49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by TD49ers:
Anything or enough are two different things. All sounds good.....do we have a good OL for the future......I say no. Not many resources in the past 5 years allocated to the OL If we still had an all decade center, a top 10 pick playing RT and a top 100 guard right now I dont think we are having this convo.

Pretending they haven't invest in OL since they've been here is simply a crap take. Period.

no, you'd be complaining about McG getting a big contract if he was still here because if a linemen isn't elite here, everyone cries about it. Banks was the 48th overall pick and last I checked he's still on the team. Trent is one of the highest paid LT in football. People hate Colton BUT he's actually been fine this yr overall.

Center is the real problem we can all agree there…

move along , nothing to see here… it's all good, everyone is fine… nothing to worry about…… as the Titanic AKA 49ers sink. The Kyle boys would have you believe a few minor changes is all that is needed to sail full steam ahead towards glory. While they advocate for rearranging the deck chairs and convincing each other of our greatness, objective fans who see the iceberg are screaming for a course shift. And rightly so. Kyle guys think Juice is great, our OL is fine, we just need a slightly better center, Deebo still has it, the run defense will be fine after a few players come back, our kicker is solid and on and on and on…..

When it comes to their HC, he is and always will be the only option. They use fear to justify their positions. The big bad 5 win Tomsula is out there lurking about just waiting for the opportunity to strike…. We must maintain, stay the course, 5 win Kyle is the answer… he has to be the answer! He is a genius after all. Everyone is running his offense… the greatest offensive mind in football.

Well, that might have been but it ain't true now. While others have adopted some of his elements and tweaked them successfully he still runs the same stale and ineffective scheme that is more predictable than an open book test. His game management is awful, especially with a lead, and always in the biggest games at the most critical time. His defense is garbage. There is no accountability for his coaching staff. Special teams anyone? Yup, nothing to see here… we are fine.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I shouldn't respond. I usually just block the nonsense. I also feel like that s**t should be pointed out and shown why it's a crap take….if not then this place becomes even more flooded with troll takes and posters refusal to have legit objective convos.

I come here to have to have good logical discussions on everything 49ers…if I wanted to deal with whinny takes fueled by emotion. I would just go to X

Not if you simply don't respond. I'm sure you know that this is pretty much what they want - attention. There are poor opinions based on poor reasonings....but some of this stuff here is either weapons-grade stupid or simply outright trolling. I personally can't be bothered with interacting with it, but I accept your point in at least trying to shut it down.

Ive never read a logical football post before and I've been reading webzone since 2000

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
ST coach still on staff

Defensive Coordinator still on staff.

OL coach unwilling to make changes.

Draft priorities past history that wont change and ignore needs and failures.

FA priorities history and signing that will continue to ignore needs. Make some tough decisions and ignore the failures.

OC play calling needs a fresh look or at least a passing cordinator with clout.

I get the feeling they are going to run it back and blame injuries.
They will ignore the fact this team team has a entitlement problem, doesn't have a compete mentality and has lost its edge. I said this in another thread, hold outs, absenteeism in the offseason and in camp is a cancer. The biggest thing is changing the mentality, that to a point they created. Are they willing to show up million dollar athletes and put them in their place? Lots of things need to happen.

Who the hell is he replacing the ST and DC with mid season? The DC is like 14 weeks into his job.

This just had a damn good draft. Da f**k you talking about?

I see a list of ridiculous complaints about a team that has been one of the best in the league the past 5 yrs.

Originally posted by RickyRoma:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I shouldn't respond. I usually just block the nonsense. I also feel like that s**t should be pointed out and shown why it's a crap take….if not then this place becomes even more flooded with troll takes and posters refusal to have legit objective convos.

I come here to have to have good logical discussions on everything 49ers…if I wanted to deal with whinny takes fueled by emotion. I would just go to X

Not if you simply don't respond. I'm sure you know that this is pretty much what they want - attention. There are poor opinions based on poor reasonings....but some of this stuff here is either weapons-grade stupid or simply outright trolling. I personally can't be bothered with interacting with it, but I accept your point in at least trying to shut it down.

Maybe some poor opinions but let's not ignore arrogance, know it all , stubbornly stupid.

Added....righteous.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
Anything or enough are two different things. All sounds good.....do we have a good OL for the future......I say no. Not many resources in the past 5 years allocated to the OL If we still had an all decade center, a top 10 pick playing RT and a top 100 guard right now I dont think we are having this convo.

Pretending they haven't invest in OL since they've been here is simply a crap take. Period.

no, you'd be complaining about McG getting a big contract if he was still here because if a linemen isn't elite here, everyone cries about it. Banks was the 48th overall pick and last I checked he's still on the team. Trent is one of the highest paid LT in football. People hate Colton BUT he's actually been fine this yr overall.

Center is the real problem we can all agree there…

Very optimistic about the OL moving forward.

Shany was asked in the offseason about his lack of resources on the OL, the one you claim is stocked, and stated we preferred to use our resources for players that touch the ball.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
Ya but Juice is useless. Again, is Shany willing to sit his once star FB and adjust his scheme and personnel?

Tell me you know nothing about the FB position, without saying you know nothing about the FB position

you can't even give me your idea of why Kyle's scheme and personnel should be…I mean you're clearly smarter than him, so tell me. What's the personnel, what's the plays, explain instead of b***hing about stuff you don't understand.

Step away from ledge. It will be ok.

Juice is clearly done and he has no value anymore.
How to move forward......not for me to decide. I am not going to sit down and figure out scheme that Shany should run. I have better thinks to do but clearly he is too stubborn to make a change or blind to the fact.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
ST coach still on staff

Defensive Coordinator still on staff.

OL coach unwilling to make changes.

Draft priorities past history that wont change and ignore needs and failures.

FA priorities history and signing that will continue to ignore needs. Make some tough decisions and ignore the failures.

OC play calling needs a fresh look or at least a passing cordinator with clout.

I get the feeling they are going to run it back and blame injuries.
They will ignore the fact this team team has a entitlement problem, doesn't have a compete mentality and has lost its edge. I said this in another thread, hold outs, absenteeism in the offseason and in camp is a cancer. The biggest thing is changing the mentality, that to a point they created. Are they willing to show up million dollar athletes and put them in their place? Lots of things need to happen.

Who the hell is he replacing the ST and DC with mid season? The DC is like 14 weeks into his job.

This just had a damn good draft. Da f**k you talking about?

I see a list of ridiculous complaints about a team that has been one of the best in the league the past 5 yrs.

Why did we wait til W14. Ya.....coordinators never get replaced mid season!

Yah....one good draft in the last 5 years.

Ridiculous? It's amazing what motivation and focus will get you in sports. This team lacks both right now.

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
ST coach still on staff

Defensive Coordinator still on staff.

OL coach unwilling to make changes.

Draft priorities past history that wont change and ignore needs and failures.

FA priorities history and signing that will continue to ignore needs. Make some tough decisions and ignore the failures.

OC play calling needs a fresh look or at least a passing cordinator with clout.

I get the feeling they are going to run it back and blame injuries.
They will ignore the fact this team team has a entitlement problem, doesn't have a compete mentality and has lost its edge. I said this in another thread, hold outs, absenteeism in the offseason and in camp is a cancer. The biggest thing is changing the mentality, that to a point they created. Are they willing to show up million dollar athletes and put them in their place? Lots of things need to happen.

Who the hell is he replacing the ST and DC with mid season? The DC is like 14 weeks into his job.

This just had a damn good draft. Da f**k you talking about?

I see a list of ridiculous complaints about a team that has been one of the best in the league the past 5 yrs.

Why did we wait til W14. Ya.....coordinators never get replaced mid season!

Yah....one good draft in the last 5 years.

Ridiculous? It's amazing what motivation and focus will get you in sports. This team lacks both right now.

I know some fans expect a good draft every year but it doesn't work like that. Bill Walsh had 4 staright mediocre drafts tha netted about 5 decent players out of 39 picks. The hits were #1 Stubblefield #2 Watters #2 Dennis Brown #2 Eric Davis # 5 Merton Hanks

The misses were #1 Todd Kelly LB #1 Dana Hall DB #1 Dexter Carter who was okay byt was mostly a kick returner. #1 Ted Washington. He was an okay NT that ended up getting traded. He never was a great player with the Niners. All the other picks either didn't make the team or never became a valued player.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
ST coach still on staff

Defensive Coordinator still on staff.

OL coach unwilling to make changes.

Draft priorities past history that wont change and ignore needs and failures.

FA priorities history and signing that will continue to ignore needs. Make some tough decisions and ignore the failures.

OC play calling needs a fresh look or at least a passing cordinator with clout.

I get the feeling they are going to run it back and blame injuries.
They will ignore the fact this team team has a entitlement problem, doesn't have a compete mentality and has lost its edge. I said this in another thread, hold outs, absenteeism in the offseason and in camp is a cancer. The biggest thing is changing the mentality, that to a point they created. Are they willing to show up million dollar athletes and put them in their place? Lots of things need to happen.

Who the hell is he replacing the ST and DC with mid season? The DC is like 14 weeks into his job.

This just had a damn good draft. Da f**k you talking about?

I see a list of ridiculous complaints about a team that has been one of the best in the league the past 5 yrs.

Why did we wait til W14. Ya.....coordinators never get replaced mid season!

Yah....one good draft in the last 5 years.

Ridiculous? It's amazing what motivation and focus will get you in sports. This team lacks both right now.

I know some fans expect a good draft every year but it doesn't work like that. Bill Walsh had 4 staright mediocre drafts tha netted about 5 decent players out of 39 picks. The hits were #1 Stubblefield #2 Watters #2 Dennis Brown #2 Eric Davis # 5 Merton Hanks

The misses were #1 Todd Kelly LB #1 Dana Hall DB #1 Dexter Carter who was okay byt was mostly a kick returner. #1 Ted Washington. He was an okay NT that ended up getting traded. He never was a great player with the Niners. All the other picks either didn't make the team or never became a valued player.

I understand how the draft works. The success rate is not great but the last bunch have been very poor. This includes the complete whiff on Lance which is extra bad.

To be honest the 2024 is yet to be decide as a success.

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
ST coach still on staff

Defensive Coordinator still on staff.

OL coach unwilling to make changes.

Draft priorities past history that wont change and ignore needs and failures.

FA priorities history and signing that will continue to ignore needs. Make some tough decisions and ignore the failures.

OC play calling needs a fresh look or at least a passing cordinator with clout.

I get the feeling they are going to run it back and blame injuries.
They will ignore the fact this team team has a entitlement problem, doesn't have a compete mentality and has lost its edge. I said this in another thread, hold outs, absenteeism in the offseason and in camp is a cancer. The biggest thing is changing the mentality, that to a point they created. Are they willing to show up million dollar athletes and put them in their place? Lots of things need to happen.

Who the hell is he replacing the ST and DC with mid season? The DC is like 14 weeks into his job.

This just had a damn good draft. Da f**k you talking about?

I see a list of ridiculous complaints about a team that has been one of the best in the league the past 5 yrs.

Why did we wait til W14. Ya.....coordinators never get replaced mid season!

Yah....one good draft in the last 5 years.

Ridiculous? It's amazing what motivation and focus will get you in sports. This team lacks both right now.

I know some fans expect a good draft every year but it doesn't work like that. Bill Walsh had 4 staright mediocre drafts tha netted about 5 decent players out of 39 picks. The hits were #1 Stubblefield #2 Watters #2 Dennis Brown #2 Eric Davis # 5 Merton Hanks

The misses were #1 Todd Kelly LB #1 Dana Hall DB #1 Dexter Carter who was okay byt was mostly a kick returner. #1 Ted Washington. He was an okay NT that ended up getting traded. He never was a great player with the Niners. All the other picks either didn't make the team or never became a valued player.

I understand how the draft works. The success rate is not great but the last bunch have been very poor. This includes the complete whiff on Lance which is extra bad.

To be honest the 2024 is yet to be decide as a success.

I just listed those Walsh picks to show that even the best coaches and GMs can miss a lot. When you pick late in the rounds like the Niners did back then andlike they have been doing recently it makes it that much harder. There are usually 15-20 blue chip players in every draft. After that the talent drops off and it's way harder to make the right pick. They've done way better in the mid to late rounds. The Lance miss happened in a year when al the QBs were over rated because of the crazy Covid schedule. Noe of the top 5 has been great. Even Lawrence who was called special is just average.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
ST coach still on staff

Defensive Coordinator still on staff.

OL coach unwilling to make changes.

Draft priorities past history that wont change and ignore needs and failures.

FA priorities history and signing that will continue to ignore needs. Make some tough decisions and ignore the failures.

OC play calling needs a fresh look or at least a passing cordinator with clout.

I get the feeling they are going to run it back and blame injuries.
They will ignore the fact this team team has a entitlement problem, doesn't have a compete mentality and has lost its edge. I said this in another thread, hold outs, absenteeism in the offseason and in camp is a cancer. The biggest thing is changing the mentality, that to a point they created. Are they willing to show up million dollar athletes and put them in their place? Lots of things need to happen.

Who the hell is he replacing the ST and DC with mid season? The DC is like 14 weeks into his job.

This just had a damn good draft. Da f**k you talking about?

I see a list of ridiculous complaints about a team that has been one of the best in the league the past 5 yrs.

Why did we wait til W14. Ya.....coordinators never get replaced mid season!

Yah....one good draft in the last 5 years.

Ridiculous? It's amazing what motivation and focus will get you in sports. This team lacks both right now.

I know some fans expect a good draft every year but it doesn't work like that. Bill Walsh had 4 staright mediocre drafts tha netted about 5 decent players out of 39 picks. The hits were #1 Stubblefield #2 Watters #2 Dennis Brown #2 Eric Davis # 5 Merton Hanks

The misses were #1 Todd Kelly LB #1 Dana Hall DB #1 Dexter Carter who was okay byt was mostly a kick returner. #1 Ted Washington. He was an okay NT that ended up getting traded. He never was a great player with the Niners. All the other picks either didn't make the team or never became a valued player.

I understand how the draft works. The success rate is not great but the last bunch have been very poor. This includes the complete whiff on Lance which is extra bad.

To be honest the 2024 is yet to be decide as a success.

I just listed those Walsh picks to show that even the best coaches and GMs can miss a lot. When you pick late in the rounds like the Niners did back then andlike they have been doing recently it makes it that much harder. There are usually 15-20 blue chip players in every draft. After that the talent drops off and it's way harder to make the right pick. They've done way better in the mid to late rounds. The Lance miss happened in a year when al the QBs were over rated because of the crazy Covid schedule. Noe of the top 5 has been great. Even Lawrence who was called special is just average.

Ya.......that was suppose to an epic QB draft. The exact opposite happened.

Florio trying to fuel the fire as usual. That guy is another dope.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I shouldn't respond. I usually just block the nonsense. I also feel like that s**t should be pointed out and shown why it's a crap take….if not then this place becomes even more flooded with troll takes and posters refusal to have legit objective convos.

I come here to have to have good logical discussions on everything 49ers…if I wanted to deal with whinny takes fueled by emotion. I would just go to X

From the poster who gave us:

"Solomon Thomas is the safest pick in this draft"

"We should see what we have in Lance; you can't teach measurables"

"Brock will eventually regress to Nick Foles / Gardner Minshew"

"Trading for CMC is a dumb move"

Plenty of crap takes.

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I shouldn't respond. I usually just block the nonsense. I also feel like that s**t should be pointed out and shown why it's a crap take….if not then this place becomes even more flooded with troll takes and posters refusal to have legit objective convos.

I come here to have to have good logical discussions on everything 49ers…if I wanted to deal with whinny takes fueled by emotion. I would just go to X

From the poster who gave us:

"Solomon Thomas is the safest pick in this draft"

"We should see what we have in Lance; you can't teach measurables"

"Brock will eventually regress to Nick Foles / Gardner Minshew"

"Trading for CMC is a dumb move"

Plenty of crap takes.

The difference is, those are opinions, and we've all had "crap takes" like that. What you do is state your opinion on Kyle, and then state it 1000 more times everyday 24/7, in a trolling way as well.