49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
Kyle should take lessons from Detroit on how to compete and win with several players missing due to injury. No excuses, next man up winners. Kyle and his staff are inferior. Better options exist. We just need Jed to grow a pair.

lol, we also had several players missing due to injury the last 3 seasons

Kyle is fading fast. He ain't him.

3 consecutive NFCCGs is now fading fast.. lol

Live in the past and you can't move forward. He is done. No more genius left in the tank.

I think Shanahan is emotionally drained and mentally exhausted which is attributing to his subpar coaching/ play calling. This happens when you lose two close Superbowls and competitively playing in the NFC championship 3 consecutive years. He needs a reset. Time for him to get some sleep and stop focusing on past could have beens. Moreover, his decision making this season on hiring Sorensen in the first place and then not wanting to fire him or even the special teams coach is a clear indication of him refusing to deal with important matters. I think Shanahan needs a little time this offseason to get his mind off football and so he can come back refreshed. He may need some psychological counseling. Next season will reveal the telltale signs of where he is going with his future.

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by HONEYBADGER:

Anyone watch the Detroit v Greenway game tonight? That call by Campbell to go for it on 4th down in the final minute instead of kicking a field goal and giving the ball back to the Packers allowing them a chance to win the game..... That's the difference between Kyle and some of the top tier coaches in the league.

Kyle would have kicked the field goal and prayed his defense could hold....... He lost three Superbowls playing that way.

Disagree wholeheartedly. He would have punted. Too risky to go for that FG on 4th and inches. Punt it for a touchback and let the defense lose….I mean…win it for you.

Fourth down attempts are not really an accurate barometer for aggressiveness.

Niners, Packers, Chiefs, Ravens, Chargers, Bucs, and Cardinals are all in the bottom 7 this year.

Us, the Ravens and Buffalo were among the lowest last year.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by HONEYBADGER:
Anyone watch the Detroit v Greenway game tonight? That call by Campbell to go for it on 4th down in the final minute instead of kicking a field goal and giving the ball back to the Packers allowing them a chance to win the game..... That's the difference between Kyle and some of the top tier coaches in the league.

Kyle would have kicked the field goal and prayed his defense could hold....... He lost three Superbowls playing that way.

Disagree wholeheartedly. He would have punted. Too risky to go for that FG on 4th and inches. Punt it for a touchback and let the defense lose….I mean…win it for you.

Fourth down attempts are not really an accurate barometer for aggressiveness.

Niners, Packers, Chiefs, Ravens, Chargers, Bucs, and Cardinals are all in the bottom 7 this year.

Us, the Ravens and Buffalo were among the lowest last year.

Fourth down attempts may not be a barometer in terms of aggressiveness, but they certainly give you an idea on a coach's ability to manage games. Staley was notorious for going for it on 4th downs in SD, but most of those calls were foolish and he was a poor game manager. On the opposite end of the spectrum is Kyle Shanahan. Conservative at the worst of moments. Could have possibly added three more wins this season if (LA, AZ, Sea) if the playcalling at the end was geared to win instead of not to lose.

Of course, the Kyle apologists will be quick to blame the players. Why did Ronnie Bell drop that pass ? The answer to that question is why was Ronnie Bell in the game when the entire fan base knows he's a liability. Why is our "franchise" quarterback even targeting someone that should, at best, serve as a decoy? This goes on head coaching. This, along with a myriad of other coaching decisions, is why Kyle Shanahan is a failed head coach.

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by HONEYBADGER:

Anyone watch the Detroit v Greenway game tonight? That call by Campbell to go for it on 4th down in the final minute instead of kicking a field goal and giving the ball back to the Packers allowing them a chance to win the game..... That's the difference between Kyle and some of the top tier coaches in the league.

Kyle would have kicked the field goal and prayed his defense could hold....... He lost three Superbowls playing that way.

Disagree wholeheartedly. He would have punted. Too risky to go for that FG on 4th and inches. Punt it for a touchback and let the defense lose….I mean…win it for you.

Fourth down attempts are not really an accurate barometer for aggressiveness.

Niners, Packers, Chiefs, Ravens, Chargers, Bucs, and Cardinals are all in the bottom 7 this year.

Us, the Ravens and Buffalo were among the lowest last year.

Fourth down attempts may not be a barometer in terms of aggressiveness, but they certainly give you an idea on a coach's ability to manage games. Staley was notorious for going for it on 4th downs in SD, but most of those calls were foolish and he was a poor game manager. On the opposite end of the spectrum is Kyle Shanahan. Conservative at the worst of moments. Could have possibly added three more wins this season if (LA, AZ, Sea) if the playcalling at the end was geared to win instead of not to lose.

Of course, the Kyle apologists will be quick to blame the players. Why did Ronnie Bell drop that pass ? The answer to that question is why was Ronnie Bell in the game when the entire fan base knows he's a liability. Why is our "franchise" quarterback even targeting someone that should, at best, serve as a decoy? This goes on head coaching. This, along with a myriad of other coaching decisions, is why Kyle Shanahan is a failed head coach.

Uh.. He was in the game because Deebo and Kittle were both out hurt while Pearsall was still out as well and Cowing reportedly didn't understand the offense enough yet.

So when we split out four wide, we had Jennings, Aiyuk, Conley, and Bell unfortunately that day. It is what it is. You figure Bell would've improved by now, coaches expected that and for him to do his job. Well, he's not on the 53 anymore and we all know why. Bottom line, he was out there due to lack of healthy options.

If you blame Shanahan for him being out there considering the circumstances, you'd have to place equal blame on Brock for throwing it to him. I'd find both to be pretty ridiculous assertions..

Digesting this season it's obvious a good offseason/draft will help reload the roster quickly, but that is logical for basically any team.

I am more curious in that I believe the current coordinators and assistants are not doing that well. They are certainly a drop off from his previous staff's and that shows. Not even pure x's and o's either. I feel like Saleh, Ryans, Mcdaniels. etc brought more fire as well and that stuff counts.

Will he pull the trigger on these guys and try to find new coaches etc? If not then I am not sure what to expect other than similar results.

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
Live in the past and you can't move forward. He is done. No more genius left in the tank.

Because of one massively injured season that dealt with players getting shot and losing children? You're out of bounds

Saying you can't live in the past lol….so Tomlin and Harbs should have been fired a while ago. Right?

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by HONEYBADGER:
Anyone watch the Detroit v Greenway game tonight? That call by Campbell to go for it on 4th down in the final minute instead of kicking a field goal and giving the ball back to the Packers allowing them a chance to win the game..... That's the difference between Kyle and some of the top tier coaches in the league.

Kyle would have kicked the field goal and prayed his defense could hold....... He lost three Superbowls playing that way.

Disagree wholeheartedly. He would have punted. Too risky to go for that FG on 4th and inches. Punt it for a touchback and let the defense lose….I mean…win it for you.

There's the trolling….there was .40 secs left in the game and the Lions were at GB's 20 yard line. There was really no reason to go for it on 4th an inches…s**t was reckless. Kick what's essentially an extra point FG in a dome. GB had one TO left. They maybe get 3 plays to get into FG position tops, if your defense can't stop them in 3 plays you have no business winning football games.

Campbell did the same s**t vs SF in the playoffs and lost in part of him being reckless.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Uh.. He was in the game because Deebo and Kittle were both out hurt while Pearsall was still out as well and Cowing reportedly didn't understand the offense enough yet.

So when we split out four wide, we had Jennings, Aiyuk, Conley, and Bell unfortunately that day. It is what it is. You figure Bell would've improved by now, coaches expected that and for him to do his job. Well, he's not on the 53 anymore and we all know why. Bottom line, he was out there due to lack of healthy options.

If you blame Shanahan for him being out there considering the circumstances, you'd have to place equal blame on Brock for throwing it to him. I'd find both to be pretty ridiculous assertions..

Dude he/she has no clue what they're talking about…just whining with no real idea of how football works. Their posts continuously back that up. Zero nuance or context and if any of that gets brought up, it's an excuse.

lazy ass debater.

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:
I think Shanahan is emotionally drained and mentally exhausted which is attributing to his subpar coaching/ play calling. This happens when you lose two close Superbowls and competitively playing in the NFC championship 3 consecutive years. He needs a reset. Time for him to get some sleep and stop focusing on past could have beens. Moreover, his decision making this season on hiring Sorensen in the first place and then not wanting to fire him or even the special teams coach is a clear indication of him refusing to deal with important matters. I think Shanahan needs a little time this offseason to get his mind off football and so he can come back refreshed. He may need some psychological counseling. Next season will reveal the telltale signs of where he is going with his future.

Cancun in January

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by HONEYBADGER:
Anyone watch the Detroit v Greenway game tonight? That call by Campbell to go for it on 4th down in the final minute instead of kicking a field goal and giving the ball back to the Packers allowing them a chance to win the game..... That's the difference between Kyle and some of the top tier coaches in the league.

Kyle would have kicked the field goal and prayed his defense could hold....... He lost three Superbowls playing that way.

Disagree wholeheartedly. He would have punted. Too risky to go for that FG on 4th and inches. Punt it for a touchback and let the defense lose….I mean…win it for you.

There's the trolling….there was .40 secs left in the game and the Lions were at GB's 20 yard line. There was really no reason to go for it on 4th an inches…s**t was reckless. Kick what's essentially an extra point FG in a dome. GB had one TO left. They maybe get 3 plays to get into FG position tops, if your defense can't stop them in 3 plays you have no business winning football games.

Campbell did the same s**t vs SF in the playoffs and lost in part of him being reckless.

That was deifinitely risky. He tried one earlier and failed that lead to an easy GB score. On the other hand he showed he has alot of faith in his O line.Not so much in his defense.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
That was deifinitely risky. He tried one earlier and failed that lead to an easy GB score. On the other hand he showed he has alot of faith in his O line.Not so much in his defense.

They're pretty banged up on defense and overall with the amount of draft capital and $ put in there…I would think they would be better vs good offenses.

It's cool to say your coach has big nuts and will constantly go for it on 4th down. There's plenty of times Dan got that s**t wrong and cost them the game. IMO there was really no reason to do it with 40 secs left in the RZ. s**t was reckless.

lions are fun to watch, they're the new 49ers and have a chance to win it. I still think Philly is better in the NFC.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by HONEYBADGER:
Anyone watch the Detroit v Greenway game tonight? That call by Campbell to go for it on 4th down in the final minute instead of kicking a field goal and giving the ball back to the Packers allowing them a chance to win the game..... That's the difference between Kyle and some of the top tier coaches in the league.

Kyle would have kicked the field goal and prayed his defense could hold....... He lost three Superbowls playing that way.

Disagree wholeheartedly. He would have punted. Too risky to go for that FG on 4th and inches. Punt it for a touchback and let the defense lose….I mean…win it for you.

There's the trolling….there was .40 secs left in the game and the Lions were at GB's 20 yard line. There was really no reason to go for it on 4th an inches…s**t was reckless. Kick what's essentially an extra point FG in a dome. GB had one TO left. They maybe get 3 plays to get into FG position tops, if your defense can't stop them in 3 plays you have no business winning football games.

Campbell did the same s**t vs SF in the playoffs and lost in part of him being reckless.

Majority of teams go for it in that situation to try and end it. You only oppose it because you know Shanahan would never go for it. That's trolling.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
That was deifinitely risky. He tried one earlier and failed that lead to an easy GB score. On the other hand he showed he has alot of faith in his O line.Not so much in his defense.

They're pretty banged up on defense and overall with the amount of draft capital and $ put in there…I would think they would be better vs good offenses.

It's cool to say your coach has big nuts and will constantly go for it on 4th down. There's plenty of times Dan got that s**t wrong and cost them the game. IMO there was really no reason to do it with 40 secs left in the RZ. s**t was reckless.

lions are fun to watch, they're the new 49ers and have a chance to win it. I still think Philly is better in the NFC.

I'm not a big fan of going for it too much. There are times when it's needed but a lot of coaches seem to be doing it because it's trendy. Dan Lanning at Oregon cost the Ducks 2 or 3 big games in 2023 and 2022 by going for it in his own territory.

we really need to get it right in the undrafted free agency and regular free agency for the sake of the next 5 years