49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
So we need to find a better HC than Kyle AND they have to accept that Brock is their $250M QB throughout their tenure…how he plays will determine their if they get to keep their job long-term.

you sure about that?

Technically speaking Kyle was the second best coach last year so the only way to get better is to hire Reid.

It's been 11 months since Kyle got drunk and lost the Super Bowl.

Sounds like you've been on a bender like Kyle and haven't watch the 2024 season yet.

Funny coming from the guy who didn't know we beat Seattle the first time we played. Good try though

This season has been such a s**t show I can't keep track of the losses between s**tty NFC West teams.

Six weeks ago I said Shanahan's offense was milquetoast and it's still milquetoast.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
So we need to find a better HC than Kyle AND they have to accept that Brock is their $250M QB throughout their tenure…how he plays will determine their if they get to keep their job long-term.

you sure about that?

Technically speaking Kyle was the second best coach last year so the only way to get better is to hire Reid.

yeah I'm debating for no reason, nothing I say will change how they feel about it.

kyle isn't getting canned, nor should he be. This team was always gonna have a yr like this at some point. Health and age are hitting them hard. I think everyone agrees this was a damn good draft and if they can do that again this off season, there's no reason to assume they're not right back in it.

Kyle's been changing up his passing game this yr and in order for that to work they need some better personnel there. Better pass-blocking, more speed at the receiving spot. I know BA isn't your jam and he was under performing at the beginning of the year, but he's clearly been missed.

Yeah Kyle doesn't have to worry about his job anytime soon. He does need to figure out the Redzone issues, say bye to Deebo and Brendel and cut his damn hair.

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
So we need to find a better HC than Kyle AND they have to accept that Brock is their $250M QB throughout their tenure…how he plays will determine their if they get to keep their job long-term.

you sure about that?

Technically speaking Kyle was the second best coach last year so the only way to get better is to hire Reid.

It's been 11 months since Kyle got drunk and lost the Super Bowl.

Sounds like you've been on a bender like Kyle and haven't watch the 2024 season yet.

Funny coming from the guy who didn't know we beat Seattle the first time we played. Good try though

This season has been such a s**t show I can't keep track of the losses between s**tty NFC West teams.

Six weeks ago I said Shanahan's offense was milquetoast and it's still milquetoast.

Memory loss is a sign of something.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
Maybe, but I don't think we know that. Jed could ask him what he thinks about Ben Johnson. Lynch sees Kyle's not getting these guys ready to play. They're flat, don't know the SB overtime rules, way too many penalties, poor in game decisions, unable to hold leads, etc.

Kyle picked Lynch. Not the other way around. There will more likely than not be a new GM as well…those guys are tied together. I don't have great faith in Jed leading the search for that. No one should.

Crazy as it sounds, but not every coach or front office personnel thinks Brock is Drew Brees. Folks that have zero ties to him might not want to put ALL of their chips into him. He might not fit how they want to run their offense. There's a couple reasons why they might not want him as their guy.

Ben Johnson might not want to come to a team that has been super successful and fired a very well respected young HC. That's a f**k ton of pressure…now it's SB or bust from day 1.

he might want to go to a team with a young QB on a rookie deal (or a high draft pick to get one) who's expectations aren't SB or bust from day 1.

im surprised no one is talking about Zac Taylor being in the hot seat? 4-7 and really hasn't done much with a stud QB and good roster. That's an appealing job for a first time HC.

Good points! I think a lot of these coaches need more experience before moving up. I wish current teams would expose OC and DC to the other side of the ball more as a growth model. Taylor is good on offense but my goodness their defense is bad. Similar could be said about Kyle, but you know what I mean.

Such a big part of being a HC is hiring the right coaches to put around you. Jim Harbs is good at that. he's never called an offense or defense before. Kyle has clearly coached with and has hired some good ones as well.

Like I said before someone like Ben Johnson has a better chance at being Adam Gase 2.0 than he does at being Kyle 2.0 as a HC.

Agreed. I have no interest in Ben as HC. He is a good OC, and imo it works well right now because it's the "other" scheme versus the ubiquitous Kyle scheme.

With that being said we all see Kyle trying to adapt his own scheme, which I respect. The problem is his oline sucks and cannot handle it (which is still on Kyle). Aside that, he needs to find a viable DC who isn't gone after 1-2 years. ST, is murder as well. So yes, its fair to say Kyle needs to work on finding the right coaches for his staff lol

Originally posted by PatandBow:
Yes and it won't be 1 individual. It will be a Head Coach and an Offensive Coordinator.

Don't act like it's not a desirable destination for a new Coach.

Brock is better than a handful of other quarterbacks out there.

The money is what it is. It could be 400 million, it's irrelevant. It's the market and we don't have any control over it.

Don't act like the money means nothing…because it most certainly does. Anyone coming in here is tied to Brock and his massive contract. It limits what you can do and who you can get.

Not everyone agrees & thinks he's some elite level QB. It most certainly plays a massive part in who they would bring in and what they would have to accept.

jed had to beg Kyle to come here if you remember…Kyle said he wasn't coming to a team that didn't have top end vet QB tied to it. Jed had to give him a 6 yr deal and carte blanche. This was NOT a desirable spot.

Firing a well respected young HC who took a team to 2 SBs and 2 NFCCs in 5 yrs isn't something that teams do. You're asking that guy to do BETTER than that from day 1.

all this debate is meaningless, they aren't firing him nor should they.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
So we need to find a better HC than Kyle AND they have to accept that Brock is their $250M QB throughout their tenure…how he plays will determine their if they get to keep their job long-term.

you sure about that?

Technically speaking Kyle was the second best coach last year so the only way to get better is to hire Reid.

It's been 11 months since Kyle got drunk and lost the Super Bowl.

Sounds like you've been on a bender like Kyle and haven't watch the 2024 season yet.

Funny coming from the guy who didn't know we beat Seattle the first time we played. Good try though

This season has been such a s**t show I can't keep track of the losses between s**tty NFC West teams.

Six weeks ago I said Shanahan's offense was milquetoast and it's still milquetoast.

Memory loss is a sign of something.

Probably doesn't remember them going 5-1 in the NFCW a yr ago. Only loss was the last regular season game that they had nothing to play for.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by PatandBow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Leathaface:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Leathaface:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Leathaface:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Leathaface:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
He's the most aggressive coach there is, that's why this is BS

Sure, I'll take your word for it.

Like I said , been there debunked that. Care to come up with something real?

I'm not sure how you define aggressive, but you are embarrassing yourself with this "debunked" talk and claiming that Kyle Shanahan is the "most aggressive" coach in the NFL. That is so beyond asinine that it's laughable.

Well it has been years ago.. when we get guys like you who don't know what their talking about

but it looks like you're not going to bring anything to discuss

Yes, you are truly fierce to debate. I get thrown off by people who can't differentiate between "they're" and "their" and then expect to be taken seriously.

oh yeah the typo excuse.. just say you can't bring anything to discuss and want to continue talking out the arse

. Sometimes it just isn't worth it. I don't expect you to understand.

Hey look it's the non mod police.

You can't have an opinion because I don't agree with you!

Did you just reply to him using your different handle? Leathaface?

Nope. I will never find 49ers football so important to have 2 handles lol. And even if I did, 49All is too easy to use that on, haha.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
So we need to find a better HC than Kyle AND they have to accept that Brock is their $250M QB throughout their tenure…how he plays will determine their if they get to keep their job long-term.

you sure about that?

Technically speaking Kyle was the second best coach last year so the only way to get better is to hire Reid.

It's been 11 months since Kyle got drunk and lost the Super Bowl.

Sounds like you've been on a bender like Kyle and haven't watch the 2024 season yet.

Funny coming from the guy who didn't know we beat Seattle the first time we played. Good try though

This season has been such a s**t show I can't keep track of the losses between s**tty NFC West teams.

Six weeks ago I said Shanahan's offense was milquetoast and it's still milquetoast.

Memory loss is a sign of something.

Lol

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
So we need to find a better HC than Kyle AND they have to accept that Brock is their $250M QB throughout their tenure…how he plays will determine their if they get to keep their job long-term.

you sure about that?

Technically speaking Kyle was the second best coach last year so the only way to get better is to hire Reid.

It's been 11 months since Kyle got drunk and lost the Super Bowl.

Sounds like you've been on a bender like Kyle and haven't watch the 2024 season yet.

Funny coming from the guy who didn't know we beat Seattle the first time we played. Good try though

This season has been such a s**t show I can't keep track of the losses between s**tty NFC West teams.

Six weeks ago I said Shanahan's offense was milquetoast and it's still milquetoast.

Interesting that the Lions are running essentially the same offense as the 49ers but with vastly different results. Do you think it might be the players? Younger and faster players get open easier. A great O line allows Goff enough time to survey the field and find those young fast receivers. Or maybe he hands off to Gibbs who's one of the fastest backs in the league. They add a few wrinkles that the Niners don't use but that's because that O line and speed allow them to do it.

If the draft was today, we would be picking 16th overall.

I guess that's the bright side?

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
Maybe, but I don't think we know that. Jed could ask him what he thinks about Ben Johnson. Lynch sees Kyle's not getting these guys ready to play. They're flat, don't know the SB overtime rules, way too many penalties, poor in game decisions, unable to hold leads, etc.

Kyle picked Lynch. Not the other way around. There will more likely than not be a new GM as well…those guys are tied together. I don't have great faith in Jed leading the search for that. No one should.

Crazy as it sounds, but not every coach or front office personnel thinks Brock is Drew Brees. Folks that have zero ties to him might not want to put ALL of their chips into him. He might not fit how they want to run their offense. There's a couple reasons why they might not want him as their guy.

Ben Johnson might not want to come to a team that has been super successful and fired a very well respected young HC. That's a f**k ton of pressure…now it's SB or bust from day 1.

he might want to go to a team with a young QB on a rookie deal (or a high draft pick to get one) who's expectations aren't SB or bust from day 1.

im surprised no one is talking about Zac Taylor being in the hot seat? 4-7 and really hasn't done much with a stud QB and good roster. That's an appealing job for a first time HC.

Good points! I think a lot of these coaches need more experience before moving up. I wish current teams would expose OC and DC to the other side of the ball more as a growth model. Taylor is good on offense but my goodness their defense is bad. Similar could be said about Kyle, but you know what I mean.

Such a big part of being a HC is hiring the right coaches to put around you. Jim Harbs is good at that. he's never called an offense or defense before. Kyle has clearly coached with and has hired some good ones as well.

Like I said before someone like Ben Johnson has a better chance at being Adam Gase 2.0 than he does at being Kyle 2.0 as a HC.

Agreed. I have no interest in Ben as HC. He is a good OC, and imo it works well right now because it's the "other" scheme versus the ubiquitous Kyle scheme.

With that being said we all see Kyle trying to adapt his own scheme, which I respect. The problem is his oline sucks and cannot handle it (which is still on Kyle). Aside that, he needs to find a viable DC who isn't gone after 1-2 years. ST, is murder as well. So yes, its fair to say Kyle needs to work on finding the right coaches for his staff lol

He could've had Fangio. Went with Wilks and Sorenson instead

Originally posted by DrEll:
He could've had Fangio. Went with Wilks and Sorenson instead

Fangio wouldve had Bosa playing out in coverage if he was the SF DC. his scheme is not fit for the current Niner personnel. you wouldve seen similar results to his one year in MIA.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
So we need to find a better HC than Kyle AND they have to accept that Brock is their $250M QB throughout their tenure…how he plays will determine their if they get to keep their job long-term.

you sure about that?

Technically speaking Kyle was the second best coach last year so the only way to get better is to hire Reid.

It's been 11 months since Kyle got drunk and lost the Super Bowl.

Sounds like you've been on a bender like Kyle and haven't watch the 2024 season yet.

Funny coming from the guy who didn't know we beat Seattle the first time we played. Good try though

This season has been such a s**t show I can't keep track of the losses between s**tty NFC West teams.

Six weeks ago I said Shanahan's offense was milquetoast and it's still milquetoast.

Interesting that the Lions are running essentially the same offense as the 49ers but with vastly different results. Do you think it might be the players? Younger and faster players get open easier. A great O line allows Goff enough time to survey the field and find those young fast receivers. Or maybe he hands off to Gibbs who's one of the fastest backs in the league. They add a few wrinkles that the Niners don't use but that's because that O line and speed allow them to do it.

Gibbs and Montgomery are their Mostert and Coleman from the 2019 49ers.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

49er fans, what are we doing here?

From 2022-23, the 49ers were the top offense in points per drive and second in explosive play rate

When I'm critical of the 49ers offense a small part of it is scheme. The 49ers have had personnel problems they are sorting through this season. https://t.co/Pt5AQO9uQ8

— Ted Nguyen (@FB_FilmAnalysis) November 19, 2024

What's changed from those years? Williams is older. The rest of the O line isn't as good. Deebo isn't getting the big YAC plays. CMC isn't in great shape yet. Aiyuk is missing. Other than that everything is fine.