49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
Just like the key to understanding the movie Planes, Trains and Automobiles is realising that in John Candy's suitcase, he is carrying his dead wife's body, We shouldn't fire Kyle but we gotta do what the Eagles did this offseason and bring in a new STC and DC, heck bring in a OC.

I don't think Kyle should be fired, but I would have no problem with him getting a less-than-stellar annual review from John with an admonition to make some changes. In teaching, we call it monitoring and adjusting. You reflect on your teaching, assess what's working well and what isn't, then adjust your teaching strategies to effect change in the areas that aren't working. I'm not seeing Kyle monitor and adjust this year.

Kyle keeps doing the same thing over and over, thinking it will work because it worked before, and it feels as if the passion and enthusiasm have diminished following another SB loss. Other coaches have figured him out, so he needs to use that brilliant mind to develop new strategies.

Places to monitor (just to name a few; I'm sure you can think of more):

*Special teams coaching and player assignments in this area

*The effectiveness of the defensive coordinator

*The efficiency of the O-Line

*Whether or not each player is being used to their potential appropriately, or whether some are being held back to the detriment of the team

Distinguished and competitive people hate hearing they aren't working to their potential. It lights a fire under them to improve. John needs to light that fire under Kyle.

I wouldn't fire Shanahan either, but there's so many signs this is going downhill and he's been coaching like s**t this year.

• He's shown to have zero positive influence over the defense and special teams, cycling through coordinators is not coaching.
• Brock Purdy is going to get overpaid and that will hamper the offense
  
  
• Bobby Turner can't coach the RB's forever
  
  
• The guy knows how to blow a lead better than any coach in the league
  
  
• The fact the team falls apart with it's backup QB is a direct reflection of the coaching staff.
  
  
• Things don't tend to get better in the coach's 9th year with the team
  
  

If we were constant wild card exits, I think it's more reasonable to move on from Kyle. But every time we've made the playoffs going back to Harbaugh, it's been championship game or Superbowl.

Kyle has lost two as HC with us and one as OC in Atl. All three with substantial leads late in the game.

Obviously, making the Super Bowl is an accomplishment in and of itself, but at what point is it not enough? Kyle, you have to win one buddy!!!!!!

If we made it again next year and lost?

Kyle is not free from criticism. The Superbowl loss really affected his ability to put together a good coaching staff and have the team ready for the 2025 season.

Instil discipline, mental toughness and accountability.

Cut Brendel, McKivitz, and Bell.

Trade Deebo if he's going to sulk when called out and doesn't show up—two long returns nullified by penalties the past two weeks aside..

Fire the ST and DC.

Hire an OC to help you Kyle, you egomaniacal so and so.

Kyle deserves much of the blame for the current state of the 49ers...

The coaching staff is definitely on Kyle, I agree with that. We need someone proven to be here that can commit to staying. I wasn't crazy about the Sorenson hire because even if he does a great job, that means he will get a HC gig very quickly. We really need to find our Spags.

His loyalty to players and coaches at times is pretty damn annoying, especially the home grown ones.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
Just like the key to understanding the movie Planes, Trains and Automobiles is realising that in John Candy's suitcase, he is carrying his dead wife's body, We shouldn't fire Kyle but we gotta do what the Eagles did this offseason and bring in a new STC and DC, heck bring in a OC.

I don't think Kyle should be fired, but I would have no problem with him getting a less-than-stellar annual review from John with an admonition to make some changes. In teaching, we call it monitoring and adjusting. You reflect on your teaching, assess what's working well and what isn't, then adjust your teaching strategies to effect change in the areas that aren't working. I'm not seeing Kyle monitor and adjust this year.

Kyle keeps doing the same thing over and over, thinking it will work because it worked before, and it feels as if the passion and enthusiasm have diminished following another SB loss. Other coaches have figured him out, so he needs to use that brilliant mind to develop new strategies.

Places to monitor (just to name a few; I'm sure you can think of more):

*Special teams coaching and player assignments in this area

*The effectiveness of the defensive coordinator

*The efficiency of the O-Line

*Whether or not each player is being used to their potential appropriately, or whether some are being held back to the detriment of the team

Distinguished and competitive people hate hearing they aren't working to their potential. It lights a fire under them to improve. John needs to light that fire under Kyle.

I wouldn't fire Shanahan either, but there's so many signs this is going downhill and he's been coaching like s**t this year.

• He's shown to have zero positive influence over the defense and special teams, cycling through coordinators is not coaching.
• Brock Purdy is going to get overpaid and that will hamper the offense
  
  
• Bobby Turner can't coach the RB's forever
  
  
• The guy knows how to blow a lead better than any coach in the league
  
  
• The fact the team falls apart with it's backup QB is a direct reflection of the coaching staff.
  
  
• Things don't tend to get better in the coach's 9th year with the team
  
  

If we were constant wild card exits, I think it's more reasonable to move on from Kyle. But every time we've made the playoffs going back to Harbaugh, it's been championship game or Superbowl.

Kyle has lost two as HC with us and one as OC in Atl. All three with substantial leads late in the game.

Obviously, making the Super Bowl is an accomplishment in and of itself, but at what point is it not enough? Kyle, you have to win one buddy!!!!!!

If we made it again next year and lost?

Kyle is not free from criticism. The Superbowl loss really affected his ability to put together a good coaching staff and have the team ready for the 2025 season.

Instil discipline, mental toughness and accountability.

Cut Brendel, McKivitz, and Bell.

Trade Deebo if he's going to sulk when called out and doesn't show up—two long returns nullified by penalties the past two weeks aside..

Fire the ST and DC.

Hire an OC to help you Kyle, you egomaniacal so and so.

Kyle deserves much of the blame for the current state of the 49ers...

Wait John candy had his dead wife in his suitcase the whole time?

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Wait John candy had his dead wife in his suitcase the whole time?

Yeah, did he? Lol changes the whole movie.

Theory has been around for years but still doesnt make sense. In the movie you learn that his wife died years ago and that he's been homeless ever since and just wandering around aimlessly. If you have a body in a trunk, at some point there'd be an odor that would alert people to the contents.

Its implied more that he's carrying around his stuff, whatever was left of his life that he left home with and was ashamed of people learning that he had nowhere to go.

I think the Home Alone "Uncle Frank hired the Wet Bandits to rob his brother's fancy house while everyone was away" theory is a lot more realistic.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
Just like the key to understanding the movie Planes, Trains and Automobiles is realising that in John Candy's suitcase, he is carrying his dead wife's body, We shouldn't fire Kyle but we gotta do what the Eagles did this offseason and bring in a new STC and DC, heck bring in a OC.

I don't think Kyle should be fired, but I would have no problem with him getting a less-than-stellar annual review from John with an admonition to make some changes. In teaching, we call it monitoring and adjusting. You reflect on your teaching, assess what's working well and what isn't, then adjust your teaching strategies to effect change in the areas that aren't working. I'm not seeing Kyle monitor and adjust this year.

Kyle keeps doing the same thing over and over, thinking it will work because it worked before, and it feels as if the passion and enthusiasm have diminished following another SB loss. Other coaches have figured him out, so he needs to use that brilliant mind to develop new strategies.

Places to monitor (just to name a few; I'm sure you can think of more):

*Special teams coaching and player assignments in this area

*The effectiveness of the defensive coordinator

*The efficiency of the O-Line

*Whether or not each player is being used to their potential appropriately, or whether some are being held back to the detriment of the team

Distinguished and competitive people hate hearing they aren't working to their potential. It lights a fire under them to improve. John needs to light that fire under Kyle.

I wouldn't fire Shanahan either, but there's so many signs this is going downhill and he's been coaching like s**t this year.

• He's shown to have zero positive influence over the defense and special teams, cycling through coordinators is not coaching.
• Brock Purdy is going to get overpaid and that will hamper the offense
  
  
• Bobby Turner can't coach the RB's forever
  
  
• The guy knows how to blow a lead better than any coach in the league
  
  
• The fact the team falls apart with it's backup QB is a direct reflection of the coaching staff.
  
  
• Things don't tend to get better in the coach's 9th year with the team
  
  

If we were constant wild card exits, I think it's more reasonable to move on from Kyle. But every time we've made the playoffs going back to Harbaugh, it's been championship game or Superbowl.

Kyle has lost two as HC with us and one as OC in Atl. All three with substantial leads late in the game.

Obviously, making the Super Bowl is an accomplishment in and of itself, but at what point is it not enough? Kyle, you have to win one buddy!!!!!!

If we made it again next year and lost?

Kyle is not free from criticism. The Superbowl loss really affected his ability to put together a good coaching staff and have the team ready for the 2025 season.

Instil discipline, mental toughness and accountability.

Cut Brendel, McKivitz, and Bell.

Trade Deebo if he's going to sulk when called out and doesn't show up—two long returns nullified by penalties the past two weeks aside..

Fire the ST and DC.

Hire an OC to help you Kyle, you egomaniacal so and so.

Kyle deserves much of the blame for the current state of the 49ers...

The coaching staff is definitely on Kyle, I agree with that. We need someone proven to be here that can commit to staying. I wasn't crazy about the Sorenson hire because even if he does a great job, that means he will get a HC gig very quickly. We really need to find our Spags.

His loyalty to players and coaches at times is pretty damn annoying, especially the home grown ones.

What's wrong with going for spags as the hc? If we don't improve next year. I want to see some progression… any indication that Kyle gets it would definitely help his cause and might calm fans. I know it would for me. The stuck on replay is hard to watch.

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
What's wrong with going for spags as the hc? If we don't improve next year. I want to see some progression… any indication that Kyle gets it would definitely help his cause and might calm fans. I know it would for me. The stuck on replay is hard to watch.

His 11-41 record seems like a deal breaker.

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
What's wrong with going for spags as the hc? If we don't improve next year. I want to see some progression… any indication that Kyle gets it would definitely help his cause and might calm fans. I know it would for me. The stuck on replay is hard to watch.

He's been a HC before, he was really not good at it. Neither his stint with the Rams nor his time as interim HC of the Giants gave people any reason to believe that he simply just needed another crack at the job.

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
Just like the key to understanding the movie Planes, Trains and Automobiles is realising that in John Candy's suitcase, he is carrying his dead wife's body, We shouldn't fire Kyle but we gotta do what the Eagles did this offseason and bring in a new STC and DC, heck bring in a OC.

I don't think Kyle should be fired, but I would have no problem with him getting a less-than-stellar annual review from John with an admonition to make some changes. In teaching, we call it monitoring and adjusting. You reflect on your teaching, assess what's working well and what isn't, then adjust your teaching strategies to effect change in the areas that aren't working. I'm not seeing Kyle monitor and adjust this year.

Kyle keeps doing the same thing over and over, thinking it will work because it worked before, and it feels as if the passion and enthusiasm have diminished following another SB loss. Other coaches have figured him out, so he needs to use that brilliant mind to develop new strategies.

Places to monitor (just to name a few; I'm sure you can think of more):

*Special teams coaching and player assignments in this area

*The effectiveness of the defensive coordinator

*The efficiency of the O-Line

*Whether or not each player is being used to their potential appropriately, or whether some are being held back to the detriment of the team

Distinguished and competitive people hate hearing they aren't working to their potential. It lights a fire under them to improve. John needs to light that fire under Kyle.

I wouldn't fire Shanahan either, but there's so many signs this is going downhill and he's been coaching like s**t this year.

• He's shown to have zero positive influence over the defense and special teams, cycling through coordinators is not coaching.
• Brock Purdy is going to get overpaid and that will hamper the offense
  
  
• Bobby Turner can't coach the RB's forever
  
  
• The guy knows how to blow a lead better than any coach in the league
  
  
• The fact the team falls apart with it's backup QB is a direct reflection of the coaching staff.
  
  
• Things don't tend to get better in the coach's 9th year with the team
  
  

If we were constant wild card exits, I think it's more reasonable to move on from Kyle. But every time we've made the playoffs going back to Harbaugh, it's been championship game or Superbowl.

Kyle has lost two as HC with us and one as OC in Atl. All three with substantial leads late in the game.

Obviously, making the Super Bowl is an accomplishment in and of itself, but at what point is it not enough? Kyle, you have to win one buddy!!!!!!

If we made it again next year and lost?

Kyle is not free from criticism. The Superbowl loss really affected his ability to put together a good coaching staff and have the team ready for the 2025 season.

Instil discipline, mental toughness and accountability.

Cut Brendel, McKivitz, and Bell.

Trade Deebo if he's going to sulk when called out and doesn't show up—two long returns nullified by penalties the past two weeks aside..

Fire the ST and DC.

Hire an OC to help you Kyle, you egomaniacal so and so.

Kyle deserves much of the blame for the current state of the 49ers...

The coaching staff is definitely on Kyle, I agree with that. We need someone proven to be here that can commit to staying. I wasn't crazy about the Sorenson hire because even if he does a great job, that means he will get a HC gig very quickly. We really need to find our Spags.

His loyalty to players and coaches at times is pretty damn annoying, especially the home grown ones.

What's wrong with going for spags as the hc? If we don't improve next year. I want to see some progression… any indication that Kyle gets it would definitely help his cause and might calm fans. I know it would for me. The stuck on replay is hard to watch.

I definitely think Spags will get another shot at HC, but I don't want him here.

I'm a big believer that the HC should be an offensive guy. Much harder to develop a solid offense than a defense. Don't wanna ba the Jets or Steelers that have a great defense every year but can't get their offense anywhere close to match their defense. With an offensive minded HC, it just makes it easier to get the offense going, even if you don't have that FQB.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
Just like the key to understanding the movie Planes, Trains and Automobiles is realising that in John Candy's suitcase, he is carrying his dead wife's body, We shouldn't fire Kyle but we gotta do what the Eagles did this offseason and bring in a new STC and DC, heck bring in a OC.

I don't think Kyle should be fired, but I would have no problem with him getting a less-than-stellar annual review from John with an admonition to make some changes. In teaching, we call it monitoring and adjusting. You reflect on your teaching, assess what's working well and what isn't, then adjust your teaching strategies to effect change in the areas that aren't working. I'm not seeing Kyle monitor and adjust this year.

Kyle keeps doing the same thing over and over, thinking it will work because it worked before, and it feels as if the passion and enthusiasm have diminished following another SB loss. Other coaches have figured him out, so he needs to use that brilliant mind to develop new strategies.

Places to monitor (just to name a few; I'm sure you can think of more):

*Special teams coaching and player assignments in this area

*The effectiveness of the defensive coordinator

*The efficiency of the O-Line

*Whether or not each player is being used to their potential appropriately, or whether some are being held back to the detriment of the team

Distinguished and competitive people hate hearing they aren't working to their potential. It lights a fire under them to improve. John needs to light that fire under Kyle.

I wouldn't fire Shanahan either, but there's so many signs this is going downhill and he's been coaching like s**t this year.

• He's shown to have zero positive influence over the defense and special teams, cycling through coordinators is not coaching.
• Brock Purdy is going to get overpaid and that will hamper the offense
  
  
• Bobby Turner can't coach the RB's forever
  
  
• The guy knows how to blow a lead better than any coach in the league
  
  
• The fact the team falls apart with it's backup QB is a direct reflection of the coaching staff.
  
  
• Things don't tend to get better in the coach's 9th year with the team
  
  

If we were constant wild card exits, I think it's more reasonable to move on from Kyle. But every time we've made the playoffs going back to Harbaugh, it's been championship game or Superbowl.

Kyle has lost two as HC with us and one as OC in Atl. All three with substantial leads late in the game.

Obviously, making the Super Bowl is an accomplishment in and of itself, but at what point is it not enough? Kyle, you have to win one buddy!!!!!!

If we made it again next year and lost?

Kyle is not free from criticism. The Superbowl loss really affected his ability to put together a good coaching staff and have the team ready for the 2025 season.

Instil discipline, mental toughness and accountability.

Cut Brendel, McKivitz, and Bell.

Trade Deebo if he's going to sulk when called out and doesn't show up—two long returns nullified by penalties the past two weeks aside..

Fire the ST and DC.

Hire an OC to help you Kyle, you egomaniacal so and so.

Kyle deserves much of the blame for the current state of the 49ers...

The coaching staff is definitely on Kyle, I agree with that. We need someone proven to be here that can commit to staying. I wasn't crazy about the Sorenson hire because even if he does a great job, that means he will get a HC gig very quickly. We really need to find our Spags.

His loyalty to players and coaches at times is pretty damn annoying, especially the home grown ones.

What's wrong with going for spags as the hc? If we don't improve next year. I want to see some progression… any indication that Kyle gets it would definitely help his cause and might calm fans. I know it would for me. The stuck on replay is hard to watch.

I definitely think Spags will get another shot at HC, but I don't want him here.

I'm a big believer that the HC should be an offensive guy. Much harder to develop a solid offense than a defense. Don't wanna ba the Jets or Steelers that have a great defense every year but can't get their offense anywhere close to match their defense. With an offensive minded HC, it just makes it easier to get the offense going, even if you don't have that FQB.

Having one side of the ball locked down with consistent solid play makes all the difference in the world. The d can cover a lot of the o mistakes with solid play and vice versa. We are exposed on both sides this year.

Finding a good HC is much harder than just picking a coordinator that had success somewhere. So many found out that being the HC is way harder than being a DC or OC. More media scrutiny. Personnel issues. Dealing with the front office. Picking and keeping a good coachng staff. In Kyle's case he comtinues to call plays. Sometimes it's better to turn that chore over to someone else. Kyleis good at designing plays but k wing when to call the right play is something that some guys are just better at. It was part of what made Walsh so good. He would run when the other team expected a pass. Go up the middle when they were looking for something outside. Use a trick play and never use it again just to keep the defenses guessing. Kyle sometimes gets too predictable and this team is no longer able to just line up and run over people.

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
Having one side of the ball locked down with consistent solid play makes all the difference in the world. The d can cover a lot of the o mistakes with solid play and vice versa. We are exposed on both sides this year.

Which is because they've had a revolving door at DC. Kyle needs to find his own Spagnuolo, an accomplished DC that nobody will be looking at for HC anytime soon.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Finding a good HC is much harder than just picking a coordinator that had success somewhere. So many found out that being the HC is way harder than being a DC or OC. More media scrutiny. Personnel issues. Dealing with the front office. Picking and keeping a good coachng staff. In Kyle's case he comtinues to call plays. Sometimes it's better to turn that chore over to someone else. Kyleis good at designing plays but k wing when to call the right play is something that some guys are just better at. It was part of what made Walsh so good. He would run when the other team expected a pass. Go up the middle when they were looking for something outside. Use a trick play and never use it again just to keep the defenses guessing. Kyle sometimes gets too predictable and this team is no longer able to just line up and run over people.

I'd like to see him refresh the staff when it comes to guys who have been here four or more years. Bring in some new assistants from the outside, new voices, new energy, new ideas, I think that could be a big boost overall.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Finding a good HC is much harder than just picking a coordinator that had success somewhere. So many found out that being the HC is way harder than being a DC or OC. More media scrutiny. Personnel issues. Dealing with the front office. Picking and keeping a good coachng staff. In Kyle's case he comtinues to call plays. Sometimes it's better to turn that chore over to someone else. Kyleis good at designing plays but k wing when to call the right play is something that some guys are just better at. It was part of what made Walsh so good. He would run when the other team expected a pass. Go up the middle when they were looking for something outside. Use a trick play and never use it again just to keep the defenses guessing. Kyle sometimes gets too predictable and this team is no longer able to just line up and run over people.

I'd like to see him refresh the staff when it comes to guys who have been here four or more years. Bring in some new assistants from the outside, new voices, new energy, new ideas, I think that could be a big boost overall.

I'm all for that. Continuity with the DC would be nice if they have a good one but some o the position coaches might be ready for a change. They actuallly do way more of the work than some fans realize. They're the guys that get the players ready to play.

As a manager, would you fire someone who has been a stellar employee for years -- one of the best employees in the company... because they had an underperforming year? Especially if it's not easy to tell if the underperformance was due to being understaffed or for other factors outside their control.

Or would you provide constructive feedback and get them focused on making adjustments to get back into that high performer category?

I am old enough to remember when we fired Steve Mariucci, despite making the playoffs a bunch... which sent us hurling towards a decade of mediocrity. We arguably repeated that same story with Jim Harbaugh. The grass is very rarely greener on the other side.

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Wait John candy had his dead wife in his suitcase the whole time?

Yeah, did he? Lol changes the whole movie.

No, don't fall for these trolls

he was homeless and lived out of his trunk

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
As a manager, would you fire someone who has been a stellar employee for years -- one of the best employees in the company... because they had an underperforming year? Especially if it's not easy to tell if the underperformance was due to being understaffed or for other factors outside their control.

Or would you provide constructive feedback and get them focused on making adjustments to get back into that high performer category?

I am old enough to remember when we fired Steve Mariucci, despite making the playoffs a bunch... which sent us hurling towards a decade of mediocrity. We arguably repeated that same story with Jim Harbaugh. The grass is very rarely greener on the other side.

Mariucci and harbaugh are not offensive gurus. They can only last a few years