49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Is the majority of our salary cap sitting on the injury report?

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Originally posted by 5thSFG:
Is the majority of our salary cap sitting on the injury report?

yes. 5 out of our top 9 cap hits this year are currently out. 6 if you would have counted Ward last week.

Originally posted by sick9erfan:

Originally posted by sick9erfan:
I was thinking what would be the ultimate bad draft for Kyle and Co.
Rd1 White reciever 90% had never heard of.
Rd2 Physically gifted DE who just never produced up to his potential.
Rd3 Punter
Rd4 safety sized ILB
rd5 FS who struggles in coverage
Rd6 DT with bad knees
Rd7 150th best CB in SEC

Free agency 7 undersized "scrapy" olinemen

Crazy part is we've drafted every single one of those players haha

WTF are you even talking about. You can literally apply that to any team.

And what is your clown remark about Pearsall? I'm pretty sure 100% of the people who folllow the draft knew who he was. Maybe 90% fort night players maybe didnt know who he was.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by joeknows:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
For example, that total idiot Dan Campbell goes for it on 4th down All the Time. What a Loser! But, that lucky b*****d is the only one in the league with 12 wins. He's the only one with 1 loss. He's the only one with over 400 points. He's tied for lowest points against at 234. He's sitting on the number one seed in the NFC. I can understand winning once in a while if you're a gambler, but how in the H can you stay on top in all catagories three quarters of the way through the season. That lucky SOB defies logic. Must be one crap devision that boy's in.

Just want to check - are we talking about the same guy that gambled away his team's entire season last year and handed us a Superbowl berth?

???????????????? well done

lol right? Dude had zero reason to go for it on 4th down on TNF. 40 secs left on GB's 20 and GB only had 1 TO left.

There's a difference between confidence and reckless hubris. Cost them a trip to the SB last yr.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
This.

I've been critical of Kyle for lack of aggressiveness. Imo, he plays not to lose, which means he doesn't take his chances on offense, which means he doesn't put teams away, which means we're hanging on by our fingernails at the end of the game, which often means we're complaining about a ref call, or a player's dunce play, which we wouldn't care about if we'd taken our chances on offense when We control the play and racked up the score.

For example, that total idiot Dan Campbell goes for it on 4th down All the Time. What a Loser! But, that lucky b*****d is the only one in the league with 12 wins. He's the only one with 1 loss. He's the only one with over 400 points. He's tied for lowest points against at 234. He's sitting on the number one seed in the NFC. I can understand winning once in a while if you're a gambler, but how in the H can you stay on top in all catagories three quarters of the way through the season. That lucky SOB defies logic. Must be one crap devision that boy's in.

I don't know. Maybe there's something to the idea that if you don't go for it on 4th down, you Won't score a touchdown on that drive, but if you don't make it, the other team only Might score a touchdown on their posession. Maybe more importantly, going for it shows you trust your guys, and causes them to play more aggressively. It keeps their spirits up. We've had defensive coaches that preached "just don't you screw it up, and My defense will win it in the 4th". Loser. No you won't. Defensive guys don't take their chances on offense. Occationally you run into one that will, like a Belichick or a Campbell, and they sure seem to do pretty darn well. Belichick didn't start off that way. Saban tought him that. That's when you should take your chances, when You get to choose the play, and know what it is. Don't play for a close 4th quarter win. Put them Away. Too much can go wrong in close games. Some offensive coaches are timid and tend to play not to lose. I'm looking at You Kyle. Maybe it takes Lynch talking to Jed and suggesting he go public that this team performance is not acceptable, and get tongues wagging about this job is not tenured. You don't have to do it Jed, with your permission, he'll take care of it, and you can stay out of the fire.

Dang. I liked the play calls tonight Kyle. Not just on 4th down, but pushing the ball down the field when you get the look you like. Yes Sir Kyle, you were Great tonight. This was Fun. Keep it up, young man. I think you might have a future in this business.

None of these posts critical of my post recognize the basic point. The point is, aggressive play calling improves your chances of winning. Yes, it does expose you to criticism. If it fails, it's out there for all to see. When it works, you don't see when you get beat with 40 seconds left because you have to fall back into a prevent defense, and give up half the yardage in a flash, and then they make a play or you make a PI, and you lose. Make a foot, and you keep your destiny in your own hands, and shut them out of that last chance drive that you think is in your favor but that so often surprises people in this league. But nobody sees that because you prevented it from happening. If you stay aggressive, your players play that way, you Will score more points if you don't always give up on a drive in 3 plays, and you end up 17 points ahead on that last drive, and you aren't complaining about a ref call or defensive player mistake. Detroit is leading the league in points scored and is tied for the lead on fewest points against. They are 12 and 1. What, they'd be 13 and 0 if they didn't? Get real.

Detroit keeps getting closer to a championship each year, while they are currently leading the league in so many catagories, while they are in a division with a rising GB and Viks. Here's the question. Is your head coach smart enough to recognize that, and does he have the character to stick his neck out on getting blamed when football happens, and not getting the credit when nobody sees that last losing drive on defense that doesn't happen.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
None of these posts critical of my post recognize the basic point. The point is, aggressive play calling improves your chances of winning. Yes, it does expose you to criticism. If it fails, it's out there for all to see. When it works, you don't see when you get beat with 40 seconds left because you have to fall back into a prevent defense, and give up half the yardage in a flash, and then they make a play or you make a PI, and you lose. Make a foot, and you keep your destiny in your own hands, and shut them out of that last chance drive that you think is in your favor but that so often surprises people in this league. But nobody sees that because you prevented it from happening. If you stay aggressive, your players play that way, you Will score more points if you don't always give up on a drive in 3 plays, and you end up 17 points ahead on that last drive, and you aren't complaining about a ref call or defensive player mistake. Detroit is leading the league in points scored and is tied for the lead on fewest points against. They are 12 and 1. What, they'd be 13 and 0 if they didn't? Get real.

Detroit keeps getting closer to a championship each year, while they are currently leading the league in so many catagories, while they are in a division with a rising GB and Viks. Here's the question. Is your head coach smart enough to recognize that, and does he have the character to stick his neck out on getting blamed when football happens, and not getting the credit when nobody sees that last losing drive on defense that doesn't happen.

Too much to read here.

All I said was it was a reckless call on TNF. It wasn't needed.

kicking the FG and stop GB on 3 plays is still creating your own destiny….just doing it on the defensive side. so I don't buy that take one bit. 40 secs left in the game.

folks called out Kyle for being aggressive when in ATL all the same. He put the ball in the MVP's hand to make some plays. You'd think fans would be good with that….didn't work so he's an idiot apparently. Dan did the same s**t last yr and lost a trip to the SB. Who gave him or Johnson grief over that? Not a single person. Half of you want Johnson for god sake.

its not like Kyle never goes for it on 4th down either. Did it last week. He's done it in the SB.

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by joeknows:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
For example, that total idiot Dan Campbell goes for it on 4th down All the Time. What a Loser! But, that lucky b*****d is the only one in the league with 12 wins. He's the only one with 1 loss. He's the only one with over 400 points. He's tied for lowest points against at 234. He's sitting on the number one seed in the NFC. I can understand winning once in a while if you're a gambler, but how in the H can you stay on top in all catagories three quarters of the way through the season. That lucky SOB defies logic. Must be one crap devision that boy's in.

Just want to check - are we talking about the same guy that gambled away his team's entire season last year and handed us a Superbowl berth?

???????????????? well done

lol right? Dude had zero reason to go for it on 4th down on TNF. 40 secs left on GB's 20 and GB only had 1 TO left.

There's a difference between confidence and reckless hubris. Cost them a trip to the SB last yr.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
This.

I've been critical of Kyle for lack of aggressiveness. Imo, he plays not to lose, which means he doesn't take his chances on offense, which means he doesn't put teams away, which means we're hanging on by our fingernails at the end of the game, which often means we're complaining about a ref call, or a player's dunce play, which we wouldn't care about if we'd taken our chances on offense when We control the play and racked up the score.

For example, that total idiot Dan Campbell goes for it on 4th down All the Time. What a Loser! But, that lucky b*****d is the only one in the league with 12 wins. He's the only one with 1 loss. He's the only one with over 400 points. He's tied for lowest points against at 234. He's sitting on the number one seed in the NFC. I can understand winning once in a while if you're a gambler, but how in the H can you stay on top in all catagories three quarters of the way through the season. That lucky SOB defies logic. Must be one crap devision that boy's in.

I don't know. Maybe there's something to the idea that if you don't go for it on 4th down, you Won't score a touchdown on that drive, but if you don't make it, the other team only Might score a touchdown on their posession. Maybe more importantly, going for it shows you trust your guys, and causes them to play more aggressively. It keeps their spirits up. We've had defensive coaches that preached "just don't you screw it up, and My defense will win it in the 4th". Loser. No you won't. Defensive guys don't take their chances on offense. Occationally you run into one that will, like a Belichick or a Campbell, and they sure seem to do pretty darn well. Belichick didn't start off that way. Saban tought him that. That's when you should take your chances, when You get to choose the play, and know what it is. Don't play for a close 4th quarter win. Put them Away. Too much can go wrong in close games. Some offensive coaches are timid and tend to play not to lose. I'm looking at You Kyle. Maybe it takes Lynch talking to Jed and suggesting he go public that this team performance is not acceptable, and get tongues wagging about this job is not tenured. You don't have to do it Jed, with your permission, he'll take care of it, and you can stay out of the fire.

Dang. I liked the play calls tonight Kyle. Not just on 4th down, but pushing the ball down the field when you get the look you like. Yes Sir Kyle, you were Great tonight. This was Fun. Keep it up, young man. I think you might have a future in this business.

None of these posts critical of my post recognize the basic point. The point is, aggressive play calling improves your chances of winning. Yes, it does expose you to criticism. If it fails, it's out there for all to see. When it works, you don't see when you get beat with 40 seconds left because you have to fall back into a prevent defense, and give up half the yardage in a flash, and then they make a play or you make a PI, and you lose. Make a foot, and you keep your destiny in your own hands, and shut them out of that last chance drive that you think is in your favor but that so often surprises people in this league. But nobody sees that because you prevented it from happening. If you stay aggressive, your players play that way, you Will score more points if you don't always give up on a drive in 3 plays, and you end up 17 points ahead on that last drive, and you aren't complaining about a ref call or defensive player mistake. Detroit is leading the league in points scored and is tied for the lead on fewest points against. They are 12 and 1. What, they'd be 13 and 0 if they didn't? Get real.

Detroit keeps getting closer to a championship each year, while they are currently leading the league in so many catagories, while they are in a division with a rising GB and Viks. Here's the question. Is your head coach smart enough to recognize that, and does he have the character to stick his neck out on getting blamed when football happens, and not getting the credit when nobody sees that last losing drive on defense that doesn't happen.

Fair enough, perhaps you can describe what you mean by playing aggressive? SF and Detroit both have 8.5 yards per pass attempt which I think relates to how deep the targets are generally, that's pretty aggressive. Kyle Shanahan has gotten arguably too aggressive in big games if you define it as passing a ton late in games when you have the lead. I like your point about attitude as the Detroit Lions seem to have that killer attitude the 49ers used to be known for. The first time we saw that attitude this season in SF was last week against the Bears, maybe they keep it up. Another factor that simply can't be ignored is the age of the 49ers and the injuries they've accumulated this season. Detroit has all its stars on the field (save for one), they have a younger, cheaper, roster. I think we may just be seeing the 49ers getting too old and too complacent. It's time to cycle in guys like Purdy and Lenore and cycle out guys like Deebo and Ward.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
None of these posts critical of my post recognize the basic point. The point is, aggressive play calling improves your chances of winning. Yes, it does expose you to criticism. If it fails, it's out there for all to see. When it works, you don't see when you get beat with 40 seconds left because you have to fall back into a prevent defense, and give up half the yardage in a flash, and then they make a play or you make a PI, and you lose. Make a foot, and you keep your destiny in your own hands, and shut them out of that last chance drive that you think is in your favor but that so often surprises people in this league. But nobody sees that because you prevented it from happening. If you stay aggressive, your players play that way, you Will score more points if you don't always give up on a drive in 3 plays, and you end up 17 points ahead on that last drive, and you aren't complaining about a ref call or defensive player mistake. Detroit is leading the league in points scored and is tied for the lead on fewest points against. They are 12 and 1. What, they'd be 13 and 0 if they didn't? Get real.

Detroit keeps getting closer to a championship each year, while they are currently leading the league in so many catagories, while they are in a division with a rising GB and Viks. Here's the question. Is your head coach smart enough to recognize that, and does he have the character to stick his neck out on getting blamed when football happens, and not getting the credit when nobody sees that last losing drive on defense that doesn't happen.

Too much to read here.

All I said was it was a reckless call on TNF. It wasn't needed.

kicking the FG and stop GB on 3 plays is still creating your own destiny….just doing it on the defensive side. so I don't buy that take one bit. 40 secs left in the game.

folks called out Kyle for being aggressive when in ATL all the same. He put the ball in the MVP's hand to make some plays. You'd think fans would be good with that….didn't work so he's an idiot apparently. Dan did the same s**t last yr and lost a trip to the SB. Who gave him or Johnson grief over that? Not a single person. Half of you want Johnson for god sake.

its not like Kyle never goes for it on 4th down either. Did it last week. He's done it in the SB.

people like to just make s**t up now it's ridiculous

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
None of these posts critical of my post recognize the basic point. The point is, aggressive play calling improves your chances of winning. Yes, it does expose you to criticism. If it fails, it's out there for all to see. When it works, you don't see when you get beat with 40 seconds left because you have to fall back into a prevent defense, and give up half the yardage in a flash, and then they make a play or you make a PI, and you lose. Make a foot, and you keep your destiny in your own hands, and shut them out of that last chance drive that you think is in your favor but that so often surprises people in this league. But nobody sees that because you prevented it from happening. If you stay aggressive, your players play that way, you Will score more points if you don't always give up on a drive in 3 plays, and you end up 17 points ahead on that last drive, and you aren't complaining about a ref call or defensive player mistake. Detroit is leading the league in points scored and is tied for the lead on fewest points against. They are 12 and 1. What, they'd be 13 and 0 if they didn't? Get real.

Detroit keeps getting closer to a championship each year, while they are currently leading the league in so many catagories, while they are in a division with a rising GB and Viks. Here's the question. Is your head coach smart enough to recognize that, and does he have the character to stick his neck out on getting blamed when football happens, and not getting the credit when nobody sees that last losing drive on defense that doesn't happen.

Too much to read here.

All I said was it was a reckless call on TNF. It wasn't needed.

kicking the FG and stop GB on 3 plays is still creating your own destiny….just doing it on the defensive side. so I don't buy that take one bit. 40 secs left in the game.

folks called out Kyle for being aggressive when in ATL all the same. He put the ball in the MVP's hand to make some plays. You'd think fans would be good with that….didn't work so he's an idiot apparently. Dan did the same s**t last yr and lost a trip to the SB. Who gave him or Johnson grief over that? Not a single person. Half of you want Johnson for god sake.

its not like Kyle never goes for it on 4th down either. Did it last week. He's done it in the SB.

I agree with you in Atlanta. That game was won, and the Pat's only chance was to get a sack, and he drops back to pass. That shows poor judgement on Kyle's point, and I've long said I don't think he's a good game manager. Kind of the job of a Head Coach.

Fourty seconds is not won. How many Super Bowls and other big games with us having significant leads has Kyle lost on a final drive putting the game in his defenses hands, thinking he's going to hold them? What are your odds of gaining one foot. Do you want to be on defense knowing you lose if you can't stop one foot? If that was a 50 50 play, I'd agree with you. It wasn't. It's back to my basic point. Winners are willing to take their chances on offense. Losers don't. It's not just the one play. It's an aggressive attitude that keeps your guys fired up, and the defense in constant jeopardy. And it's not just going for it on 4th down. Brock throws a nice long ball. Keep them backed off, and you'll keep moving the chains. Stay aggressive all the time and you will score more points, and never see that one play gamble.

The teams that win it all are the aggressive teams. The Marty Schottenheimer's and Kyle Shanahans of the world win a high percentage of their games, but then they get beat by someone more aggressive when there is no tomorrow.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
I agree with you in Atlanta. That game was won, and the Pat's only chance was to get a sack, and he drops back to pass. That shows poor judgement on Kyle's point, and I've long said I don't think he's a good game manager. Kind of the job of a Head Coach.

Fourty seconds is not won. How many Super Bowls and other big games with us having significant leads has Kyle lost on a final drive putting the game in his defenses hands, thinking he's going to hold them? What are your odds of gaining one foot. Do you want to be on defense knowing you lose if you can't stop one foot? If that was a 50 50 play, I'd agree with you. It wasn't. It's back to my basic point. Winners are willing to take their chances on offense. Losers don't. It's not just the one play. It's an aggressive attitude that keeps your guys fired up, and the defense in constant jeopardy. And it's not just going for it on 4th down. Brock throws a nice long ball. Keep them backed off, and you'll keep moving the chains. Stay aggressive all the time and you will score more points, and never see that one play gamble.

The teams that win it all are the aggressive teams. The Marty Schottenheimer's and Kyle Shanahans of the world win a high percentage of their games, but then they get beat by someone more aggressive when there is no tomorrow.

Kind of contradictory here huh? You blame Kyle when he was the OC for the Falcons in their Super Bowl loss but then go on to say clock management is the HC job. Kyle haters just refuse to blame Dan Quinn, the head coach, for the collapse in that Super Bowl. Sure lets blame the coach who had the #1 offense in the NFL but never mind the defense that was ranked #27 that year. That's freaking insane to me. The only reason the Falcons made it that far was because of that offense.

IMO Kyle was too aggressive in last years Super Bowl. I wanted to see more runs in the 2nd half but he passed too many times i thought. Again that was too aggressive for me. But for some reason the narrative is he's not aggressive enough. I don't get it
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Originally posted by BOI49er:
I agree with you in Atlanta. That game was won, and the Pat's only chance was to get a sack, and he drops back to pass. That shows poor judgement on Kyle's point, and I've long said I don't think he's a good game manager. Kind of the job of a Head Coach.

Fourty seconds is not won. How many Super Bowls and other big games with us having significant leads has Kyle lost on a final drive putting the game in his defenses hands, thinking he's going to hold them? What are your odds of gaining one foot. Do you want to be on defense knowing you lose if you can't stop one foot? If that was a 50 50 play, I'd agree with you. It wasn't. It's back to my basic point. Winners are willing to take their chances on offense. Losers don't. It's not just the one play. It's an aggressive attitude that keeps your guys fired up, and the defense in constant jeopardy. And it's not just going for it on 4th down. Brock throws a nice long ball. Keep them backed off, and you'll keep moving the chains. Stay aggressive all the time and you will score more points, and never see that one play gamble.

The teams that win it all are the aggressive teams. The Marty Schottenheimer's and Kyle Shanahans of the world win a high percentage of their games, but then they get beat by someone more aggressive when there is no tomorrow.

That ATL game was most certainly not won. Their D couldn't stop a nosebleed and they couldn't run the ball the second half. You'd expect the MVP of the league to throw the damn ball away when needed. They had a 1st down that would have ended it if not for a holding call all the same. Guess what teams get holding calls when running the ball as well. Ever watch a Niners game lol? Then what? You're forced to throw the ball and they know it.

acting like that game was over vs 40 secs in a football game is ridiculously hypocritical.

DET isn't gonna win it all this yr if they can't stop a team from scoring a FG in 40 secs. Plan and simple.

yeah the Staley teams won a ton lol. Dude was the most aggressive HC in football.

It's so obvious where the bias is here. That ONE play imo was reckless and not needed. Plain and simple. Ya'll want to lick Campbell's big balls and don't like to talk about how him doing the same s**t cost him a trip to the SB lol. You can't pick and choose.

we are seeing another red flag. deebo acting stupid for a full on month and no response from the coaching staff. they sing his praises to the media for being a clown. it started back when he was hitting teammates like a month ago.

Can we not bring up KS as the OC in the Super Bowl, fukin DrEll gonna show up with that ridiculous Youtube video.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
we are seeing another red flag. deebo acting stupid for a full on month and no response from the coaching staff. they sing his praises to the media for being a clown. it started back when he was hitting teammates like a month ago.

Maybe they know hes gone soon lol

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
we are seeing another red flag. deebo acting stupid for a full on month and no response from the coaching staff. they sing his praises to the media for being a clown. it started back when he was hitting teammates like a month ago.

Has it ever been known for the 49ers coaching and front office to air their laundry via social media or media? This organization is all about keeping things behind closed doors, they avoid Hard Knocks every chance they get.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
I agree with you in Atlanta. That game was won, and the Pat's only chance was to get a sack, and he drops back to pass. That shows poor judgement on Kyle's point, and I've long said I don't think he's a good game manager. Kind of the job of a Head Coach.

Fourty seconds is not won. How many Super Bowls and other big games with us having significant leads has Kyle lost on a final drive putting the game in his defenses hands, thinking he's going to hold them? What are your odds of gaining one foot. Do you want to be on defense knowing you lose if you can't stop one foot? If that was a 50 50 play, I'd agree with you. It wasn't. It's back to my basic point. Winners are willing to take their chances on offense. Losers don't. It's not just the one play. It's an aggressive attitude that keeps your guys fired up, and the defense in constant jeopardy. And it's not just going for it on 4th down. Brock throws a nice long ball. Keep them backed off, and you'll keep moving the chains. Stay aggressive all the time and you will score more points, and never see that one play gamble.

The teams that win it all are the aggressive teams. The Marty Schottenheimer's and Kyle Shanahans of the world win a high percentage of their games, but then they get beat by someone more aggressive when there is no tomorrow.

That ATL game was most certainly not won. Their D couldn't stop a nosebleed and they couldn't run the ball the second half. You'd expect the MVP of the league to throw the damn ball away when needed. They had a 1st down that would have ended it if not for a holding call all the same. Guess what teams get holding calls when running the ball as well. Ever watch a Niners game lol? Then what? You're forced to throw the ball and they know it.

acting like that game was over vs 40 secs in a football game is ridiculously hypocritical.

DET isn't gonna win it all this yr if they can't stop a team from scoring a FG in 40 secs. Plan and simple.

yeah the Staley teams won a ton lol. Dude was the most aggressive HC in football.

It's so obvious where the bias is here. That ONE play imo was reckless and not needed. Plain and simple. Ya'll want to lick Campbell's big balls and don't like to talk about how him doing the same s**t cost him a trip to the SB lol. You can't pick and choose.

I'm team NY on this specific instance… recklass call. But in the general scheme of things I was happy to see Kyle get aggressive in his playcalling and trying to score a TD instead of falling back on what I think is one of his more critical shortcomings… clock management. Or, said better, prioritizing clock management over scoring.

it was a refreshing change of pace. And the execution (changing the call after the timeout), made it fun to watch in real time.