49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

I see we've shifted to injuries excuse now. Just shows that Kyle's coaching is 100% talent based.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by DrEll:
lol. yea why should the head coach get that blame 😂

For having to play backups all over the place? Be objective for once. It would make your other debates more palatable.

No no no, don't you think it's perfectly reasonable to expect wins with a near preseason squad out there?

I did in the first half of the season. Against teams that were more beat up like LA. Or laughers like Arizona. Seattle came in pretty weak, but they beat us up.

Can't use injuries as an excuse for every loss. Yes. Vs GB we were decimated so that was expected. But the way we lost in all of those other games isn't due to injuries. It was due to poor coaching.

cue the "players fault" in 3….2….1…

Ronnie Bell cut. These moves that show fans are a step ahead of Kyle continue to pile up. I don't want Kyle deciding the final roster anymore he doesn't know how to scout players

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Ronnie Bell cut. These moves that show fans are a step ahead of Kyle continue to pile up. I don't want Kyle deciding the final roster anymore he doesn't know how to scout players

When I saw that they had cut Ronnie my thought was why now? You have let him ride on this roster for almost the whole year what is the purpose of cutting him now. There have been some pretty dumb f ing moves made by this team this year.

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by DrEll:

lol. yea why should the head coach get that blame 😂

For having to play backups all over the place? Be objective for once. It would make your other debates more palatable.

No no no, don't you think it's perfectly reasonable to expect wins with a near preseason squad out there?

I did in the first half of the season. Against teams that were more beat up like LA. Or laughers like Arizona. Seattle came in pretty weak, but they beat us up.

Can't use injuries as an excuse for every loss. Yes. Vs GB we were decimated so that was expected. But the way we lost in all of those other games isn't due to injuries. It was due to poor coaching.

cue the "players fault" in 3….2….1…

I agree that it wasn't all injuries. Minnesota outplayed us. Arizona was a fluke because we lost our kicker. Well and the Jordan Mason fumble was a huge mistake.

Honest question now -- When is it coaching versus player? Ultimately, you're never gonna have the perfect team. Sometimes you have the perfect call, and someone screws it up or the other team makes a great play. Sometimes you are stuck with a guy you don't have a better option than.

Next question -- When it is GM versus coach?

What I know for sure is: Kyle is responsible for game management -- play calls, time, challenges, offensive starters and game plan, the 53 man roster. We got confirmation last year that he delegates the defensive game plan to the DC (remember the surprise that Ward wasn't going to shadow Metcalf?) -- likewise that means he also delegates special teams to that coordinator. Both are pretty "duh" things because that's those guys' jobs. It makes total sense. Kyle cannot do everything. Nor should he be expected to.

Shanahan is not blameless for this year, but I also think he deserves far less blame than some give him. Already went into detail in another thread as to why.

Originally posted by bud49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Ronnie Bell cut. These moves that show fans are a step ahead of Kyle continue to pile up. I don't want Kyle deciding the final roster anymore he doesn't know how to scout players

When I saw that they had cut Ronnie my thought was why now? You have let him ride on this roster for almost the whole year what is the purpose of cutting him now. There have been some pretty dumb f ing moves made by this team this year.

Bell was the 253rd overall pick. He was a compensartory 7th rounder. They tried him at WR but he played mostly on special teams where he was decent. I don't know what you expected from a player taken that late. They can't all turn out like Purdy.

Injuries have played a part, no doubt about it, but I think it's more than that. The team has looked off for most of the season.

Of his six career receptions with the 49ers, three were tds :) That's definitely something he'll be able to tell his grandkids.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by bud49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Ronnie Bell cut. These moves that show fans are a step ahead of Kyle continue to pile up. I don't want Kyle deciding the final roster anymore he doesn't know how to scout players

When I saw that they had cut Ronnie my thought was why now? You have let him ride on this roster for almost the whole year what is the purpose of cutting him now. There have been some pretty dumb f ing moves made by this team this year.

Bell was the 253rd overall pick. He was a compensartory 7th rounder. They tried him at WR but he played mostly on special teams where he was decent. I don't know what you expected from a player taken that late. They can't all turn out like Purdy.

Cut him in tc before he costs us games. That's what I expected. Instead he made the roster for no reason and started our skid with his drops in LA

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by bud49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Ronnie Bell cut. These moves that show fans are a step ahead of Kyle continue to pile up. I don't want Kyle deciding the final roster anymore he doesn't know how to scout players

When I saw that they had cut Ronnie my thought was why now? You have let him ride on this roster for almost the whole year what is the purpose of cutting him now. There have been some pretty dumb f ing moves made by this team this year.

Bell was the 253rd overall pick. He was a compensartory 7th rounder. They tried him at WR but he played mostly on special teams where he was decent. I don't know what you expected from a player taken that late. They can't all turn out like Purdy.

Cut him in tc before he costs us games. That's what I expected. Instead he made the roster for no reason and started our skid with his drops in LA

Fans forget that he was pretty good last season. He didn't play a lot but when he did he was okay. I think most fans remember that one dropped pass in game 3 and that's all they need to call him garbage. Yhat said I doubt he'll ever be more than a special teams player and a WR buried deep on the depth chart. He was worth taking a shot on in the 7th round.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by DrEll:
lol. yea why should the head coach get that blame 😂

For having to play backups all over the place? Be objective for once. It would make your other debates more palatable.

No no no, don't you think it's perfectly reasonable to expect wins with a near preseason squad out there?

I did in the first half of the season. Against teams that were more beat up like LA. Or laughers like Arizona. Seattle came in pretty weak, but they beat us up.

Can't use injuries as an excuse for every loss. Yes. Vs GB we were decimated so that was expected. But the way we lost in all of those other games isn't due to injuries. It was due to poor coaching.

cue the "players fault" in 3….2….1…

I agree that it wasn't all injuries. Minnesota outplayed us. Arizona was a fluke because we lost our kicker. Well and the Jordan Mason fumble was a huge mistake.

Honest question now -- When is it coaching versus player? Ultimately, you're never gonna have the perfect team. Sometimes you have the perfect call, and someone screws it up or the other team makes a great play. Sometimes you are stuck with a guy you don't have a better option than.

Next question -- When it is GM versus coach?

What I know for sure is: Kyle is responsible for game management -- play calls, time, challenges, offensive starters and game plan, the 53 man roster. We got confirmation last year that he delegates the defensive game plan to the DC (remember the surprise that Ward wasn't going to shadow Metcalf?) -- likewise that means he also delegates special teams to that coordinator. Both are pretty "duh" things because that's those guys' jobs. It makes total sense. Kyle cannot do everything. Nor should he be expected to.

Shanahan is not blameless for this year, but I also think he deserves far less blame than some give him. Already went into detail in another thread as to why.

It's coaching (over player) when the same mistakes happen over and over. When special teams costs you every week one way or another….and it's happening so often that we as fans almost expect them to screw us…you cannot keep blaming players. So you take it one step up and say it's the STs coach. So now the STs coach is not preparing his unit week in and week out, so they same mistakes are happening over and over, then who should we blame ? The players ? The ST coach ? No at this point it's the head coach because he's not holding that unit responsible.

Example two. You oline is good for multiple penalties every game. So we blame the players. Brendel sucks. McKivitz sucks. Every week they make a drive killing penalty. Or allow momentum changing sack. Punishment ? None. Keep doing more of the same. Oline coach ? Nope no changes. Who to blame ?

as discussed on this very page, Ronnie Bell cut. 6 weeks too late. He should have been the cut the moment he dropped that game ending catch in LA. Every arm chair fan saw he was a liability. Not Kyle though. He continued to play him until for whatever random reason this week was the week he saw that Ronnie Bell isn't worth a roster spot.

you can only blame players for so long. When issues become a pattern, it goes beyond blaming players, refs, injuries, weather, etc. There's a bigger problem here in San Fran. And the sooner we acknowledge it, the sooner start making mends…

you can't have a team that is undisciplined, stale, sloppy and self defeating be described as well coached. It does not add up. This team is far from well coached.

"stale, sloppy, and prone to playing down to its opponent".
I don't think we're playing clean," Lynch said. "When I watch practice, we play very hard. Anyone who challenges the work ethic of this team, our work habits, we're well coached. For whatever reason, we haven't been a very disciplined football team, and that goes down to the very end in terms of finishing."

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
I see we've shifted to injuries excuse now. Just shows that Kyle's coaching is 100% talent based.

Aren't all coaches 100% talent based, didn't see Andy Reid winning a Super Bowl without Mahomes. How many Super Bowls did Belichick win after Tom Brady left? Some of you people I swear.

What did the Rams do to push them over the hump, they went out and got Matt Stafford, Jalen Ramsey and Von Miller.

Originally posted by DrEll:
I did in the first half of the season. Against teams that were more beat up like LA. Or laughers like Arizona. Seattle came in pretty weak, but they beat us up.

Can't use injuries as an excuse for every loss. Yes. Vs GB we were decimated so that was expected. But the way we lost in all of those other games isn't due to injuries. It was due to poor coaching.

cue the "players fault" in 3….2….1…

No one is saying that every loss is because of injuries. Stop deflecting and gaslighting.

acting like Kyle is the sole reason for every loss and then has no part in the victories (which there's been a lot) is the whole reason your takes are pointless.

You already refuse to talk about actual football, so at this pt it's just whinny takes that lack any real nuance and you leave zero room to have a logical conversation.

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
He will get more heat after the bills smash us on Sunday night football. Will be harder for the media to defend him.

Why will the 9ers get smashed?

As long as Yiadom is out there at corner, no Bosa and DeVondre Campbell is playing… the defense is awful. They'll give up 30+.

So why does Shanahan need defending if the defense f**ks up?

lol. yea why should the head coach get that blame 😂

Comes back from TO and pulls his phone out middle of night to post about Kyle 😂