49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Detroit runs an offense similar to what Kyle uses. So do several other teams around the country. If kyle has an issue it's adjusting but what they really need is better receivers. Deebo and Aiyuk are both good but not great. Jennings is a nice 3rd receiver and we havewn't seen enough of Pearsall to know.

Detroit has 2 things that the Niners don't have. They have a great line that allows Goff time to throw and they have speedy skillplayers in the backfield and at WR.

yeah folks that want Johnson don't realize he runs the same damn s**t lol.

DET has one good WR and he's not a true alpha XWR. He's best in the slot. I could see slick Rick being that type of WR in a couple yrs

they have a great run game that actually uses to running backs effectively. We gotta start doing that

their OL is what separates them from SF right now. We all know Goff under pressure is dead to rights, give him time and use a ton of play-action he can spin it and is accurate.

I saw Daniel Jeremiah talking about DET's GM and how great he's been at building that OL. I mean realistically he drafted one OT that was a no-brainer in the top 10. His center and LT were already there. They signed a 34 yr old traveling LG and brought back a RG that they drafted years ago. I wouldnt call that some special thing. Having three yrs of drafting in the top 12 helps too.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:
Watching other teams, it's incredible how they get receivers wide open all over the field, meanwhile Kyle makes it look like pulling teeth.

It's comical there are people who still insist this guy is some kind of offensive genius when his receivers literally rank 32nd in average separation. There are no mental gymnastics you can do to get around that fact.

Numerous former players and coaches who watch the film agree that he is not good with the passing game.

Take Mike Martz's protections and combine them with Matt Nagy's route combinations, and you get Kyle Shanahan.

"Expert"

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Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Detroit runs an offense similar to what Kyle uses. So do several other teams around the country. If kyle has an issue it's adjusting but what they really need is better receivers. Deebo and Aiyuk are both good but not great. Jennings is a nice 3rd receiver and we havewn't seen enough of Pearsall to know.

Detroit has 2 things that the Niners don't have. They have a great line that allows Goff time to throw and they have speedy skillplayers in the backfield and at WR.

yeah folks that want Johnson don't realize he runs the same damn s**t lol.

DET has one good WR and he's not a true alpha XWR. He's best in the slot. I could see slick Rick being that type of WR in a couple yrs

they have a great run game that actually uses to running backs effectively. We gotta start doing that

their OL is what separates them from SF right now. We all know Goff under pressure is dead to rights, give him time and use a ton of play-action he can spin it and is accurate.

I saw Daniel Jeremiah talking about DET's GM and how great he's been at building that OL. I mean realistically he drafted one OT that was a no-brainer in the top 10. His center and LT were already there. They signed a 34 yr old traveling LG and brought back a RG that they drafted years ago. I wouldnt call that some special thing. Having three yrs of drafting in the top 12 helps too.

This is what I've been saying when people start ranting about the poor drafts in recent years. It really makes a difference when you draft top 10 or top 15 every year. Most scouts feel that the quality starts dropping off after 15 . Maybe 20 in a good year. After that the remaining 1st rounders aren't much different than 2nd or even high 3rd rounders. Of course there are never any guarantees but it sure improves your chances of getting a quality starter.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Detroit runs an offense similar to what Kyle uses. So do several other teams around the country. If kyle has an issue it's adjusting but what they really need is better receivers. Deebo and Aiyuk are both good but not great. Jennings is a nice 3rd receiver and we havewn't seen enough of Pearsall to know.

Detroit has 2 things that the Niners don't have. They have a great line that allows Goff time to throw and they have speedy skillplayers in the backfield and at WR.

yeah folks that want Johnson don't realize he runs the same damn s**t lol.

DET has one good WR and he's not a true alpha XWR. He's best in the slot. I could see slick Rick being that type of WR in a couple yrs

they have a great run game that actually uses to running backs effectively. We gotta start doing that

their OL is what separates them from SF right now. We all know Goff under pressure is dead to rights, give him time and use a ton of play-action he can spin it and is accurate.

I saw Daniel Jeremiah talking about DET's GM and how great he's been at building that OL. I mean realistically he drafted one OT that was a no-brainer in the top 10. His center and LT were already there. They signed a 34 yr old traveling LG and brought back a RG that they drafted years ago. I wouldnt call that some special thing. Having three yrs of drafting in the top 12 helps too.

St. Brown is by far the more polished receiver but Willams gives them a deep threat. He's averaging 18 yards per reception this year and if he learns how to use that 4.25 speed he will be more dangerous. The running backs are both good.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
This is what I've been saying when people start ranting about the poor drafts in recent years. It really makes a difference when you draft top 10 or top 15 every year. Most scouts feel that the quality starts dropping off after 15 . Maybe 20 in a good year. After that the remaining 1st rounders aren't much different than 2nd or even high 3rd rounders. Of course there are never any guarantees but it sure improves your chances of getting a quality starter.

Oh without doubt, a lot of scouts/GMs will put a 1st rd grade on like 15-20 prospects most years.

I feel like overall SF had a damn good draft this last yr, we've asked a lot of these rookies to play meaningful snaps due to injuries.

I laugh when someone like DJ is like man Holmes is so smart for drafting Sewell. Bro was a blue chip prospect who fell to 7. I mean bravo. Same s**t with Hutch, they should be thanking Baalke and his fetish for long arms lol. Walker had no business going over him.

Greg Roman for head coach with his own hand picked OC play caller. Nobody gave him a fair shot! Just OC jobs. He was made for headcoaching. Not everyone is meant to be a play caller.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
This is what I've been saying when people start ranting about the poor drafts in recent years. It really makes a difference when you draft top 10 or top 15 every year. Most scouts feel that the quality starts dropping off after 15 . Maybe 20 in a good year. After that the remaining 1st rounders aren't much different than 2nd or even high 3rd rounders. Of course there are never any guarantees but it sure improves your chances of getting a quality starter.

Oh without doubt, a lot of scouts/GMs will put a 1st rd grade on like 15-20 prospects most years.

I feel like overall SF had a damn good draft this last yr, we've asked a lot of these rookies to play meaningful snaps due to injuries.

I laugh when someone like DJ is like man Holmes is so smart for drafting Sewell. Bro was a blue chip prospect who fell to 7. I mean bravo. Same s**t with Hutch, they should be thanking Baalke and his fetish for long arms lol. Walker had no business going over him.

He would have been crucified by the Detroit fans if he didn't draft Sewell.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
St. Brown is by far the more polished receiver but Willams gives them a deep threat. He's averaging 18 yards per reception this year and if he learns how to use that 4.25 speed he will be more dangerous. The running backs are both good.

He's more polish now 4 yrs into the league. Ricky is a damn good route runner for being a rookie. He's gotta get a little stronger, but that comes with more time in a NFL building. I think he could be a very reliable slot WR. I wanted Ladd over him. Is what it is.

Williams is a head case and imo wasn't worth a 1st rd pick. He's gonna want to get paid this off season. He's got meh hands.

Laporta and Tucker Kraft were too TEs I wanted SF to try and move up for. Bummer there in an amazing TE draft class. They f**ked that up big time.

I think CMC and either Mason or Issac can be a damn good combo. Kyle has to allow that to be a thing though.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
He would have been crucified by the Detroit fans if he didn't draft Sewell.

I mean A LOT of folks there wanted Chase. Couldn't go wrong either way.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Detroit runs an offense similar to what Kyle uses. So do several other teams around the country. If kyle has an issue it's adjusting but what they really need is better receivers. Deebo and Aiyuk are both good but not great. Jennings is a nice 3rd receiver and we havewn't seen enough of Pearsall to know.

Detroit has 2 things that the Niners don't have. They have a great line that allows Goff time to throw and they have speedy skillplayers in the backfield and at WR.

yeah folks that want Johnson don't realize he runs the same damn s**t lol.

DET has one good WR and he's not a true alpha XWR. He's best in the slot. I could see slick Rick being that type of WR in a couple yrs

they have a great run game that actually uses to running backs effectively. We gotta start doing that

their OL is what separates them from SF right now. We all know Goff under pressure is dead to rights, give him time and use a ton of play-action he can spin it and is accurate.

I saw Daniel Jeremiah talking about DET's GM and how great he's been at building that OL. I mean realistically he drafted one OT that was a no-brainer in the top 10. His center and LT were already there. They signed a 34 yr old traveling LG and brought back a RG that they drafted years ago. I wouldnt call that some special thing. Having three yrs of drafting in the top 12 helps too.

This is what I've been saying when people start ranting about the poor drafts in recent years. It really makes a difference when you draft top 10 or top 15 every year. Most scouts feel that the quality starts dropping off after 15 . Maybe 20 in a good year. After that the remaining 1st rounders aren't much different than 2nd or even high 3rd rounders. Of course there are never any guarantees but it sure improves your chances of getting a quality starter.

To be fair, Kyle/John have had their fair share of top 10-15 picks (after trades) since they've been here:
2017 - 3
2018 - 9
2019 - 2
2020 - 14
2021 - 3
2022 - N/A
2023 - N/A
2024 - 31

I think the frustration is that we started out with a lot of high picks and the hope was that it would have paid off these last few years.

With that being said, I don't think it's fair to compare this year's Lions team with the current 49ers team because our stretch of high picks occurred right before theirs. This year's Lions team reminds me a little of the 49ers last year. We'll see if they can finish.

Originally posted by FanInFlorida:
To be fair, Kyle/John have had their fair share of top 10-15 picks (after trades) since they've been here:
2017 - 3
2018 - 9
2019 - 2
2020 - 14
2021 - 3
2022 - N/A
2023 - N/A
2024 - 31

I think the frustration is that we started out with a lot of high picks and the hope was that it would have paid off these last few years.

With that being said, I don't think it's fair to compare this year's Lions team with the current 49ers team because our stretch of high picks occurred right before theirs. This year's Lions team reminds me a little of the 49ers last year. We'll see if they can finish.

trades is a little different, yes you get that pick but it's not setup for you to have high end picks in every round after that. Not having a 1st for multiple yrs (and every pick being bottom of the order every yr) killed the pipeline for development.

Like we always talk about they have been able to hit on later rd guys which has kept this team afloat.

Pleasantly surprised so far with this past draft.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by FanInFlorida:
To be fair, Kyle/John have had their fair share of top 10-15 picks (after trades) since they've been here:
2017 - 3
2018 - 9
2019 - 2
2020 - 14
2021 - 3
2022 - N/A
2023 - N/A
2024 - 31

I think the frustration is that we started out with a lot of high picks and the hope was that it would have paid off these last few years.

With that being said, I don't think it's fair to compare this year's Lions team with the current 49ers team because our stretch of high picks occurred right before theirs. This year's Lions team reminds me a little of the 49ers last year. We'll see if they can finish.

trades is a little different, yes you get that pick but it's not setup for you to have high end picks in every round after that. Not having a 1st for multiple yrs (and every pick being bottom of the order every yr) killed the pipeline for development.

Like we always talk about they have been able to hit on later rd guys which has kept this team afloat.

Pleasantly surprised so far with this past draft.

we need to go back to the: reach SB one year, then the next year we are a top 3 pick lol

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by FanInFlorida:
To be fair, Kyle/John have had their fair share of top 10-15 picks (after trades) since they've been here:
2017 - 3
2018 - 9
2019 - 2
2020 - 14
2021 - 3
2022 - N/A
2023 - N/A
2024 - 31

I think the frustration is that we started out with a lot of high picks and the hope was that it would have paid off these last few years.

With that being said, I don't think it's fair to compare this year's Lions team with the current 49ers team because our stretch of high picks occurred right before theirs. This year's Lions team reminds me a little of the 49ers last year. We'll see if they can finish.

trades is a little different, yes you get that pick but it's not setup for you to have high end picks in every round after that. Not having a 1st for multiple yrs (and every pick being bottom of the order every yr) killed the pipeline for development.

Like we always talk about they have been able to hit on later rd guys which has kept this team afloat.

Pleasantly surprised so far with this past draft.

Yeah, not having a high pick the last few years has hurt. 2017-2021 was the time for us to build the foundation for a Lombardi but it hasn't panned out yet. That's why last year stings. Might be our best shot for a while. Happy about our 2024 draft, hopefully 2025 will be good too.

h, whOriginally posted by Hysterikal:

"Expert"

Uh, what?

You do realize the 49ers literally rank 32nd in average receiver separation, right?

Why are you showing Brandon Aiyuk's separation from 2023 - which he did all on his own with no help from Shanahan, by the way - in a discussion about how bad Kyle is at getting receiver separation?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Detroit runs an offense similar to what Kyle uses. So do several other teams around the country. If kyle has an issue it's adjusting but what they really need is better receivers. Deebo and Aiyuk are both good but not great. Jennings is a nice 3rd receiver and we havewn't seen enough of Pearsall to know.

Detroit has 2 things that the Niners don't have. They have a great line that allows Goff time to throw and they have speedy skillplayers in the backfield and at WR.

yeah folks that want Johnson don't realize he runs the same damn s**t lol.

DET has one good WR and he's not a true alpha XWR. He's best in the slot. I could see slick Rick being that type of WR in a couple yrs

they have a great run game that actually uses to running backs effectively. We gotta start doing that

their OL is what separates them from SF right now. We all know Goff under pressure is dead to rights, give him time and use a ton of play-action he can spin it and is accurate.

I saw Daniel Jeremiah talking about DET's GM and how great he's been at building that OL. I mean realistically he drafted one OT that was a no-brainer in the top 10. His center and LT were already there. They signed a 34 yr old traveling LG and brought back a RG that they drafted years ago. I wouldnt call that some special thing. Having three yrs of drafting in the top 12 helps too.

This is the way. We need to build up the OL asap