49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:
So that means everyone else that runs his offense has been figured out? What do people think DET runs? GB? Texans? Cinci? Minn?

I'd love for people to explain what defenses are doing and how it's been figured out?

the scheme overall hasn't been figured out…it's the personnel that have either been out or are getting old and having poor execution.

go watch Jonny's all-22. It's riddle with poor execution (which is a multi-layered issue). There's a lot of problems right now and it's not just the HC. That's for damn sure

The scheme has been figured out.....the plan is to wait till they are missing several starters in a lost season.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:
To be fair, a lot of people think Kyle's offense has been figured out, to an extent.

So that means everyone else that runs his offense has been figured out? What do people think DET runs? GB? Texans? Cinci? Minn?

I'd love for people to explain what defenses are doing and how it's been figured out?

the scheme overall hasn't been figured out…it's the personnel that have either been out or are getting old and having poor execution.

go watch Jonny's all-22. It's riddle with poor execution (which is a multi-layered issue). There's a lot of problems right now and it's not just the HC. That's for damn sure

Taking away Deebo, taking away the middle of the field, stopping what used to be good RedZone, the RB sweep that used to be killer is netting is nothing, I mean even the Williams guy who picked off Brock knew the play was coming just not when.

Now can you tell me where Kyle has gone above and beyond this year? What areas have we been good at?

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Do you even know what the word tangible means? Brock has never had that and it's okay.

So we can't have context when it comes to wins and loses according to you? you think Kyle got "figured out" in one off season? Never mind the injuries, personal tragedies and the continuous long seasons piling up. None of that plays a part?

To be fair, a lot of people think Kyle's offense has been figured out, to an extent.

a lot of people don't pay attention to details and just use box score analysis as their argument

Alot of people don't even watch football. Some have never heard of it. Posting random thoughts is fun

and you call that fair? not sure where you are going with this

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:
To be fair, a lot of people think Kyle's offense has been figured out, to an extent.

So that means everyone else that runs his offense has been figured out? What do people think DET runs? GB? Texans? Cinci? Minn?

I'd love for people to explain what defenses are doing and how it's been figured out?

the scheme overall hasn't been figured out…it's the personnel that have either been out or are getting old and having poor execution.

go watch Jonny's all-22. It's riddle with poor execution (which is a multi-layered issue). There's a lot of problems right now and it's not just the HC. That's for damn sure

Taking away Deebo, taking away the middle of the field, stopping what used to be good RedZone, the RB sweep that used to be killer is netting is nothing, I mean even the Williams guy who picked off Brock knew the play was coming just not when.

Now can you tell me where Kyle has gone above and beyond this year? What areas have we been good at?

you obviously don't watch film.. but why bring the truth to another BS rant right?

Deebo dropped a TD.. he took himself away (execution)
Middle is still open (execution)
We're back to jimmy with the running game, sell out to stop it. (execution)
Williams knowing is a brock tendency, on that same play Brock had 3 guys open in front of him. (execution)

Is poor execution not a direct reflection of coaching? I'm a boss at my work and if my team is underperforming and not executing that is a direct reflection of me doing a bad job. If the team is not executing is that not literally the coaches job to fix? I mean... Duh. Who else is supposed to fix poor execution? Nobody?

Yes this team is executing terribly.
Yes this team is lacking basic fundamentals.
These things are coached... They just don't fix themselves...

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:
To be fair, a lot of people think Kyle's offense has been figured out, to an extent.

So that means everyone else that runs his offense has been figured out? What do people think DET runs? GB? Texans? Cinci? Minn?

I'd love for people to explain what defenses are doing and how it's been figured out?

the scheme overall hasn't been figured out…it's the personnel that have either been out or are getting old and having poor execution.

go watch Jonny's all-22. It's riddle with poor execution (which is a multi-layered issue). There's a lot of problems right now and it's not just the HC. That's for damn sure

unless someone is arguing that it's only the HC I'm not sure if we're in disagreement

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Do you even know what the word tangible means? Brock has never had that and it's okay.

So we can't have context when it comes to wins and loses according to you? you think Kyle got "figured out" in one off season? Never mind the injuries, personal tragedies and the continuous long seasons piling up. None of that plays a part?

To be fair, a lot of people think Kyle's offense has been figured out, to an extent.

a lot of people don't pay attention to details and just use box score analysis as their argument

Alot of people don't even watch football. Some have never heard of it. Posting random thoughts is fun

and you call that fair? not sure where you are going with this

Where I was going was that I don't think it's outlandish to think Kyle s**t the bed this year, to some extent. To disagree with that is one thing, to completely disregard the idea and try to fight it down is another.

Is our s**tty season all on Kyle? For sure the answer is no

Have defensive coordinators figured out Kyle's offensive tendencies. It doesn't seem unreasonable to think so.

I personally don't have an opinion on the topic… would take a lot more analysis than I'm willing to do. I'm simply pointing out that shooting down a completely reasonable idea just because you're pro Kyle isn't the hill you want to die on. The red herring "a lot of people don't watch football" argument doesn't further your point…. So I doubled down with my own dumb comment.

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Do you even know what the word tangible means? Brock has never had that and it's okay.

So we can't have context when it comes to wins and loses according to you? you think Kyle got "figured out" in one off season? Never mind the injuries, personal tragedies and the continuous long seasons piling up. None of that plays a part?

To be fair, a lot of people think Kyle's offense has been figured out, to an extent.

a lot of people don't pay attention to details and just use box score analysis as their argument

Alot of people don't even watch football. Some have never heard of it. Posting random thoughts is fun

and you call that fair? not sure where you are going with this

Where I was going was that I don't think it's outlandish to think Kyle s**t the bed this year, to some extent. To disagree with that is one thing, to completely disregard the idea and try to fight it down is another.

Is our s**tty season all on Kyle? For sure the answer is no

Have defensive coordinators figured out Kyle's offensive tendencies. It doesn't seem unreasonable to think so.

I personally don't have an opinion on the topic… would take a lot more analysis than I'm willing to do. I'm simply pointing out that shooting down a completely reasonable idea just because you're pro Kyle isn't the hill you want to die on. The red herring "a lot of people don't watch football" argument doesn't further your point…. So I doubled down with my own dumb comment.

who said i'm pro Kyle or pro anything really.. what i'm pro of is looking at the details and not saying BS.

I didn't say people don't watch football.. i said people don't watch the details.

How can defenses (so you say) figure out Kyle's tendencies, if Kyle is still scheming players open? Wouldn't that be a player's tendency that was figured out?

Until the details show me otherwise, i'm not gonna say some BS like others do. I'm a 9ers fan with or without Kyle

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Do you even know what the word tangible means? Brock has never had that and it's okay.

So we can't have context when it comes to wins and loses according to you? you think Kyle got "figured out" in one off season? Never mind the injuries, personal tragedies and the continuous long seasons piling up. None of that plays a part?

To be fair, a lot of people think Kyle's offense has been figured out, to an extent.

a lot of people don't pay attention to details and just use box score analysis as their argument

Alot of people don't even watch football. Some have never heard of it. Posting random thoughts is fun

and you call that fair? not sure where you are going with this

Where I was going was that I don't think it's outlandish to think Kyle s**t the bed this year, to some extent. To disagree with that is one thing, to completely disregard the idea and try to fight it down is another.

Is our s**tty season all on Kyle? For sure the answer is no

Have defensive coordinators figured out Kyle's offensive tendencies. It doesn't seem unreasonable to think so.

I personally don't have an opinion on the topic… would take a lot more analysis than I'm willing to do. I'm simply pointing out that shooting down a completely reasonable idea just because you're pro Kyle isn't the hill you want to die on. The red herring "a lot of people don't watch football" argument doesn't further your point…. So I doubled down with my own dumb comment.

who said i'm pro Kyle or pro anything really.. what i'm pro of is looking at the details and not saying BS.

I didn't say people don't watch football.. i said people don't watch the details.

How can defenses (so you say) figure out Kyle's tendencies, if Kyle is still scheming players open? Wouldn't that be a player's tendency that was figured out?

Until the details show me otherwise, i'm not gonna say some BS like others do. I'm a 9ers fan with or without Kyle

Understood. But so far as I can tell you responded to someone else's post… burden to prove them incorrect is on you. Otherwise, their opinion is just as valid as yours.

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Do you even know what the word tangible means? Brock has never had that and it's okay.

So we can't have context when it comes to wins and loses according to you? you think Kyle got "figured out" in one off season? Never mind the injuries, personal tragedies and the continuous long seasons piling up. None of that plays a part?

To be fair, a lot of people think Kyle's offense has been figured out, to an extent.

a lot of people don't pay attention to details and just use box score analysis as their argument

Alot of people don't even watch football. Some have never heard of it. Posting random thoughts is fun

and you call that fair? not sure where you are going with this

Where I was going was that I don't think it's outlandish to think Kyle s**t the bed this year, to some extent. To disagree with that is one thing, to completely disregard the idea and try to fight it down is another.

Is our s**tty season all on Kyle? For sure the answer is no

Have defensive coordinators figured out Kyle's offensive tendencies. It doesn't seem unreasonable to think so.

I personally don't have an opinion on the topic… would take a lot more analysis than I'm willing to do. I'm simply pointing out that shooting down a completely reasonable idea just because you're pro Kyle isn't the hill you want to die on. The red herring "a lot of people don't watch football" argument doesn't further your point…. So I doubled down with my own dumb comment.

who said i'm pro Kyle or pro anything really.. what i'm pro of is looking at the details and not saying BS.

I didn't say people don't watch football.. i said people don't watch the details.

How can defenses (so you say) figure out Kyle's tendencies, if Kyle is still scheming players open? Wouldn't that be a player's tendency that was figured out?

Until the details show me otherwise, i'm not gonna say some BS like others do. I'm a 9ers fan with or without Kyle

Understood. But so far as I can tell you responded to someone else's post… burden to prove them incorrect is on you. Otherwise, their opinion is just as valid as yours.

actually it's not my burden. even though i have provided evidence prior to today. that's why i can call BS.

plus, The person who is making the claim should prove it.. that's the way it always been.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
actually it's not my burden. even though i have provided evidence prior to today. that's why i can call BS.

plus, The person who is making the claim should prove it.. that's the way it always been.

Well, moving on. It's hard for me to determine what the s**t is going on with our offense because it's always something new. Every week has been a completely different set of disasters. From missed blocking assignments, to RBs running through the wrong holes, to receiver drops, to purdy doing his best Jimmy impersonation. f**king strange year. If there was one piece of evidence that couldn't be blamed on anyone but the scheme it would be our YAC plummeting from first in the league to damn near 32nd. I can't think of a reason the defenders would be exactly at the catch point on every pass beyond them knowing our tendencies and placing themselves in the best position to limit our receivers YAC ability. The only other potential reason, which is more alarming than the Kyle theory, is that purdy regressed and isn't finding the appropriate YAC target.

edit: that also touches on your rhetorical question "is Kyle not scheming receivers open"

from that lens, we either have a purdy problem or a Kyle problem. I'd rather it be Kyle as I could justify him altering his playcalls to cover for injuries

Just take a look at what the offense has lost this season. They're starting the 4th string RB. Receiver number one is out for the season. The all-world LT has been out 4 games so far. If you're a boss at work and you lose nearly half your starters and they are replaced by guys that haven't been in the game for weeks and have never played up to the standards of those they are replacing, do you expect that your team will continue at the e same level as the first-string players? With practices being shortened by contract negotiations it's very hard to get the bench guys up to speed. Injuries killed this teams chances of grabbing the ring, FOR THIS SEASON. Be careful that we don't throw the baby out with the bath water. It certainly doesn't help that every year this coaching staff is raided by other teams. No need to panic. We have a strong, very good HC and GM in place. They built this team from the ground up and are more than capable of righting the ship.

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
actually it's not my burden. even though i have provided evidence prior to today. that's why i can call BS.

plus, The person who is making the claim should prove it.. that's the way it always been.

Well, moving on. It's hard for me to determine what the s**t is going on with our offense because it's always something new. Every week has been a completely different set of disasters. From missed blocking assignments, to RBs running through the wrong holes, to receiver drops, to purdy doing his best Jimmy impersonation. f**king strange year. If there was one piece of evidence that couldn't be blamed on anyone but the scheme it would be our YAC plummeting from first in the league to damn near 32nd. I can't think of a reason the defenders would be exactly at the catch point on every pass beyond them knowing our tendencies and placing themselves in the best position to limit our receivers YAC ability. The only other potential reason, which is more alarming than the Kyle theory, is that purdy regressed and isn't finding the appropriate YAC target.

edit: that also touches on your rhetorical question "is Kyle not scheming receivers open"

from that lens, we either have a purdy problem or a Kyle problem. I'd rather it be Kyle as I could justify him altering his playcalls to cover for injuries

I'm not going to sit here and blame kyle for not making PS players all pros.. maybe 1 or 2 guys can be a next man up type of deal like years past, but there can't be a next team up. The talent/execution level just isn't there, no team has starting caliber player as their 2nd/3rd stringers at every position. If you continue to get injured, it's tough to replace them.

Throw in all of the non-football issues of a player nearly shot to death, multiple Players and coach who had death in their immediate families, hold outs.. man you name it. it has been a crazy year.

it's going to take more than an off year of craziness for me to jump ship. s**t we have gone through this already and bounced back to the highest spot.. twice!

Edit: Kyle is still scheming guys open.. and it's the biggest detail of them all.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
actually it's not my burden. even though i have provided evidence prior to today. that's why i can call BS.

plus, The person who is making the claim should prove it.. that's the way it always been.

Well, moving on. It's hard for me to determine what the s**t is going on with our offense because it's always something new. Every week has been a completely different set of disasters. From missed blocking assignments, to RBs running through the wrong holes, to receiver drops, to purdy doing his best Jimmy impersonation. f**king strange year. If there was one piece of evidence that couldn't be blamed on anyone but the scheme it would be our YAC plummeting from first in the league to damn near 32nd. I can't think of a reason the defenders would be exactly at the catch point on every pass beyond them knowing our tendencies and placing themselves in the best position to limit our receivers YAC ability. The only other potential reason, which is more alarming than the Kyle theory, is that purdy regressed and isn't finding the appropriate YAC target.

edit: that also touches on your rhetorical question "is Kyle not scheming receivers open"

from that lens, we either have a purdy problem or a Kyle problem. I'd rather it be Kyle as I could justify him altering his playcalls to cover for injuries

I'm not going to sit here and blame kyle for not making PS players all pros.. maybe 1 or 2 guys can be a next man up type of deal like years past, but there can't be a next team up. The talent/execution level just isn't there, no team has starting caliber player as their 2nd/3rd stringers at every position. If you continue to get injured, it's tough to replace them.

Throw in all of the non-football issues of a player nearly shot to death, multiple Players and coach who had death in their immediate families, hold outs.. man you name it. it has been a crazy year.

it's going to take more than an off year of craziness for me to jump ship. s**t we have gone through this already and bounced back to the highest spot.. twice!

I agree with all of this I just don't see it as binary. It can also be a possible defensive adjustment we've seen across the board. All good. You understand my point. Go army

Originally posted by 5thSFG:
unless someone is arguing that it's only the HC I'm not sure if we're in disagreement

Handful of people are and have been for years.