49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by evil:
This sounds like every HC who is offensive minded and calls his owns plays. He also brought in a veteran coach in Staley to help Sorenson.

What makes multiple play callers a better option than simply making changes to the current coaching staff and getting some better assistants in place for next season.

We can't just throw s**t st the wall and hope something sticks. Kyle's system in place has gotten us to two SBs already and the film in both of those SB losses showed it wasn't because the coach had too much on his plate.

There's another point. He is responsible for the coaches that he brings in.

We've seen him lose flow with the game with his play calling and decision making. He is great when leading or close but he has a real bad record when trailing.

Taking away some play calling will allow him to focus on the overall game and give him a different perspective outside of his box.

The "film" merely shows plays. Like you said incorrectly it's 3 SB loses with stellar casts, pro bowlers, all pros in ATL and here.

Originally posted by Niner4ever:

Originally posted by evil:
This sounds like every HC who is offensive minded and calls his owns plays. He also brought in a veteran coach in Staley to help Sorenson.

What makes multiple play callers a better option than simply making changes to the current coaching staff and getting some better assistants in place for next season.

We can't just throw s**t st the wall and hope something sticks. Kyle's system in place has gotten us to two SBs already and the film in both of those SB losses showed it wasn't because the coach had too much on his plate.

There's another point. He is responsible for the coaches that he brings in.

We've seen him lose flow with the game with his play calling and decision making. He is great when leading or close but he has a real bad record when trailing.

Taking away some play calling will allow him to focus on the overall game and give him a different perspective outside of his box.

The "film" merely shows plays. Like you said incorrectly it's 3 SB loses with stellar casts, pro bowlers, all pros in ATL and here.

In a 5 year span, he has gone to 4 NFCCGs and 2 SBs while having to replace coaches on both sides of the ball year in and year out. He's done a pretty good job of it for the most part as evidenced by our continued success and that teams keep poaching our staff.

Film can show where players simply failed to execute properly which in turn is why can show why a play didn't succeed. Players need to execute the plays called to win games. That doesn't absolve Kyle of any blame, he isn't perfect by any stretch. But given his successes as HC here to date, he's earned the right to manage his staff as he sees fit and continue to be the sole playcaller, which is one of his strengths, if he so chooses.

Thursday night was a prime example of a loss where execution did hurt us once more. Deebo dropped a TD, Brock slightly underthrew another to Ricky and then had a costly turnover late in the 4th where had he checked it down we would have been in scoring position again.

5 years, 4 championship games, 2 Super Bowl berths

Kyle's groupies are like a broken record because they always say the same again again and again.

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
5 years, 4 championship games, 2 Super Bowl berths

Kyle's groupies are like a broken record because they always say the same again again and again.

In your view, that is unimpressive? If you want to keep posting here, kindly cease this sort of criticism of your fellow posters. Those who are pushing for Shanahan to be sacked can hardly be described any differently. So try to remember that we are almost all supporters of the same team. And others are entitled to their different opinions.

Originally posted by evil:
In a 5 year span, he has gone to 4 NFCCGs and 2 SBs while having to replace coaches on both sides of the ball year in and year out. He's done a pretty good job of it for the most part as evidenced by our continued success and that teams keep poaching our staff.

Film can show where players simply failed to execute properly which in turn is why can show why a play didn't succeed. Players need to execute the plays called to win games. That doesn't absolve Kyle of any blame, he isn't perfect by any stretch. But given his successes as HC here to date, he's earned the right to manage his staff as he sees fit and continue to be the sole playcaller, which is one of his strengths, if he so chooses.

Thursday night was a prime example of a loss where execution did hurt us once more. Deebo dropped a TD, Brock slightly underthrew another to Ricky and then had a costly turnover late in the 4th where had he checked it down we would have been in scoring position again.

The bolded is a reasonable statement on your part.

We agree he's been a good coach and has had success. That's not the debate. The issue is winning the final game and that's where the fault lies. Around here no one is satisfied just competing. There are winners and there are champions. He's a good coach but something needs to give for him to be a champion. He gets there but can't close. His dad, Belichick, Reid have given up those duties and have multiple championships. In the end that's the purpose of the exercise.

Just one final question and I'll move on: Do you think that there isn't another capable guy that can just focus on calling offensive plays using his system?

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
5 years, 4 championship games, 2 Super Bowl berths

Kyle's groupies are like a broken record because they always say the same again again and again.

it's difficult to construct a post more stupid than this one

Originally posted by Niner4ever:

Originally posted by evil:
In a 5 year span, he has gone to 4 NFCCGs and 2 SBs while having to replace coaches on both sides of the ball year in and year out. He's done a pretty good job of it for the most part as evidenced by our continued success and that teams keep poaching our staff.

Film can show where players simply failed to execute properly which in turn is why can show why a play didn't succeed. Players need to execute the plays called to win games. That doesn't absolve Kyle of any blame, he isn't perfect by any stretch. But given his successes as HC here to date, he's earned the right to manage his staff as he sees fit and continue to be the sole playcaller, which is one of his strengths, if he so chooses.

Thursday night was a prime example of a loss where execution did hurt us once more. Deebo dropped a TD, Brock slightly underthrew another to Ricky and then had a costly turnover late in the 4th where had he checked it down we would have been in scoring position again.

The bolded is a reasonable statement on your part.

We agree he's been a good coach and has had success. That's not the debate. The issue is winning the final game and that's where the fault lies. Around here no one is satisfied just competing. There are winners and there are champions. He's a good coach but something needs to give for him to be a champion. He gets there but can't close. His dad, Belichick, Reid have given up those duties and have multiple championships. In the end that's the purpose of the exercise.

Just one final question and I'll move on: Do you think that there isn't another capable guy that can just focus on calling offensive plays using his system?

Did the Niners lose the SB or did the Chiefs win it? It's a two sided argument. You can say Reid outcoached Kyle but you can also say the Chiefs just outplayed the 49ers in the 4th quarter. Lot's of stuff happens in a football game and it rarely comes down to one thing that causes the win or the loss. Even a game winning TD pass or FG in the final seconds needs to have a lot of things happen right before they can occur.

The Niners beat the Bengals on a TD pass to Taylor in the SB. Right before that the Bengals dropped an INT in the end zone. We like to remember Joes 92 yard drive to win the game but the Bengals fans feel they lost it when that INT was dropped.

That's football.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Niner4ever:

Originally posted by evil:
In a 5 year span, he has gone to 4 NFCCGs and 2 SBs while having to replace coaches on both sides of the ball year in and year out. He's done a pretty good job of it for the most part as evidenced by our continued success and that teams keep poaching our staff.

Film can show where players simply failed to execute properly which in turn is why can show why a play didn't succeed. Players need to execute the plays called to win games. That doesn't absolve Kyle of any blame, he isn't perfect by any stretch. But given his successes as HC here to date, he's earned the right to manage his staff as he sees fit and continue to be the sole playcaller, which is one of his strengths, if he so chooses.

Thursday night was a prime example of a loss where execution did hurt us once more. Deebo dropped a TD, Brock slightly underthrew another to Ricky and then had a costly turnover late in the 4th where had he checked it down we would have been in scoring position again.

The bolded is a reasonable statement on your part.

We agree he's been a good coach and has had success. That's not the debate. The issue is winning the final game and that's where the fault lies. Around here no one is satisfied just competing. There are winners and there are champions. He's a good coach but something needs to give for him to be a champion. He gets there but can't close. His dad, Belichick, Reid have given up those duties and have multiple championships. In the end that's the purpose of the exercise.

Just one final question and I'll move on: Do you think that there isn't another capable guy that can just focus on calling offensive plays using his system?

Did the Niners lose the SB or did the Chiefs win it? It's a two sided argument. You can say Reid outcoached Kyle but you can also say the Chiefs just outplayed the 49ers in the 4th quarter. Lot's of stuff happens in a football game and it rarely comes down to one thing that causes the win or the loss. Even a game winning TD pass or FG in the final seconds needs to have a lot of things happen right before they can occur.

The Niners beat the Bengals on a TD pass to Taylor in the SB. Right before that the Bengals dropped an INT in the end zone. We like to remember Joes 92 yard drive to win the game but the Bengals fans feel they lost it when that INT was dropped.

That's football.

Yeah, but if we're doing this more recently were the 90s Buffalo Bills unlucky.

Another big question about Shanahan is if he'll go get Saleh.

I think that the defense will pop again with a Head Coach type running it.

Hope ego doesn't interfere with this if possible.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Niner4ever:

Originally posted by evil:
In a 5 year span, he has gone to 4 NFCCGs and 2 SBs while having to replace coaches on both sides of the ball year in and year out. He's done a pretty good job of it for the most part as evidenced by our continued success and that teams keep poaching our staff.

Film can show where players simply failed to execute properly which in turn is why can show why a play didn't succeed. Players need to execute the plays called to win games. That doesn't absolve Kyle of any blame, he isn't perfect by any stretch. But given his successes as HC here to date, he's earned the right to manage his staff as he sees fit and continue to be the sole playcaller, which is one of his strengths, if he so chooses.

Thursday night was a prime example of a loss where execution did hurt us once more. Deebo dropped a TD, Brock slightly underthrew another to Ricky and then had a costly turnover late in the 4th where had he checked it down we would have been in scoring position again.

The bolded is a reasonable statement on your part.

We agree he's been a good coach and has had success. That's not the debate. The issue is winning the final game and that's where the fault lies. Around here no one is satisfied just competing. There are winners and there are champions. He's a good coach but something needs to give for him to be a champion. He gets there but can't close. His dad, Belichick, Reid have given up those duties and have multiple championships. In the end that's the purpose of the exercise.

Just one final question and I'll move on: Do you think that there isn't another capable guy that can just focus on calling offensive plays using his system?

Did the Niners lose the SB or did the Chiefs win it? It's a two sided argument. You can say Reid outcoached Kyle but you can also say the Chiefs just outplayed the 49ers in the 4th quarter. Lot's of stuff happens in a football game and it rarely comes down to one thing that causes the win or the loss. Even a game winning TD pass or FG in the final seconds needs to have a lot of things happen right before they can occur.

The Niners beat the Bengals on a TD pass to Taylor in the SB. Right before that the Bengals dropped an INT in the end zone. We like to remember Joes 92 yard drive to win the game but the Bengals fans feel they lost it when that INT was dropped.

That's football.

Kyle lost to teams coached by Reid (and Belichick if you want to consider Kyle the real HC of the 2016 Falcons and not Quinn). It's not like he's being outwitted by scrubs. He's literally lost two close SBs to an all-time HC, all-time QB, and in 2023 one of the best defenses of this decade so far. If Kyle was a little better it could have made the difference, but that's saying something completely different than saying he's terrible. It sucks they came up short, but it's also true they weren't exactly playing against mediocre opponents.

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
5 years, 4 championship games, 2 Super Bowl berths

Kyle's groupies are like a broken record because they always say the same again again and again.

it's difficult to construct a post more stupid than this one

lol

Originally posted by Niner4ever:

Originally posted by evil:
In a 5 year span, he has gone to 4 NFCCGs and 2 SBs while having to replace coaches on both sides of the ball year in and year out. He's done a pretty good job of it for the most part as evidenced by our continued success and that teams keep poaching our staff.

Film can show where players simply failed to execute properly which in turn is why can show why a play didn't succeed. Players need to execute the plays called to win games. That doesn't absolve Kyle of any blame, he isn't perfect by any stretch. But given his successes as HC here to date, he's earned the right to manage his staff as he sees fit and continue to be the sole playcaller, which is one of his strengths, if he so chooses.

Thursday night was a prime example of a loss where execution did hurt us once more. Deebo dropped a TD, Brock slightly underthrew another to Ricky and then had a costly turnover late in the 4th where had he checked it down we would have been in scoring position again.

The bolded is a reasonable statement on your part.

We agree he's been a good coach and has had success. That's not the debate. The issue is winning the final game and that's where the fault lies. Around here no one is satisfied just competing. There are winners and there are champions. He's a good coach but something needs to give for him to be a champion. He gets there but can't close. His dad, Belichick, Reid have given up those duties and have multiple championships. In the end that's the purpose of the exercise.

Just one final question and I'll move on: Do you think that there isn't another capable guy that can just focus on calling offensive plays using his system?

If we were able to make it to that game with Kyle calling plays, and be competitive in that game with Kyle calling plays, we can win with Kyle calling plays.

Again, the film showed that those losses did not fall solely or even mostly at Kyle's feet.

Your question doesn't exactly have a black or white answer. There may be, but you are looking for a guy who needs to not only be compatible with Kyle, but a guy who Kyle is going to feel confident in allowing him to take those reigns during games. Maybe that guy is on staff already, but if he isn't... does that guy want to come here, and is he going to be comfortable knowing Kyle can take those reigns back at any given moment in a game?

SB fatigue. Caught up to them in forms of injuries. Could never all played together extensively to be a tight team this year.

Originally posted by Niner4ever:
Another big question about Shanahan is if he'll go get Saleh.

I think that the defense will pop again with a Head Coach type running it.

Hope ego doesn't interfere with this if possible.

Is this the same ego that sat and talked with Belichick after Dan Quinn's Falcons lost the SB?

I think the "ego" thing is way way overblown by some fans.

Originally posted by Niner4ever:
Another big question about Shanahan is if he'll go get Saleh.

I think that the defense will pop again with a Head Coach type running it.

Hope ego doesn't interfere with this if possible.

Saleh was almost ran out of here early by the same whinny people early in the regime

he didn't get the Jets defense to being a dominant one and they had great players

saleh, sounds good but who knows