point taken. Question for you….

Do you agree or disagree that Kyle wears too many hats?

Originally posted by PatandBow:
Point taken. Question for you….

Do you agree or disagree that Kyle wears too many hats?

I think he wears as many hats as a lot of other high end HCs. Folks remember when he had McDaniels/lafleur/Slowik/kubiak etc as his passing game or running game coordinator?

His coaching staff has been depleted more than anyone else in the NFL the past 7 years.

I think Kyle actually gives his coaches a ton of responsibilities. He's just the final say in regards to the offense. I think his overall passing concepts aren't anything special. His running game is very good, when people are executing properly.

we've had way too many early down penalties and piss poor run-blocking to make everything work. Once were forced into consistent passing plays, that's when the s**t hits the fan. We don't have the true pass blockers. The play calling isn't amazing. We lost our best separating WR….and while I love Brock I don't view him as some elite level QB that can make chicken salad out of chicken s**t.

Originally posted by PatandBow:
Point taken. Question for you….

Do you agree or disagree that Kyle wears too many hats?

wearing hats is kind of his thing

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by PatandBow:
Point taken. Question for you….

Do you agree or disagree that Kyle wears too many hats?

wearing hats is kind of his thing

ba dum tss

One of my biggest issues with KS is he rarely gets aggressive on 4th down. Coaches all over the NFL have been doing this now for the past 5-10 years. We should have gone for the 1st down on 4th and < 1 yard on the initial series. It doesn't matter that the ball is at the 38. A punt there and a 3 and out is a huge swing in the game flow towards Seattle. As expected, they drove down and got 3 points. We also should have gone for the 4th and 6 at the Seattle 42. It's not as crazy as it sounds. A first down there wins the game. You have the whole field to work with. The punter ended up kicking it into the end zone for a net 22 yard punt. These are just a few examples. The worst of course is the 4th and 1 in the 2021 NFCCG @ LAR when Shanahan turtled up and punted from the LAR 44 midway through the 4th with a 3 point lead. A TD on that drive, or at least burning another 4-5 minutes would have sent us to the SB to face a Bengals team we already beat.

He also doesn't have a 4 minute offense. We've lost the 2019 SB, 2021 NFCCG, 2023 SB and a few regular season games because of this.

Originally posted by Leathaface:
One of my biggest issues with KS is he rarely gets aggressive on 4th down. Coaches all over the NFL have been doing this now for the past 5-10 years. We should have gone for the 1st down on 4th and < 1 yard on the initial series. It doesn't matter that the ball is at the 38. A punt there and a 3 and out is a huge swing in the game flow towards Seattle. As expected, they drove down and got 3 points. We also should have gone for the 4th and 6 at the Seattle 42. It's not as crazy as it sounds. A first down there wins the game. You have the whole field to work with. The punter ended up kicking it into the end zone for a net 22 yard punt. These are just a few examples. The worst of course is the 4th and 1 in the 2021 NFCCG @ LAR when Shanahan turtled up and punted from the LAR 44 midway through the 4th with a 3 point lead. A TD on that drive, or at least burning another 4-5 minutes would have sent us to the SB to face a Bengals team we already beat.

He also doesn't have a 4 minute offense. We've lost the 2019 SB, 2021 NFCCG, 2023 SB and a few regular season games because of this.

Concur with all. He's cost the Niners just as much as he's contributed to winning.

4th and 1 in the NFCCG Rams game, I'll never forget. What a coward.

Originally posted by Darkness49ers:

Originally posted by Leathaface:
One of my biggest issues with KS is he rarely gets aggressive on 4th down. Coaches all over the NFL have been doing this now for the past 5-10 years. We should have gone for the 1st down on 4th and < 1 yard on the initial series. It doesn't matter that the ball is at the 38. A punt there and a 3 and out is a huge swing in the game flow towards Seattle. As expected, they drove down and got 3 points. We also should have gone for the 4th and 6 at the Seattle 42. It's not as crazy as it sounds. A first down there wins the game. You have the whole field to work with. The punter ended up kicking it into the end zone for a net 22 yard punt. These are just a few examples. The worst of course is the 4th and 1 in the 2021 NFCCG @ LAR when Shanahan turtled up and punted from the LAR 44 midway through the 4th with a 3 point lead. A TD on that drive, or at least burning another 4-5 minutes would have sent us to the SB to face a Bengals team we already beat.

He also doesn't have a 4 minute offense. We've lost the 2019 SB, 2021 NFCCG, 2023 SB and a few regular season games because of this.

Concur with all. He's cost the Niners just as much as he's contributed to winning.

4th and 1 in the NFCCG Rams game, I'll never forget. What a coward.

This is some BS, this has already been debunked here years ago.

try to come up with real takes

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Darkness49ers:

Originally posted by Leathaface:
One of my biggest issues with KS is he rarely gets aggressive on 4th down. Coaches all over the NFL have been doing this now for the past 5-10 years. We should have gone for the 1st down on 4th and < 1 yard on the initial series. It doesn't matter that the ball is at the 38. A punt there and a 3 and out is a huge swing in the game flow towards Seattle. As expected, they drove down and got 3 points. We also should have gone for the 4th and 6 at the Seattle 42. It's not as crazy as it sounds. A first down there wins the game. You have the whole field to work with. The punter ended up kicking it into the end zone for a net 22 yard punt. These are just a few examples. The worst of course is the 4th and 1 in the 2021 NFCCG @ LAR when Shanahan turtled up and punted from the LAR 44 midway through the 4th with a 3 point lead. A TD on that drive, or at least burning another 4-5 minutes would have sent us to the SB to face a Bengals team we already beat.

He also doesn't have a 4 minute offense. We've lost the 2019 SB, 2021 NFCCG, 2023 SB and a few regular season games because of this.

Concur with all. He's cost the Niners just as much as he's contributed to winning.

4th and 1 in the NFCCG Rams game, I'll never forget. What a coward.

This is some BS, this has already been debunked here years ago.

try to come up with real takes

What is there to debunk? You make it sound like this is some conspiracy theory or urban legend that science discredited

He has had a lot of chances to be aggressive, take a chance, and win the game. He typically hasn't done so in the most key situations. He always leaves it up to the defense to shut the door on a game because his offense can never get that one time consuming scoring drive that puts a stranglehold on the game.

Despite the struggles this year, I still think he's a good OC and play designer. I think as a HC he leaves a lot to be desired, though.

Originally posted by Leathaface:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Darkness49ers:

Originally posted by Leathaface:
One of my biggest issues with KS is he rarely gets aggressive on 4th down. Coaches all over the NFL have been doing this now for the past 5-10 years. We should have gone for the 1st down on 4th and < 1 yard on the initial series. It doesn't matter that the ball is at the 38. A punt there and a 3 and out is a huge swing in the game flow towards Seattle. As expected, they drove down and got 3 points. We also should have gone for the 4th and 6 at the Seattle 42. It's not as crazy as it sounds. A first down there wins the game. You have the whole field to work with. The punter ended up kicking it into the end zone for a net 22 yard punt. These are just a few examples. The worst of course is the 4th and 1 in the 2021 NFCCG @ LAR when Shanahan turtled up and punted from the LAR 44 midway through the 4th with a 3 point lead. A TD on that drive, or at least burning another 4-5 minutes would have sent us to the SB to face a Bengals team we already beat.

He also doesn't have a 4 minute offense. We've lost the 2019 SB, 2021 NFCCG, 2023 SB and a few regular season games because of this.

Concur with all. He's cost the Niners just as much as he's contributed to winning.

4th and 1 in the NFCCG Rams game, I'll never forget. What a coward.

This is some BS, this has already been debunked here years ago.

try to come up with real takes

What is there to debunk? You make it sound like this is some conspiracy theory or urban legend that science discredited

He has had a lot of chances to be aggressive, take a chance, and win the game. He typically hasn't done so in the most key situations. He always leaves it up to the defense to shut the door on a game because his offense can never get that one time consuming scoring drive that puts a stranglehold on the game.

Despite the struggles this year, I still think he's a good OC and play designer. I think as a HC he leaves a lot to be desired, though.

He's the most aggressive coach there is, that's why this is BS

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
He's the most aggressive coach there is, that's why this is BS

Sure, I'll take your word for it.

Originally posted by Leathaface:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
He's the most aggressive coach there is, that's why this is BS

Sure, I'll take your word for it.

Like I said , been there debunked that. Care to come up with something real?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Leathaface:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
He's the most aggressive coach there is, that's why this is BS

Sure, I'll take your word for it.

Like I said , been there debunked that. Care to come up with something real?

I'm not sure how you define aggressive, but you are embarrassing yourself with this "debunked" talk and claiming that Kyle Shanahan is the "most aggressive" coach in the NFL. That is so beyond asinine that it's laughable.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by PatandBow:
Point taken. Question for you….

Do you agree or disagree that Kyle wears too many hats?

I think he wears as many hats as a lot of other high end HCs. Folks remember when he had McDaniels/lafleur/Slowik/kubiak etc as his passing game or running game coordinator?

His coaching staff has been depleted more than anyone else in the NFL the past 7 years.

I think Kyle actually gives his coaches a ton of responsibilities. He's just the final say in regards to the offense. I think his overall passing concepts aren't anything special. His running game is very good, when people are executing properly.

we've had way too many early down penalties and piss poor run-blocking to make everything work. Once were forced into consistent passing plays, that's when the s**t hits the fan. We don't have the true pass blockers. The play calling isn't amazing. We lost our best separating WR….and while I love Brock I don't view him as some elite level QB that can make chicken salad out of chicken s**t.

He's actually pretty good at making chicken salad out of chicken s**t. As in, buying time, scrambling, and making plays.

But I think I know what you mean by that last line, he's not a big arm QB that can make big plays with his arm without relying on good timing and anticipation.

But there's something off about him this year, I still think he has some kind of arm injury. There really is less zip on his balls, it's pretty noticable on the out routes, just doesn't look the same as previous seasons.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by PatandBow:
Point taken. Question for you….

Do you agree or disagree that Kyle wears too many hats?

wearing hats is kind of his thing

Don't tell anyone in the PL, but I chuckled.