49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
4 years ago?

more like the last 4 years but let pretend that never happened lol

Back up LT
Back up LG
Back up C
playing with their 3/4th string RB
playing with their 2/3 and 5th string receivers
playing with a hobbled TE
QB who is playing gun shy and would rather run the ball

and that's just offense. Talk to me when we're fully healthy and still have the stats above

ExcusesAllTheTime

Ok Mr jimmy fab

Excusers are saying the NFL has it in for the Niners. Excuses are saying the officials don't like the Niners but love the Chiefs. Those are excuses.

Reasons are having more key injuries in one season than I can remember. Devastaing injuries. Two players losing children. One [layer getting shot. This has been a terrible year and as crazy as it sounds they still have a shot at the playoffs. I doubt it happens but this hasn't been a normal year for this team.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
4 years ago?

more like the last 4 years but let pretend that never happened lol

Back up LT
Back up LG
Back up C
playing with their 3/4th string RB
playing with their 2/3 and 5th string receivers
playing with a hobbled TE
QB who is playing gun shy and would rather run the ball

and that's just offense. Talk to me when we're fully healthy and still have the stats above

ExcusesAllTheTime

Ok Mr jimmy fab

i like shanny but these 1 sided takes are no good. fully healthy last year, no ring, guys don't know the rules, it's disorganization, and a botched DC situation 2 years straight. so understand the red flags that go along with the good. you are focused on stuff out of anyone's control. focus on the stuff under our control.

What changes if the players know the rules?

no hypotheticals, just reality. in reality, your harvard guy saying he wasn't educated on rules and didn't know and it wasn't discussed as a team, not a good look. your career long man of the year saying it also, not a good look. particularly when the other sideline did all that stuff, and we didn't. let's just be real about the red flags i know you want to say only wonderful things about shanny and that prevents you from an honest analysis but i see the good and the not so good.

Yeah cause if they woulda known the rules they woulda actually tried to score a TD rather than settling for a FG. But we're working with hypotheticals. The players knowing how the OT rules is not a requirement. Because the job of the player is to always to score a TD.

I have said Shanny needs to modernize his passing game a few times. His over reliance on having his passing game build off of having a good running game can be a problem. Shanahan also has been mid at red zone offense. His creativity between the 20s disappears in the red zone. And he should be targeting Kittle a f**k ton more. I'm just not gonna blast Shanahan for possibly not explaining to the players the overtime rules as if the objective changes at all. Now if Shanny didn't know the rules himself that is a problem but no one can prove he did or did not.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Yeah cause if they woulda known the rules they woulda actually tried to score a TD rather than settling for a FG. But we're working with hypotheticals. The players knowing how the OT rules is not a requirement. Because the job of the player is to always to score a TD.

I have said Shanny needs to modernize his passing game a few times. His over reliance on having his passing game build off of having a good running game can be a problem. Shanahan also has been mid at red zone offense. His creativity between the 20s disappears in the red zone. And he should be targeting Kittle a f**k ton more. I'm just not gonna blast Shanahan for possibly not explaining to the players the overtime rules as if the objective changes at all. Now if Shanny didn't know the rules himself that is a problem but no one can prove he did or did not.

fair enough,

to me we all know the good we have seen it, high ranks on O over his time

the bad is the recent DC hires, the SB58 OT moves and blown up protections on key downs, the QB moves (lance), the recent drafts on O players not even here anymore, and an O getting increasingly stagnant or not as cutting edge as it used to be. he also has a history of getting tight in the big game.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Yeah cause if they woulda known the rules they woulda actually tried to score a TD rather than settling for a FG. But we're working with hypotheticals. The players knowing how the OT rules is not a requirement. Because the job of the player is to always to score a TD.

I have said Shanny needs to modernize his passing game a few times. His over reliance on having his passing game build off of having a good running game can be a problem. Shanahan also has been mid at red zone offense. His creativity between the 20s disappears in the red zone. And he should be targeting Kittle a f**k ton more. I'm just not gonna blast Shanahan for possibly not explaining to the players the overtime rules as if the objective changes at all. Now if Shanny didn't know the rules himself that is a problem but no one can prove he did or did not.

fair enough,

to me we all know the good we have seen it, high ranks on O over his time

the bad is the recent DC hires, the SB58 OT moves and blown up protections on key downs, the QB moves (lance), the recent drafts on O players not even here anymore, and an O getting increasingly stagnant or not as cutting edge as it used to be. he also has a history of getting tight in the big game.

The DC hires is just paying for having 2 phenomenal DC hires prior. You and I disagree on Lance. I was a Fields guy but apparently that just wasn't the draft to need a QB. I don't think this offense will ever be cutting edge but the drop back game needs major work. This will be a pretty entertaining offseason as there should be quite a bit of action. I do think he brings back Saleh to be the DC and try and bring back the fire that this defense used to play with. We can't fix every hole in one offseason but with Kyle hopefully refreshed and Saleh bringing some life back to the defense next season hopefully is a step back in the right direction. This season exposed how many holes this team truly has and now Shanalynch need to have a great off season to flex seal this roster. On the plus side Purdy, Huf and Greenlaw will be a bit cheaper to extend.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Excusers are saying the NFL has it in for the Niners. Excuses are saying the officials don't like the Niners but love the Chiefs. Those are excuses.

Reasons are having more key injuries in one season than I can remember. Devastaing injuries. Two players losing children. One [layer getting shot. This has been a terrible year and as crazy as it sounds they still have a shot at the playoffs. I doubt it happens but this hasn't been a normal year for this team.

Not sure how anyone objective can say any of the s**t this yr are excuses. So many bad injuries and unfortunate events this yr.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
The DC hires is just paying for having 2 phenomenal DC hires prior. You and I disagree on Lance. I was a Fields guy but apparently that just wasn't the draft to need a QB. I don't think this offense will ever be cutting edge but the drop back game needs major work. This will be a pretty entertaining offseason as there should be quite a bit of action. I do think he brings back Saleh to be the DC and try and bring back the fire that this defense used to play with. We can't fix every hole in one offseason but with Kyle hopefully refreshed and Saleh bringing some life back to the defense next season hopefully is a step back in the right direction. This season exposed how many holes this team truly has and now Shanalynch need to have a great off season to flex seal this roster. On the plus side Purdy, Huf and Greenlaw will be a bit cheaper to extend.

Hiring Saleh back would be a dream. Players work hard for him and after his time in NY I don't think many teams would be interested in stealing him away anytime soon.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Excusers are saying the NFL has it in for the Niners. Excuses are saying the officials don't like the Niners but love the Chiefs. Those are excuses.

Reasons are having more key injuries in one season than I can remember. Devastaing injuries. Two players losing children. One [layer getting shot. This has been a terrible year and as crazy as it sounds they still have a shot at the playoffs. I doubt it happens but this hasn't been a normal year for this team.

Not sure how anyone objective can say any of the s**t this yr are excuses. So many bad injuries and unfortunate events this yr.

There's still some things that happened to be critical of Shanahan for but then there's the nitpicking clowns who say he needs to be fired cause every draft pick hasn't been a major success.

Is it just me or is our pre snap motions way down this year? NFL has caught up to Kyle's offense. He needs to go into a bunker and come up with a new scheme that beats man coverage.

Originally posted by Rice-a-Ronnie:
Is it just me or is our pre snap motions way down this year? NFL has caught up to Kyle's offense. He needs to go into a bunker and come up with a new scheme that beats man coverage.

Or maybe get back to motioning more, cause Purdy can't execute without it

Kyle Shannahan has to do the hard self assessment and figure out why the 49ers attitude has slipped so much.

And if it's not a relatively easy fix, then he has to make some hard decisions that starts with him and goes down to all the other coaches and the players.

Originally posted by Rice-a-Ronnie:
Is it just me or is our pre snap motions way down this year? NFL has caught up to Kyle's offense. He needs to go into a bunker and come up with a new scheme that beats man coverage.

Think he tried that at the beginning of the season but quickly found out the OL wasn't good enough to execute it

None of Kurt Warner, J.T. O'Sullivan, or Jay Gruden thinks Kyle has a good passing scheme.

Originally posted by Rice-a-Ronnie:
Is it just me or is our pre snap motions way down this year? NFL has caught up to Kyle's offense. He needs to go into a bunker and come up with a new scheme that beats man coverage.

It could be because of have a lot of players in new positions and what not. I remember one game there was a ton of confusion with who was moving when and where.

Why even play starters at this point. What does one do with this team with everyone getting injured and sucking so bad

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:
None of Kurt Warner, J.T. O'Sullivan, or Jay Gruden thinks Kyle has a good passing scheme.

Expert my ass!!