49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Hey I don't like that Kyle doesn't use all his RBs in games. But I'm not trying to whine about it or whine about firing him. There's reasons for everything, whether it's right or wrong. But in the end Kyle Shanahan is the best HC the 49ers have had since Harbaugh, f**k going back to post-Harbaugh days, no thanks.

I'd like to see another Super Bowl WIN before I friggin die so "just good enough" isn't good enough for the 49ers. He's not gonna get us that 6th trophy so let's try someone new.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

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Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
Lol speaking of, I remember how it was completely ok to blame the QB even after having one of the most successful careers in 49ers history(top 5ish) yet its blasphemy to blame the HC for literally anything at all. Can someone honestly explain the sheer hypocrisy to me please? That's an honest question.

The same people that used to be negative and whiny after wins because a QB didn't have air yards are now telling others that its wrong to complain about 5-6. It's nothing more than double standards.

It's all in the film.. the emperor jimmy had no clothes

He won games though and got us to the Superbowl... I thought that's all that mattered? Right? Is that not the argument y'all are making the last while?

When in reality, though Jimmy was one of the most successful QBs in our history he failed when it mattered the most and even as a fan I was happy he was gone. Unlike you hypocrites(sorry to be blunt butv it is hypocrisy)I hold Shanny to the same standards. Winning games is cool and all but 2nd place is absolutely nothing to be proud of. The goal is to win Super Bowls. Jimmy didn't get it done, Shanny isn't getting it done. Both have won a lot of games even though Shanny was bottom tier and had one of the worst records in the entire NFL before Jimmy helped turn the team around.

As a 49er fan and season ticket holder, I loved the winning and the chances to be a champion. I watched the last 3 SBs live.

but also as a football fan, the more I watched the more I knew Alex, Kaep, jimmy would need help from other areas to get us over the hump.

it is what it is

I say the same about Kyle... I want nothing more in my sports life to be proven wrong but I don't think I am. The evidence is monumental. I mean there's always a chance Shanny meets someone who's a worse choke artist than him but I doubt it. Even getting to the Superbowl we've been very fortunate. I'm a Jimmy Stan but once I realized he wasn't getting it done, It was time to move on. Even though, like Kyle he's shown he can get us there.

You say that it's on Kyle. But it's only cause he's in charge. When you watch film, you see the real mistakes by the players.

I've watched a lot of coaches and the ones who win SBs are the ones who had a generational QB. Imagine having a coach who can get you to a SB without a generational QB.. we have that guy.

I will take my chances with Kyle and hope to get a good QB than trying to find another coach and find a generational QB. Impossible odds on the later

I'm beating a dead horse here but a generational QB like Mahomes, potentially the GOAT was given the ball last in OT to outright win the game by Kyle. An extremely stupid decision imo. I know you won't agree but it was inexcusably stupid to me. We wanted to get the ball third?! Lol we were never getting the ball back no matter what. That gave Mahomes an extra down on 4th while we had to settle for a FG on 4th. Kyle the offensive genius literally took the ball out of the offenses hands and relied on our defense against generational talent.

Chiefs were going for two no matter what to win the game when Kyle gifted(I'm a believer he didn't know the rule tbh) Mahomes his championship. Instead of Kyle making that decision, he gave Reid and his great QB that decision.

A generational QB drive down and won it because Kyle handcuffed himself. But if Kyle doesn't handcuff himself his offense should have had 4 downs, while keeping Mahomes to 3. Again I know that's rehashing an old argument but if we're talking generational talent you don't give Michael Jordan or Kobe the final shot if you have the choice. That's just ridiculously stupid and that's what Shanny did with Mahomes. Look at Buffalo earlier this year. They had 4th and 2 and decided that a FG wasn't enough because they were certain Mahomes would score. So instead of gift wrapping Mahomes the ball they went for it and won. It's common sense.

If we did get the ball second and couldn't score a TD you would be upset still

again, another ST mistake happened and it costed us. Do others blame harbaugh for Kyle Williams fumbles?

Yes 100% I blame Kyle for the numerous uncountable mistakes that his team has historically done due to no being mentally prepared. Now one or two things like a Kyle Williams(Luter being a moron) fumble but missed interceptions, fumbles in the redzone, missed throws to put the game away, missed XP's, allowing Mahomes to miraculously scramble and hit a receiver on what? 3rd and 15? Defense intercepting the ball in KC territory then penalties and not giving the ball to CMC. Mistake after mistake after mistake after mistake after mistake after mistake after mistake in all three phases is eventually on the HC. Choke job after choke job like the 3 we've already seen in 11 games this year.

And if we didn't score, we still lose but we had the ball in our hands to win it and control OUR OWN destiny. I would still not be happy but to put the ball in Mahomes hands to control HIS DESTINY was flat out dumb coaching. Sheer stupidity. Again, I'm certain Kyle didn't even know the rule as the players were unaware themselves. I mean, at least he was able to go there and party and set an amazing example of how serous he was about it. I'm not saying that was a huge deal but him getting wasted does show where his priorities were. He was there to party. Maybe I'm wrong but I've never seen a coach get completely s**t faced like Kyle did. Again, did that lose us the SB and was it the biggest deal? No, but to me it does show a bit of unseriousness and that type of unseriousness reflected to the teams mistakes.

So fumbles are Kyle's mistake okay got it, that's all I needed to know. And then in the end you want to fault Kyle for getting smashed the days before the Super Bowl? Can you honestly tell me with a straight face that no coach drinks the week before the Super Bowl?

As for the OT rules, f**k!!! The refs don't even know the rules sometimes, see Fridy nights KC vs LV game, they call an illegal shift and no f**kin player shifted!!! So yah fault Kyle for not knowing the OT rules, whatever, if the refs call one holding call against KC that Super Bowl outcome changes drastically.

But yah keep hating on Kyle you're looking very smart.

100% mental mistakes are a sign of poor coaching. It's not even debatable. As I said maybe one fumble and I get it. But countless mistakes are a direct reflection of having your team mentally unprepared. Again, I just don't think you all understand what a head coach is. I'm not saying that to troll, but you guys literally have no clue the job of a head coach. You guys think the head coach bares no responsibility whatsoever of the team performance. Literally none. Zero. Nada yet you question my smartness when you think a HC is nothing at all. Oh... Well he does get all the credit when good things happen hypocritically but literally gets no blame whatsoever on the bad things.

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
100% mental mistakes are a sign of poor coaching. It's not even debatable. As I said maybe one fumble and I get it. But countless mistakes are a direct reflection of having your team mentally unprepared. Again, I just don't think you all understand what a head coach is. I'm not saying that to troll, but you guys literally have no clue the job of a head coach. You guys think the head coach bares no responsibility whatsoever of the team performance. Literally none. Zero. Nada yet you question my smartness when you think a HC is nothing at all. Oh... Well he does get all the credit when good things happen hypocritically but literally gets no blame whatsoever on the bad things.

When it comes to how soft the media is on Kyle, that's totally a Bay Area thing. I for one hope he ends up in a large market like NY or Chicago. The media and fans will eat the guy alive. He has problems taking criticism from the charmin soft media here when by some miracle someone actually points out some mistake to him. It's rare but it happens every once in a while.

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
100% mental mistakes are a sign of poor coaching. It's not even debatable. As I said maybe one fumble and I get it. But countless mistakes are a direct reflection of having your team mentally unprepared. Again, I just don't think you all understand what a head coach is. I'm not saying that to troll, but you guys literally have no clue the job of a head coach. You guys think the head coach bares no responsibility whatsoever of the team performance. Literally none. Zero. Nada yet you question my smartness when you think a HC is nothing at all. Oh... Well he does get all the credit when good things happen hypocritically but literally gets no blame whatsoever on the bad things.

When it comes to how soft the media is on Kyle, that's totally a Bay Area thing. I for one hope he ends up in a large market like NY or Chicago. The media and fans will eat the guy alive. He has problems taking criticism from the charmin soft media here when by some miracle someone actually points out some mistake to him. It's rare but it happens every once in a while.

The talking heads on fox this morning hit it on the head. Injuries are a part of the story but this teams failure is attributed to being mentally weak, unprepared and they lack the ability to make adjustments. Those are all on the coach. Slow strip of the Kyle genius veneer is well under way. They stopped short of saying his name but that's next. Kyle is responsible and will be held to account for wasting so much talent and opportunities. I cant wait for him to pack his s**t and get out. You are right. I hope he lands in a big market, win or else town. He will finally be evaluated honestly and it will hurt. I don't think he will be able to handle it. He will wash out.

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
Lol speaking of, I remember how it was completely ok to blame the QB even after having one of the most successful careers in 49ers history(top 5ish) yet its blasphemy to blame the HC for literally anything at all. Can someone honestly explain the sheer hypocrisy to me please? That's an honest question.

The same people that used to be negative and whiny after wins because a QB didn't have air yards are now telling others that its wrong to complain about 5-6. It's nothing more than double standards.

It's all in the film.. the emperor jimmy had no clothes

He won games though and got us to the Superbowl... I thought that's all that mattered? Right? Is that not the argument y'all are making the last while?

When in reality, though Jimmy was one of the most successful QBs in our history he failed when it mattered the most and even as a fan I was happy he was gone. Unlike you hypocrites(sorry to be blunt butv it is hypocrisy)I hold Shanny to the same standards. Winning games is cool and all but 2nd place is absolutely nothing to be proud of. The goal is to win Super Bowls. Jimmy didn't get it done, Shanny isn't getting it done. Both have won a lot of games even though Shanny was bottom tier and had one of the worst records in the entire NFL before Jimmy helped turn the team around.

As a 49er fan and season ticket holder, I loved the winning and the chances to be a champion. I watched the last 3 SBs live.

but also as a football fan, the more I watched the more I knew Alex, Kaep, jimmy would need help from other areas to get us over the hump.

it is what it is

I say the same about Kyle... I want nothing more in my sports life to be proven wrong but I don't think I am. The evidence is monumental. I mean there's always a chance Shanny meets someone who's a worse choke artist than him but I doubt it. Even getting to the Superbowl we've been very fortunate. I'm a Jimmy Stan but once I realized he wasn't getting it done, It was time to move on. Even though, like Kyle he's shown he can get us there.

You say that it's on Kyle. But it's only cause he's in charge. When you watch film, you see the real mistakes by the players.

I've watched a lot of coaches and the ones who win SBs are the ones who had a generational QB. Imagine having a coach who can get you to a SB without a generational QB.. we have that guy.

I will take my chances with Kyle and hope to get a good QB than trying to find another coach and find a generational QB. Impossible odds on the later

I'm beating a dead horse here but a generational QB like Mahomes, potentially the GOAT was given the ball last in OT to outright win the game by Kyle. An extremely stupid decision imo. I know you won't agree but it was inexcusably stupid to me. We wanted to get the ball third?! Lol we were never getting the ball back no matter what. That gave Mahomes an extra down on 4th while we had to settle for a FG on 4th. Kyle the offensive genius literally took the ball out of the offenses hands and relied on our defense against generational talent.

Chiefs were going for two no matter what to win the game when Kyle gifted(I'm a believer he didn't know the rule tbh) Mahomes his championship. Instead of Kyle making that decision, he gave Reid and his great QB that decision.

A generational QB drive down and won it because Kyle handcuffed himself. But if Kyle doesn't handcuff himself his offense should have had 4 downs, while keeping Mahomes to 3. Again I know that's rehashing an old argument but if we're talking generational talent you don't give Michael Jordan or Kobe the final shot if you have the choice. That's just ridiculously stupid and that's what Shanny did with Mahomes. Look at Buffalo earlier this year. They had 4th and 2 and decided that a FG wasn't enough because they were certain Mahomes would score. So instead of gift wrapping Mahomes the ball they went for it and won. It's common sense.

If we did get the ball second and couldn't score a TD you would be upset still

again, another ST mistake happened and it costed us. Do others blame harbaugh for Kyle Williams fumbles?

Yes, people blame Harbaugh for Kyle Williams being in the game, as they should. Kyle Williams had catching issues that Harbaugh and staff never addressed. The true mistake was letting Ted Ginn Jr. walk in free agency.

so letting Ginn walk the following season after the SB would Have addressed Kyle Williams returning punts in the NFCG due to ginn being injured and inactive in the first place? Interesting

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
The talking heads on fox this morning hit it on the head. Injuries are a part of the story but this teams failure is attributed to being mentally weak, unprepared and they lack the ability to make adjustments. Those are all on the coach. Slow strip of the Kyle genius veneer is well under way. They stopped short of saying his name but that's next. Kyle is responsible and will be held to account for wasting so much talent and opportunities. I cant wait for him to pack his s**t and get out. You are right. I hope he lands in a big market, win or else town. He will finally be evaluated honestly and it will hurt. I don't think he will be able to handle it. He will wash out.

Yeah, they ripped him this morning. Mentally weak, unprepared, don't make in game adjustments, can't overcome injuries, and don't score in the red zone.

I'll add, Kyle totally failed to hire a DC. Kyle totally failed to hire a ST coordinator. He won't throw screens on blitzes. The team is flat, and he does nothing to keep them fired up. The players look like what's the point if he can't hold it together to win if they Do get him back to the SB. Look, Kyle Knows he blew it by giving KC the first chance to win, and giving them 4 downs instead of his 3 on the critical drive. He looks unenergetic and down.

Now Lynch has come out being critical of how the team is playing, and we all know who's shoulders that falls on. I don't believe he'd be going public with that without first broaching the subject with Jed. Lynch said this is unacceptable, and that means, he sees opportunities for improvement. I think Kyle is tired, and needs a year or two off. Whether it's Ben Johnson or someone else, Lynch (and Jed) know this team could benefit from some intelligent youthful exuberance.

A big reason we can't overcome injuries is because of that idiotic attitude of "pay the man". No. Try doing what Walsh and Belichick always did while they were filling up their trophy cases. When they get too old or too expensive or too important in their own mind, Trade the Man and broaden the constant inflow of new talent. Football dynasties don't get old. That, and a new coach, is what Lynch needs to get that traction back, and I think he knows it. I expect he's told Jed he'll get it done if allowed to, and I believe he will.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
so letting Ginn walk the following season after the SB would Have addressed Kyle Williams returning punts in the NFCG due to ginn being injured and inactive in the first place? Interesting

i'll take kyle's who choke for $500 Alex

@NY the guy who was pissed off that we traded for CMC however that's possible. I moved this from the other thread to not make two choke threads.

What was Shanny's record before Jimmy? Care to enlighten me? Then what was Kyles record with Jimmy? NY won't answer but maybe you will. Why was Shanny literally the worst coach in the league before Jimmy? Let's talk football NY. What changed here exactly? To be clear I'm not saying Jimmy was the complete savior but he was no doubt one of the biggest additions that turned this team around. Kyle had one of the worst records in the entire NFL before Jimmy stepped in. This is undebatable.

Larry Krueger has a different opinion on what might happen with Kyle this offseason.
Larry agrees that Kyle looks tired. If jed and/or Lynch goes to Kyle and tells him we are going to take away some of your responsibility so you can concentrate on coaching more he thinks Kyle might resign. I don't think there is even a 1% chance Kyle gets fired but I definitely could see Kyle getting angry that he was being relieved of some of his responsibility and resigning.

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
Larry Krueger has a different opinion on what might happen with Kyle this offseason.
Larry agrees that Kyle looks tired. If jed and/or Lynch goes to Kyle and tells him we are going to take away some of your responsibility so you can concentrate on coaching more he thinks Kyle might resign. I don't think there is even a 1% chance Kyle gets fired but I definitely could see Kyle getting angry that he was being relieved of some of his responsibility and resigning.

If that happened I wouldn't blame Kyle if he resigned. I guess it would depend on how they told him and exacty what responsibilities they wanted to take away.

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Hey I don't like that Kyle doesn't use all his RBs in games. But I'm not trying to whine about it or whine about firing him. There's reasons for everything, whether it's right or wrong. But in the end Kyle Shanahan is the best HC the 49ers have had since Harbaugh, f**k going back to post-Harbaugh days, no thanks.

I'd like to see another Super Bowl WIN before I friggin die so "just good enough" isn't good enough for the 49ers. He's not gonna get us that 6th trophy so let's try someone new.

Lol so lets try someone new every season things don't go our way. This isn't Madden. Some of you fans are a disgrace.

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

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Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
Lol speaking of, I remember how it was completely ok to blame the QB even after having one of the most successful careers in 49ers history(top 5ish) yet its blasphemy to blame the HC for literally anything at all. Can someone honestly explain the sheer hypocrisy to me please? That's an honest question.

The same people that used to be negative and whiny after wins because a QB didn't have air yards are now telling others that its wrong to complain about 5-6. It's nothing more than double standards.

It's all in the film.. the emperor jimmy had no clothes

He won games though and got us to the Superbowl... I thought that's all that mattered? Right? Is that not the argument y'all are making the last while?

When in reality, though Jimmy was one of the most successful QBs in our history he failed when it mattered the most and even as a fan I was happy he was gone. Unlike you hypocrites(sorry to be blunt butv it is hypocrisy)I hold Shanny to the same standards. Winning games is cool and all but 2nd place is absolutely nothing to be proud of. The goal is to win Super Bowls. Jimmy didn't get it done, Shanny isn't getting it done. Both have won a lot of games even though Shanny was bottom tier and had one of the worst records in the entire NFL before Jimmy helped turn the team around.

As a 49er fan and season ticket holder, I loved the winning and the chances to be a champion. I watched the last 3 SBs live.

but also as a football fan, the more I watched the more I knew Alex, Kaep, jimmy would need help from other areas to get us over the hump.

it is what it is

I say the same about Kyle... I want nothing more in my sports life to be proven wrong but I don't think I am. The evidence is monumental. I mean there's always a chance Shanny meets someone who's a worse choke artist than him but I doubt it. Even getting to the Superbowl we've been very fortunate. I'm a Jimmy Stan but once I realized he wasn't getting it done, It was time to move on. Even though, like Kyle he's shown he can get us there.

You say that it's on Kyle. But it's only cause he's in charge. When you watch film, you see the real mistakes by the players.

I've watched a lot of coaches and the ones who win SBs are the ones who had a generational QB. Imagine having a coach who can get you to a SB without a generational QB.. we have that guy.

I will take my chances with Kyle and hope to get a good QB than trying to find another coach and find a generational QB. Impossible odds on the later

I'm beating a dead horse here but a generational QB like Mahomes, potentially the GOAT was given the ball last in OT to outright win the game by Kyle. An extremely stupid decision imo. I know you won't agree but it was inexcusably stupid to me. We wanted to get the ball third?! Lol we were never getting the ball back no matter what. That gave Mahomes an extra down on 4th while we had to settle for a FG on 4th. Kyle the offensive genius literally took the ball out of the offenses hands and relied on our defense against generational talent.

Chiefs were going for two no matter what to win the game when Kyle gifted(I'm a believer he didn't know the rule tbh) Mahomes his championship. Instead of Kyle making that decision, he gave Reid and his great QB that decision.

A generational QB drive down and won it because Kyle handcuffed himself. But if Kyle doesn't handcuff himself his offense should have had 4 downs, while keeping Mahomes to 3. Again I know that's rehashing an old argument but if we're talking generational talent you don't give Michael Jordan or Kobe the final shot if you have the choice. That's just ridiculously stupid and that's what Shanny did with Mahomes. Look at Buffalo earlier this year. They had 4th and 2 and decided that a FG wasn't enough because they were certain Mahomes would score. So instead of gift wrapping Mahomes the ball they went for it and won. It's common sense.

If we did get the ball second and couldn't score a TD you would be upset still

again, another ST mistake happened and it costed us. Do others blame harbaugh for Kyle Williams fumbles?

Yes 100% I blame Kyle for the numerous uncountable mistakes that his team has historically done due to no being mentally prepared. Now one or two things like a Kyle Williams(Luter being a moron) fumble but missed interceptions, fumbles in the redzone, missed throws to put the game away, missed XP's, allowing Mahomes to miraculously scramble and hit a receiver on what? 3rd and 15? Defense intercepting the ball in KC territory then penalties and not giving the ball to CMC. Mistake after mistake after mistake after mistake after mistake after mistake after mistake in all three phases is eventually on the HC. Choke job after choke job like the 3 we've already seen in 11 games this year.

And if we didn't score, we still lose but we had the ball in our hands to win it and control OUR OWN destiny. I would still not be happy but to put the ball in Mahomes hands to control HIS DESTINY was flat out dumb coaching. Sheer stupidity. Again, I'm certain Kyle didn't even know the rule as the players were unaware themselves. I mean, at least he was able to go there and party and set an amazing example of how serous he was about it. I'm not saying that was a huge deal but him getting wasted does show where his priorities were. He was there to party. Maybe I'm wrong but I've never seen a coach get completely s**t faced like Kyle did. Again, did that lose us the SB and was it the biggest deal? No, but to me it does show a bit of unseriousness and that type of unseriousness reflected to the teams mistakes.

So fumbles are Kyle's mistake okay got it, that's all I needed to know. And then in the end you want to fault Kyle for getting smashed the days before the Super Bowl? Can you honestly tell me with a straight face that no coach drinks the week before the Super Bowl?

As for the OT rules, f**k!!! The refs don't even know the rules sometimes, see Fridy nights KC vs LV game, they call an illegal shift and no f**kin player shifted!!! So yah fault Kyle for not knowing the OT rules, whatever, if the refs call one holding call against KC that Super Bowl outcome changes drastically.

But yah keep hating on Kyle you're looking very smart.

100% mental mistakes are a sign of poor coaching. It's not even debatable. As I said maybe one fumble and I get it. But countless mistakes are a direct reflection of having your team mentally unprepared. Again, I just don't think you all understand what a head coach is. I'm not saying that to troll, but you guys literally have no clue the job of a head coach. You guys think the head coach bares no responsibility whatsoever of the team performance. Literally none. Zero. Nada yet you question my smartness when you think a HC is nothing at all. Oh... Well he does get all the credit when good things happen hypocritically but literally gets no blame whatsoever on the bad things.

Lmfao you saying we have no clue then at the same time sit here blaming payer mistakes on Shanahan. And you just blame Shanahan thats your problem when there's other coaches and position coaches. So you're right there may be a coaching problem you just need to get past your hate.

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
@NY the guy who was pissed off that we traded for CMC however that's possible. I moved this from the other thread to not make two choke threads.

What was Shanny's record before Jimmy? Care to enlighten me? Then what was Kyles record with Jimmy? NY won't answer but maybe you will. Why was Shanny literally the worst coach in the league before Jimmy? Let's talk football NY. What changed here exactly? To be clear I'm not saying Jimmy was the complete savior but he was no doubt one of the biggest additions that turned this team around. Kyle had one of the worst records in the entire NFL before Jimmy stepped in. This is undebatable.

nice graphic. we see when JG came in that's when hope and winning arrived. things were looking bright

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Lol so lets try someone new every season things don't go our way. This isn't Madden. Some of you fans are a disgrace.

I embrace being a disgrace and a realist.
you Shanna-fans……..are very funny, and in the minority now.
Your boy is being seen for the choke he's always been.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
Lol speaking of, I remember how it was completely ok to blame the QB even after having one of the most successful careers in 49ers history(top 5ish) yet its blasphemy to blame the HC for literally anything at all. Can someone honestly explain the sheer hypocrisy to me please? That's an honest question.

The same people that used to be negative and whiny after wins because a QB didn't have air yards are now telling others that its wrong to complain about 5-6. It's nothing more than double standards.

It's all in the film.. the emperor jimmy had no clothes

He won games though and got us to the Superbowl... I thought that's all that mattered? Right? Is that not the argument y'all are making the last while?

When in reality, though Jimmy was one of the most successful QBs in our history he failed when it mattered the most and even as a fan I was happy he was gone. Unlike you hypocrites(sorry to be blunt butv it is hypocrisy)I hold Shanny to the same standards. Winning games is cool and all but 2nd place is absolutely nothing to be proud of. The goal is to win Super Bowls. Jimmy didn't get it done, Shanny isn't getting it done. Both have won a lot of games even though Shanny was bottom tier and had one of the worst records in the entire NFL before Jimmy helped turn the team around.

As a 49er fan and season ticket holder, I loved the winning and the chances to be a champion. I watched the last 3 SBs live.

but also as a football fan, the more I watched the more I knew Alex, Kaep, jimmy would need help from other areas to get us over the hump.

it is what it is

I say the same about Kyle... I want nothing more in my sports life to be proven wrong but I don't think I am. The evidence is monumental. I mean there's always a chance Shanny meets someone who's a worse choke artist than him but I doubt it. Even getting to the Superbowl we've been very fortunate. I'm a Jimmy Stan but once I realized he wasn't getting it done, It was time to move on. Even though, like Kyle he's shown he can get us there.

You say that it's on Kyle. But it's only cause he's in charge. When you watch film, you see the real mistakes by the players.

I've watched a lot of coaches and the ones who win SBs are the ones who had a generational QB. Imagine having a coach who can get you to a SB without a generational QB.. we have that guy.

I will take my chances with Kyle and hope to get a good QB than trying to find another coach and find a generational QB. Impossible odds on the later

I'm beating a dead horse here but a generational QB like Mahomes, potentially the GOAT was given the ball last in OT to outright win the game by Kyle. An extremely stupid decision imo. I know you won't agree but it was inexcusably stupid to me. We wanted to get the ball third?! Lol we were never getting the ball back no matter what. That gave Mahomes an extra down on 4th while we had to settle for a FG on 4th. Kyle the offensive genius literally took the ball out of the offenses hands and relied on our defense against generational talent.

Chiefs were going for two no matter what to win the game when Kyle gifted(I'm a believer he didn't know the rule tbh) Mahomes his championship. Instead of Kyle making that decision, he gave Reid and his great QB that decision.

A generational QB drive down and won it because Kyle handcuffed himself. But if Kyle doesn't handcuff himself his offense should have had 4 downs, while keeping Mahomes to 3. Again I know that's rehashing an old argument but if we're talking generational talent you don't give Michael Jordan or Kobe the final shot if you have the choice. That's just ridiculously stupid and that's what Shanny did with Mahomes. Look at Buffalo earlier this year. They had 4th and 2 and decided that a FG wasn't enough because they were certain Mahomes would score. So instead of gift wrapping Mahomes the ball they went for it and won. It's common sense.

If we did get the ball second and couldn't score a TD you would be upset still

again, another ST mistake happened and it costed us. Do others blame harbaugh for Kyle Williams fumbles?

Yes 100% I blame Kyle for the numerous uncountable mistakes that his team has historically done due to no being mentally prepared. Now one or two things like a Kyle Williams(Luter being a moron) fumble but missed interceptions, fumbles in the redzone, missed throws to put the game away, missed XP's, allowing Mahomes to miraculously scramble and hit a receiver on what? 3rd and 15? Defense intercepting the ball in KC territory then penalties and not giving the ball to CMC. Mistake after mistake after mistake after mistake after mistake after mistake after mistake in all three phases is eventually on the HC. Choke job after choke job like the 3 we've already seen in 11 games this year.

And if we didn't score, we still lose but we had the ball in our hands to win it and control OUR OWN destiny. I would still not be happy but to put the ball in Mahomes hands to control HIS DESTINY was flat out dumb coaching. Sheer stupidity. Again, I'm certain Kyle didn't even know the rule as the players were unaware themselves. I mean, at least he was able to go there and party and set an amazing example of how serous he was about it. I'm not saying that was a huge deal but him getting wasted does show where his priorities were. He was there to party. Maybe I'm wrong but I've never seen a coach get completely s**t faced like Kyle did. Again, did that lose us the SB and was it the biggest deal? No, but to me it does show a bit of unseriousness and that type of unseriousness reflected to the teams mistakes.

So fumbles are Kyle's mistake okay got it, that's all I needed to know. And then in the end you want to fault Kyle for getting smashed the days before the Super Bowl? Can you honestly tell me with a straight face that no coach drinks the week before the Super Bowl?

As for the OT rules, f**k!!! The refs don't even know the rules sometimes, see Fridy nights KC vs LV game, they call an illegal shift and no f**kin player shifted!!! So yah fault Kyle for not knowing the OT rules, whatever, if the refs call one holding call against KC that Super Bowl outcome changes drastically.

But yah keep hating on Kyle you're looking very smart.

100% mental mistakes are a sign of poor coaching. It's not even debatable. As I said maybe one fumble and I get it. But countless mistakes are a direct reflection of having your team mentally unprepared. Again, I just don't think you all understand what a head coach is. I'm not saying that to troll, but you guys literally have no clue the job of a head coach. You guys think the head coach bares no responsibility whatsoever of the team performance. Literally none. Zero. Nada yet you question my smartness when you think a HC is nothing at all. Oh... Well he does get all the credit when good things happen hypocritically but literally gets no blame whatsoever on the bad things.

Lmfao you saying we have no clue then at the same time sit here blaming payer mistakes on Shanahan. And you just blame Shanahan thats your problem when there's other coaches and position coaches. So you're right there may be a coaching problem you just need to get past your hate.

So Shanny is only a product of players? Hm. When we win it's all on the players? Yes or no?