49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Just like the key to understanding the movie Planes, Trains and Automobiles is realising that in John Candy's suitcase, he is carrying his dead wife's body, We shouldn't fire Kyle but we gotta do what the Eagles did this offseason and bring in a new STC and DC, heck bring in a OC.

I don't think Kyle should be fired, but I would have no problem with him getting a less-than-stellar annual review from John with an admonition to make some changes. In teaching, we call it monitoring and adjusting. You reflect on your teaching, assess what's working well and what isn't, then adjust your teaching strategies to effect change in the areas that aren't working. I'm not seeing Kyle monitor and adjust this year.

Kyle keeps doing the same thing over and over, thinking it will work because it worked before, and it feels as if the passion and enthusiasm have diminished following another SB loss. Other coaches have figured him out, so he needs to use that brilliant mind to develop new strategies.

Places to monitor (just to name a few; I'm sure you can think of more):

*Special teams coaching and player assignments in this area

*The effectiveness of the defensive coordinator

*The efficiency of the O-Line

*Whether or not each player is being used to their potential appropriately, or whether some are being held back to the detriment of the team

Distinguished and competitive people hate hearing they aren't working to their potential. It lights a fire under them to improve. John needs to light that fire under Kyle.

I wouldn't fire Shanahan either, but there's so many signs this is going downhill and he's been coaching like s**t this year.

• He's shown to have zero positive influence over the defense and special teams, cycling through coordinators is not coaching.
  
• Brock Purdy is going to get overpaid and that will hamper the offense
  
  
• Bobby Turner can't coach the RB's forever
  
  
• The guy knows how to blow a lead better than any coach in the league
  
  
• The fact the team falls apart with it's backup QB is a direct reflection of the coaching staff.
  
  
• Things don't tend to get better in the coach's 9th year with the team
  
  

If we were constant wild card exits, I think it's more reasonable to move on from Kyle. But every time we've made the playoffs going back to Harbaugh, it's been championship game or Superbowl.

Kyle has lost two as HC with us and one as OC in Atl. All three with substantial leads late in the game.

Obviously, making the Super Bowl is an accomplishment in and of itself, but at what point is it not enough? Kyle, you have to win one buddy!!!!!!

If we made it again next year and lost?

Kyle is not free from criticism. The Superbowl loss really affected his ability to put together a good coaching staff and have the team ready for the 2025 season.

Instil discipline, mental toughness and accountability.

Cut Brendel, McKivitz, and Bell.

Trade Deebo if he's going to sulk when called out and doesn't show up—two long returns nullified by penalties the past two weeks aside..

Fire the ST and DC.

Hire an OC to help you Kyle, you egomaniacal so and so.

Kyle deserves much of the blame for the current state of the 49ers...

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
Just like the key to understanding the movie Planes, Trains and Automobiles is realising that in John Candy's suitcase, he is carrying his dead wife's body, We shouldn't fire Kyle but we gotta do what the Eagles did this offseason and bring in a new STC and DC, heck bring in a OC.

I don't think Kyle should be fired, but I would have no problem with him getting a less-than-stellar annual review from John with an admonition to make some changes. In teaching, we call it monitoring and adjusting. You reflect on your teaching, assess what's working well and what isn't, then adjust your teaching strategies to effect change in the areas that aren't working. I'm not seeing Kyle monitor and adjust this year.

Kyle keeps doing the same thing over and over, thinking it will work because it worked before, and it feels as if the passion and enthusiasm have diminished following another SB loss. Other coaches have figured him out, so he needs to use that brilliant mind to develop new strategies.

Places to monitor (just to name a few; I'm sure you can think of more):

*Special teams coaching and player assignments in this area

*The effectiveness of the defensive coordinator

*The efficiency of the O-Line

*Whether or not each player is being used to their potential appropriately, or whether some are being held back to the detriment of the team

Distinguished and competitive people hate hearing they aren't working to their potential. It lights a fire under them to improve. John needs to light that fire under Kyle.

I wouldn't fire Shanahan either, but there's so many signs this is going downhill and he's been coaching like s**t this year.

• He's shown to have zero positive influence over the defense and special teams, cycling through coordinators is not coaching.
• Brock Purdy is going to get overpaid and that will hamper the offense
  
  
• Bobby Turner can't coach the RB's forever
  
  
• The guy knows how to blow a lead better than any coach in the league
  
  
• The fact the team falls apart with it's backup QB is a direct reflection of the coaching staff.
  
  
• Things don't tend to get better in the coach's 9th year with the team
  
  

If we were constant wild card exits, I think it's more reasonable to move on from Kyle. But every time we've made the playoffs going back to Harbaugh, it's been championship game or Superbowl.

Kyle has lost two as HC with us and one as OC in Atl. All three with substantial leads late in the game.

Obviously, making the Super Bowl is an accomplishment in and of itself, but at what point is it not enough? Kyle, you have to win one buddy!!!!!!

If we made it again next year and lost?

Kyle is not free from criticism. The Superbowl loss really affected his ability to put together a good coaching staff and have the team ready for the 2025 season.

Instil discipline, mental toughness and accountability.

Cut Brendel, McKivitz, and Bell.

Trade Deebo if he's going to sulk when called out and doesn't show up—two long returns nullified by penalties the past two weeks aside..

Fire the ST and DC.

Hire an OC to help you Kyle, you egomaniacal so and so.

Kyle deserves much of the blame for the current state of the 49ers...

Longoing reqd

Yes, but it is well worth the read.

I missed one last thing.

Starting Allen over Dobbs is definitely stupid. but ok, let's tank the season.

Originally posted by BP13:
Somebody get Montana a mega-phone!
It would be a huge mistake to let Kyle get away. I was just listening to Krueger and he suggested that if Kyle and SF parted ways, he could see the next coach being Doug Pederson.....yikes. sometimes it takes looking at those alternate universes to be very thankful for what you have.

I haven't listened to Krueger much, if at all but it's a bit pre-mature to have an SF/Kyle split hypothetical..but maybe not..as you said, it can make you grateful for what you have. If we lose Kyle, we will set this team so far back and those who complained relentlessly to rid of him would certainly eat crow (but find other things to obsessively whine about on a daily). 2022-2023 is some of the best 49er football I have ever seen. I expect we will be back and see more greatness. We just have had a very unusual year packed with adversity. It happens to the best, it just happens. But next season will be another opportunity not only to embarrass them Cowboys again:)...but to win it all and get that Six.

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
Yes, but it is well worth the read.

I missed one last thing.

Starting Allen over Dobbs is definitely stupid. but ok, let's tank the season.

It's a good read. But it's pretty much fantasy.

Hold Kyle accountable?
force him to relinquish power ?
get rid of coach's buddies ?

what alternate universe do you live in ?

Sorenson will go to STs coach. Staley will likely become DC. Kyle will spend the offseason convincing us (and the sheep will buy into his BS) that it was the injuries and lack of execution that did us in. Not his playcalling. Not the coaches.

he's gonna offer to 'run it back', like he has been for the past 8 years. And the dopes will be jumping for joy buying all the jerseys and Niner gear, filling Jeds pockets. Meanwhile you're either going to get another miserable season like this, or some version of 2023 where we get a consolation prize. And the Shanafans will be celebrating about how the dynasty never ended and we're back baby and Kyle is the bestest coach ever.

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
Just like the key to understanding the movie Planes, Trains and Automobiles is realising that in John Candy's suitcase, he is carrying his dead wife's body, We shouldn't fire Kyle but we gotta do what the Eagles did this offseason and bring in a new STC and DC, heck bring in a OC.

I don't think Kyle should be fired, but I would have no problem with him getting a less-than-stellar annual review from John with an admonition to make some changes. In teaching, we call it monitoring and adjusting. You reflect on your teaching, assess what's working well and what isn't, then adjust your teaching strategies to effect change in the areas that aren't working. I'm not seeing Kyle monitor and adjust this year.

Kyle keeps doing the same thing over and over, thinking it will work because it worked before, and it feels as if the passion and enthusiasm have diminished following another SB loss. Other coaches have figured him out, so he needs to use that brilliant mind to develop new strategies.

Places to monitor (just to name a few; I'm sure you can think of more):

*Special teams coaching and player assignments in this area

*The effectiveness of the defensive coordinator

*The efficiency of the O-Line

*Whether or not each player is being used to their potential appropriately, or whether some are being held back to the detriment of the team

Distinguished and competitive people hate hearing they aren't working to their potential. It lights a fire under them to improve. John needs to light that fire under Kyle.

I wouldn't fire Shanahan either, but there's so many signs this is going downhill and he's been coaching like s**t this year.

• He's shown to have zero positive influence over the defense and special teams, cycling through coordinators is not coaching.
• Brock Purdy is going to get overpaid and that will hamper the offense
  
  
• Bobby Turner can't coach the RB's forever
  
  
• The guy knows how to blow a lead better than any coach in the league
  
  
• The fact the team falls apart with it's backup QB is a direct reflection of the coaching staff.
  
  
• Things don't tend to get better in the coach's 9th year with the team
  
  

If we were constant wild card exits, I think it's more reasonable to move on from Kyle. But every time we've made the playoffs going back to Harbaugh, it's been championship game or Superbowl.

Kyle has lost two as HC with us and one as OC in Atl. All three with substantial leads late in the game.

Obviously, making the Super Bowl is an accomplishment in and of itself, but at what point is it not enough? Kyle, you have to win one buddy!!!!!!

If we made it again next year and lost?

Kyle is not free from criticism. The Superbowl loss really affected his ability to put together a good coaching staff and have the team ready for the 2025 season.

Instil discipline, mental toughness and accountability.

Cut Brendel, McKivitz, and Bell.

Trade Deebo if he's going to sulk when called out and doesn't show up—two long returns nullified by penalties the past two weeks aside..

Fire the ST and DC.

Hire an OC to help you Kyle, you egomaniacal so and so.

Kyle deserves much of the blame for the current state of the 49ers...

Wait John candy had his dead wife in his suitcase the whole time?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Wait John candy had his dead wife in his suitcase the whole time?

Wait Kyle had his dead Atlanta offense in his suitcase the whole time?

Originally posted by redrathman:
Wait Kyle had his dead Atlanta offense in his suitcase the whole time?

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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Wait John candy had his dead wife in his suitcase the whole time?

Yeah, did he? Lol changes the whole movie.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
Just like the key to understanding the movie Planes, Trains and Automobiles is realising that in John Candy's suitcase, he is carrying his dead wife's body, We shouldn't fire Kyle but we gotta do what the Eagles did this offseason and bring in a new STC and DC, heck bring in a OC.

I don't think Kyle should be fired, but I would have no problem with him getting a less-than-stellar annual review from John with an admonition to make some changes. In teaching, we call it monitoring and adjusting. You reflect on your teaching, assess what's working well and what isn't, then adjust your teaching strategies to effect change in the areas that aren't working. I'm not seeing Kyle monitor and adjust this year.

Kyle keeps doing the same thing over and over, thinking it will work because it worked before, and it feels as if the passion and enthusiasm have diminished following another SB loss. Other coaches have figured him out, so he needs to use that brilliant mind to develop new strategies.

Places to monitor (just to name a few; I'm sure you can think of more):

*Special teams coaching and player assignments in this area

*The effectiveness of the defensive coordinator

*The efficiency of the O-Line

*Whether or not each player is being used to their potential appropriately, or whether some are being held back to the detriment of the team

Distinguished and competitive people hate hearing they aren't working to their potential. It lights a fire under them to improve. John needs to light that fire under Kyle.

I wouldn't fire Shanahan either, but there's so many signs this is going downhill and he's been coaching like s**t this year.

• He's shown to have zero positive influence over the defense and special teams, cycling through coordinators is not coaching.
• Brock Purdy is going to get overpaid and that will hamper the offense
  
  
• Bobby Turner can't coach the RB's forever
  
  
• The guy knows how to blow a lead better than any coach in the league
  
  
• The fact the team falls apart with it's backup QB is a direct reflection of the coaching staff.
  
  
• Things don't tend to get better in the coach's 9th year with the team
  
  

If we were constant wild card exits, I think it's more reasonable to move on from Kyle. But every time we've made the playoffs going back to Harbaugh, it's been championship game or Superbowl.

Kyle has lost two as HC with us and one as OC in Atl. All three with substantial leads late in the game.

Obviously, making the Super Bowl is an accomplishment in and of itself, but at what point is it not enough? Kyle, you have to win one buddy!!!!!!

If we made it again next year and lost?

Kyle is not free from criticism. The Superbowl loss really affected his ability to put together a good coaching staff and have the team ready for the 2025 season.

Instil discipline, mental toughness and accountability.

Cut Brendel, McKivitz, and Bell.

Trade Deebo if he's going to sulk when called out and doesn't show up—two long returns nullified by penalties the past two weeks aside..

Fire the ST and DC.

Hire an OC to help you Kyle, you egomaniacal so and so.

Kyle deserves much of the blame for the current state of the 49ers...

Wait John candy had his dead wife in his suitcase the whole time?

Originally posted by DrEll:
I like Kreuger. He's not a tool like Lombardi. And you're right. He's been following the team for a long time. I listened to his YouTube Monday morning analysis. He's getting tired of Kyle's schtick. He was pissed that Mason was abandoned again vs GB. And that Kyle didn't change up the game plan one bit.

Im glad to see that even some real folk are starting to see Kyle for the fraud he is. Of course, the Shanafans will go as far as attacking their own mothers if they had to just to protect boy wonder

This isn't necessary. I'm pretty done with comments like this which only serve to incite and add absolutely nothing to the discussion. Take a break.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by DrEll:
I like Kreuger. He's not a tool like Lombardi. And you're right. He's been following the team for a long time. I listened to his YouTube Monday morning analysis. He's getting tired of Kyle's schtick. He was pissed that Mason was abandoned again vs GB. And that Kyle didn't change up the game plan one bit.

Im glad to see that even some real folk are starting to see Kyle for the fraud he is. Of course, the Shanafans will go as far as attacking their own mothers if they had to just to protect boy wonder

This isn't necessary. I'm pretty done with comments like this which only serve to incite and add absolutely nothing to the discussion. Take a break.

I agree. Some of the same fans that predict a SB every year are quick to turn on the coach or QB as soon as things go bad.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by DrEll:
I like Kreuger. He's not a tool like Lombardi. And you're right. He's been following the team for a long time. I listened to his YouTube Monday morning analysis. He's getting tired of Kyle's schtick. He was pissed that Mason was abandoned again vs GB. And that Kyle didn't change up the game plan one bit.

Im glad to see that even some real folk are starting to see Kyle for the fraud he is. Of course, the Shanafans will go as far as attacking their own mothers if they had to just to protect boy wonder

This isn't necessary. I'm pretty done with comments like this which only serve to incite and add absolutely nothing to the discussion. Take a break.

SanDiego next

This is pretty much the norm now with a few guys here, it's always the loud minority group that ruin it for others.

So many good posters rarely post in NT now or have completely disappeared. English PM'd me back as well how saying what SD is doing is not technically against the rules, but it is becoming an issue when every one of his posts is the same crap daily, and he's not the only guilty one unfortunately.

Nobody is saying Kyle is without flaws and deserves no criticism, but when you make your posts like you're on twitter, some people just don't want to engage with that anymore. MNTGA

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Wait John candy had his dead wife in his suitcase the whole time?

Yeah, did he? Lol changes the whole movie.

I need to rewatch now, it's been a while.

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Ronnie, I'm too tired to go over all the little things that piss me off about Kyle. With us not taking advantage of our opportunities. With Kyle going out of his way to make s**t worse/harder for the team.

I don't see Kyle as the Bill Walsh of this generation. Sure he has many head coaches from his tree... but as a head coach? No. Who was it that Bill learned from before coming to the 9ers? Paul Brown? Maybe Kyle can be considered Paul Brown. Someone else from Kyle's tree might be Bill Walsh. 😕

Paul Brown won 4 NFL titles and 4 AAFC titles. Brown is arguably a better HC than Walsh.

If anything Kyle is more Don Coryell than Walsh.