49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I think he wears as many hats as a lot of other high end HCs. Folks remember when he had McDaniels/lafleur/Slowik/kubiak etc as his passing game or running game coordinator?

His coaching staff has been depleted more than anyone else in the NFL the past 7 years.

I think Kyle actually gives his coaches a ton of responsibilities. He's just the final say in regards to the offense. I think his overall passing concepts aren't anything special. His running game is very good, when people are executing properly.

we've had way too many early down penalties and piss poor run-blocking to make everything work. Once were forced into consistent passing plays, that's when the s**t hits the fan. We don't have the true pass blockers. The play calling isn't amazing. We lost our best separating WR….and while I love Brock I don't view him as some elite level QB that can make chicken salad out of chicken s**t.

If anything, Brock has consistently made chicken salad out of Shanahan's chicken s**t gameplans.

He's missed reads a plenty and hasn't been as accurate as you would hope. His mechanics overall aren't great right now. He's never gonna extend a play and throw a 60 yard rope downfield on a broken play. He can move and make stuff happen, not saying he can't….We were so use to Jimmy G that anything else looks like Josh Allen. Teams (from what I've seen) aren't defending Brock like they do with Allen/herbert/burrow/mahomes/jackson etc.

he's not gonna truck dudes running downfield like Allen does. He's not 6-5 240lbs. He is very much a rhythm passer, who depends on the running game to open s**t up. IMO his game is very similar to Baker mayfield, he just doesn't have the overall arm that Baker has.

what I'm saying is if you're paying a guy $250M to be the QB, he's gotta elevate everything. He's gotta take over a game and if the running game isn't working, it shouldn't be the end of the game. Love Brock, I just don't think he's ever gonna be in that elite tier of guys.

also moving off Kyle, means moving off Lynch and quite possibly Brock depending on whomever they hire…it more than likely means rebuilding rather than straight to SB championships. I know none of you are willing to do that.

Jed could definitely find a new regime that is on board with Brock.

Originally posted by PatandBow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Leathaface:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Leathaface:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Leathaface:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Leathaface:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
He's the most aggressive coach there is, that's why this is BS

Sure, I'll take your word for it.

Like I said , been there debunked that. Care to come up with something real?

I'm not sure how you define aggressive, but you are embarrassing yourself with this "debunked" talk and claiming that Kyle Shanahan is the "most aggressive" coach in the NFL. That is so beyond asinine that it's laughable.

Well it has been years ago.. when we get guys like you who don't know what their talking about

but it looks like you're not going to bring anything to discuss

Yes, you are truly fierce to debate. I get thrown off by people who can't differentiate between "they're" and "their" and then expect to be taken seriously.

oh yeah the typo excuse.. just say you can't bring anything to discuss and want to continue talking out the arse

. Sometimes it just isn't worth it. I don't expect you to understand.

Hey look it's the non mod police.

You can't have an opinion because I don't agree with you!

Did you just reply to him using your different handle? Leathaface?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
He's missed reads a plenty and hasn't been as accurate as you would hope. His mechanics overall aren't great right now. He's never gonna extend a play and throw a 60 yard rope downfield on a broken play. He can move and make stuff happen, not saying he can't….We were so use to Jimmy G that anything else looks like Josh Allen. Teams (from what I've seen) aren't defending Brock like they do with Allen/herbert/burrow/mahomes/jackson etc.

he's not gonna truck dudes running downfield like Allen does. He's not 6-5 240lbs. He is very much a rhythm passer, who depends on the running game to open s**t up. IMO his game is very similar to Baker mayfield, he just doesn't have the overall arm that Baker has.

what I'm saying is if you're paying a guy $250M to be the QB, he's gotta elevate everything. He's gotta take over a game and if the running game isn't working, it shouldn't be the end of the game. Love Brock, I just don't think he's ever gonna be in that elite tier of guys.

also moving off Kyle, means moving off Lynch and quite possibly Brock depending on whomever they hire…it more than likely means rebuilding rather than straight to SB championships. I know none of you are willing to do that.

Maybe, but I don't think we know that. Jed could ask him what he thinks about Ben Johnson. Lynch sees Kyle's not getting these guys ready to play. They're flat, don't know the SB overtime rules, way too many penalties, poor in game decisions, unable to hold leads, and what the H is he doing about ST and D, etc.

Originally posted by PatandBow:
Jed could definitely find a new regime that is on board with Brock.

So we need to find a better HC than Kyle AND they have to accept that Brock is their $250M QB throughout their tenure…how he plays will determine their if they get to keep their job long-term.

you sure about that?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
He's missed reads a plenty and hasn't been as accurate as you would hope. His mechanics overall aren't great right now. He's never gonna extend a play and throw a 60 yard rope downfield on a broken play. He can move and make stuff happen, not saying he can't….We were so use to Jimmy G that anything else looks like Josh Allen. Teams (from what I've seen) aren't defending Brock like they do with Allen/herbert/burrow/mahomes/jackson etc.

he's not gonna truck dudes running downfield like Allen does. He's not 6-5 240lbs. He is very much a rhythm passer, who depends on the running game to open s**t up. IMO his game is very similar to Baker mayfield, he just doesn't have the overall arm that Baker has.

what I'm saying is if you're paying a guy $250M to be the QB, he's gotta elevate everything. He's gotta take over a game and if the running game isn't working, it shouldn't be the end of the game. Love Brock, I just don't think he's ever gonna be in that elite tier of guys.

also moving off Kyle, means moving off Lynch and quite possibly Brock depending on whomever they hire…it more than likely means rebuilding rather than straight to SB championships. I know none of you are willing to do that.

With the last two slam dunk franchise changing can't miss QBs to come through the draft (Lawrence and Williams) I don't think dumping brock is the move. But I'm also not excited about stripping this team down to pay Brock.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
So we need to find a better HC than Kyle AND they have to accept that Brock is their $250M QB throughout their tenure…how he plays will determine their if they get to keep their job long-term.

you sure about that?

Technically speaking Kyle was the second best coach last year so the only way to get better is to hire Reid.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
Maybe, but I don't think we know that. Jed could ask him what he thinks about Ben Johnson. Lynch sees Kyle's not getting these guys ready to play. They're flat, don't know the SB overtime rules, way too many penalties, poor in game decisions, unable to hold leads, etc.

Kyle picked Lynch. Not the other way around. There will more likely than not be a new GM as well…those guys are tied together. I don't have great faith in Jed leading the search for that. No one should.

Crazy as it sounds, but not every coach or front office personnel thinks Brock is Drew Brees. Folks that have zero ties to him might not want to put ALL of their chips into him. He might not fit how they want to run their offense. There's a couple reasons why they might not want him as their guy.

Ben Johnson might not want to come to a team that has been super successful and fired a very well respected young HC. That's a f**k ton of pressure…now it's SB or bust from day 1.

he might want to go to a team with a young QB on a rookie deal (or a high draft pick to get one) who's expectations aren't SB or bust from day 1.

im surprised no one is talking about Zac Taylor being in the hot seat? 4-7 and really hasn't done much with a stud QB and good roster. That's an appealing job for a first time HC.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
People that continue to whine about not winning a SB need to realize that other than one team every fan base is complaining about the same thing. Every year we see 6-8 coaching changes as teams desperately try to find the right guy. Unfortunately that's not easy. Most fans can make a list of the greatest coaches ever as easy as they can the greatest QBs ever. That's because there are rarely more than a couple of great coaches in any era (15-20 year period) I'm talking greart coaches that win multiple SBs or are at least contending every year.

look at all those SB championships won from all the coaching changes..

but we can all ignore that it's been Reid and Shanny since 2019.. with shanny taking two different teams to the SB

I'm all about what can be done to improve. Its not like there's some obvious alternative out there we are optimistic about, so the fire stuff is stupid at this point.

Exactly. Nothing wrong with making changes when it's needed. If you have a coach that's disliked by the players then you need to make a change. If the team is sub .500 every year you need to make a change. When the coach was part of the rebuild that brought the team back t relevance there is no reason to make a change. If they have a couple bad years in a row then the situation changes. This team has had to overcome a lot of crucial injuries. Not jst injuries to backups or average players. Key players. It's been one thing fter another ll season

I was just listening to Donte Whitner he he pointed out that the Niners needed to make one or two more plays against the Rams, Cards and Seahawks to come out with wins. Not making those plays is the difference between 8-2 and 5-5.

Agreed, It has been a injury filled down year, but that's literally been the case since Kyle took over. One year good and healthy, the next injured and lacking.

As for changes I think on gamedays Kyle misses mcdaniels, lafleur etc so maybe bring in new blood and see if he gets some bright young guys to help. He needs to delegate more so he can work more with defense and ST since he's so focused on offense if that makes sense. Otherwise he needs a solid DC who has no promotional aspirations or wont be considered (Saleh?) as the turnover has simply been brutal and we need some continuity on that side of the ball. (this is probably my preferable scenario so he can keep his focus on offense) I'm also wondering if they should try a different defensive scheme, but not sure if that's any real benefit.

Aside that they need to take a different approach with the offensive line and keep drafting well.

The side question is injuries. I think its a product of consistent playoff runs and the wear and tear it naturally induces, but man is it frustrating.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
So we need to find a better HC than Kyle AND they have to accept that Brock is their $250M QB throughout their tenure…how he plays will determine their if they get to keep their job long-term.

you sure about that?

Technically speaking Kyle was the second best coach last year so the only way to get better is to hire Reid.

It's been 11 months since Kyle got drunk and lost the Super Bowl.

Sounds like you've been on a bender like Kyle and haven't watch the 2024 season yet.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
Maybe, but I don't think we know that. Jed could ask him what he thinks about Ben Johnson. Lynch sees Kyle's not getting these guys ready to play. They're flat, don't know the SB overtime rules, way too many penalties, poor in game decisions, unable to hold leads, etc.

Kyle picked Lynch. Not the other way around. There will more likely than not be a new GM as well…those guys are tied together. I don't have great faith in Jed leading the search for that. No one should.

Crazy as it sounds, but not every coach or front office personnel thinks Brock is Drew Brees. Folks that have zero ties to him might not want to put ALL of their chips into him. He might not fit how they want to run their offense. There's a couple reasons why they might not want him as their guy.

Ben Johnson might not want to come to a team that has been super successful and fired a very well respected young HC. That's a f**k ton of pressure…now it's SB or bust from day 1.

he might want to go to a team with a young QB on a rookie deal (or a high draft pick to get one) who's expectations aren't SB or bust from day 1.

im surprised no one is talking about Zac Taylor being in the hot seat? 4-7 and really hasn't done much with a stud QB and good roster. That's an appealing job for a first time HC.

Good points! I think a lot of these coaches need more experience before moving up. I wish current teams would expose OC and DC to the other side of the ball more as a growth model. Taylor is good on offense but my goodness their defense is bad. Similar could be said about Kyle, but you know what I mean.

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
So we need to find a better HC than Kyle AND they have to accept that Brock is their $250M QB throughout their tenure…how he plays will determine their if they get to keep their job long-term.

you sure about that?

Technically speaking Kyle was the second best coach last year so the only way to get better is to hire Reid.

It's been 11 months since Kyle got drunk and lost the Super Bowl.

Sounds like you've been on a bender like Kyle and haven't watch the 2024 season yet.

More projection

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
So we need to find a better HC than Kyle AND they have to accept that Brock is their $250M QB throughout their tenure…how he plays will determine their if they get to keep their job long-term.

you sure about that?

Technically speaking Kyle was the second best coach last year so the only way to get better is to hire Reid.

yeah I'm debating for no reason, nothing I say will change how they feel about it.

kyle isn't getting canned, nor should he be. This team was always gonna have a yr like this at some point. Health and age are hitting them hard. I think everyone agrees this was a damn good draft and if they can do that again this off season, there's no reason to assume they're not right back in it.

Kyle's been changing up his passing game this yr and in order for that to work they need some better personnel there. Better pass-blocking, more speed at the receiving spot. I know BA isn't your jam and he was under performing at the beginning of the year, but he's clearly been missed.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by PatandBow:
Jed could definitely find a new regime that is on board with Brock.

So we need to find a better HC than Kyle AND they have to accept that Brock is their $250M QB throughout their tenure…how he plays will determine their if they get to keep their job long-term.

you sure about that?

Yes and it won't be 1 individual. It will be a Head Coach and an Offensive Coordinator.

Don't act like it's not a desirable destination for a new Coach.

Brock is better than a handful of other quarterbacks out there.

The money is what it is. It could be 400 million, it's irrelevant. It's the market and we don't have any control over it.

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
So we need to find a better HC than Kyle AND they have to accept that Brock is their $250M QB throughout their tenure…how he plays will determine their if they get to keep their job long-term.

you sure about that?

Technically speaking Kyle was the second best coach last year so the only way to get better is to hire Reid.

It's been 11 months since Kyle got drunk and lost the Super Bowl.

Sounds like you've been on a bender like Kyle and haven't watch the 2024 season yet.

Funny coming from the guy who didn't know we beat Seattle the first time we played. Good try though

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
Maybe, but I don't think we know that. Jed could ask him what he thinks about Ben Johnson. Lynch sees Kyle's not getting these guys ready to play. They're flat, don't know the SB overtime rules, way too many penalties, poor in game decisions, unable to hold leads, etc.

Kyle picked Lynch. Not the other way around. There will more likely than not be a new GM as well…those guys are tied together. I don't have great faith in Jed leading the search for that. No one should.

Crazy as it sounds, but not every coach or front office personnel thinks Brock is Drew Brees. Folks that have zero ties to him might not want to put ALL of their chips into him. He might not fit how they want to run their offense. There's a couple reasons why they might not want him as their guy.

Ben Johnson might not want to come to a team that has been super successful and fired a very well respected young HC. That's a f**k ton of pressure…now it's SB or bust from day 1.

he might want to go to a team with a young QB on a rookie deal (or a high draft pick to get one) who's expectations aren't SB or bust from day 1.

im surprised no one is talking about Zac Taylor being in the hot seat? 4-7 and really hasn't done much with a stud QB and good roster. That's an appealing job for a first time HC.

Good points! I think a lot of these coaches need more experience before moving up. I wish current teams would expose OC and DC to the other side of the ball more as a growth model. Taylor is good on offense but my goodness their defense is bad. Similar could be said about Kyle, but you know what I mean.

Such a big part of being a HC is hiring the right coaches to put around you. Jim Harbs is good at that. he's never called an offense or defense before. Kyle has clearly coached with and has hired some good ones as well.

Like I said before someone like Ben Johnson has a better chance at being Adam Gase 2.0 than he does at being Kyle 2.0 as a HC.