49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

The talk doesn't make sense. You don't get rid of something unless you can improve. So who would be better? Is the Bill's coach on the hot seat like KS? They've had Josh Allen and haven't been to the SB yet? Putting ALL of this year's failure on KS is nothing but misplaced frustration and ignorant fandom.

Originally posted by Niner4ever:
Another big question about Shanahan is if he'll go get Saleh.

I think that the defense will pop again with a Head Coach type running it.

Hope ego doesn't interfere with this if possible.

With or without Saleh I think the D-line has to be reworked in order for us to reach the standard.

KS Super Bowl #1 = Bosa/Armstead/Defo/D. Ford
KS Super Bowl #2 = Bosa/Armstead/Hargrave/C. Young

Looking at the D-line we have now, we need to re-work the interior and find a bookend opposite of Bosa. Not going to do that with a $60 million a year QB. We are kind of screwed if we don't draft well moving forward.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Niner4ever:

Originally posted by evil:
In a 5 year span, he has gone to 4 NFCCGs and 2 SBs while having to replace coaches on both sides of the ball year in and year out. He's done a pretty good job of it for the most part as evidenced by our continued success and that teams keep poaching our staff.

Film can show where players simply failed to execute properly which in turn is why can show why a play didn't succeed. Players need to execute the plays called to win games. That doesn't absolve Kyle of any blame, he isn't perfect by any stretch. But given his successes as HC here to date, he's earned the right to manage his staff as he sees fit and continue to be the sole playcaller, which is one of his strengths, if he so chooses.

Thursday night was a prime example of a loss where execution did hurt us once more. Deebo dropped a TD, Brock slightly underthrew another to Ricky and then had a costly turnover late in the 4th where had he checked it down we would have been in scoring position again.

The bolded is a reasonable statement on your part.

We agree he's been a good coach and has had success. That's not the debate. The issue is winning the final game and that's where the fault lies. Around here no one is satisfied just competing. There are winners and there are champions. He's a good coach but something needs to give for him to be a champion. He gets there but can't close. His dad, Belichick, Reid have given up those duties and have multiple championships. In the end that's the purpose of the exercise.

Just one final question and I'll move on: Do you think that there isn't another capable guy that can just focus on calling offensive plays using his system?

Did the Niners lose the SB or did the Chiefs win it? It's a two sided argument. You can say Reid outcoached Kyle but you can also say the Chiefs just outplayed the 49ers in the 4th quarter. Lot's of stuff happens in a football game and it rarely comes down to one thing that causes the win or the loss. Even a game winning TD pass or FG in the final seconds needs to have a lot of things happen right before they can occur.

The Niners beat the Bengals on a TD pass to Taylor in the SB. Right before that the Bengals dropped an INT in the end zone. We like to remember Joes 92 yard drive to win the game but the Bengals fans feel they lost it when that INT was dropped.

That's football.

Kyle lost to teams coached by Reid (and Belichick if you want to consider Kyle the real HC of the 2016 Falcons and not Quinn). It's not like he's being outwitted by scrubs. He's literally lost two close SBs to an all-time HC, all-time QB, and in 2023 one of the best defenses of this decade so far. If Kyle was a little better it could have made the difference, but that's saying something completely different than saying he's terrible. It sucks they came up short, but it's also true they weren't exactly playing against mediocre opponents.

Yes, though Belichick lost 3 times and Reid 2 with one of those a blowout. I remember Elway getting there and wasn't until Mike Shanahan's second stop that they were able to close it out.

The thought is not to move on from this Shanahan but what tweeks are needed so he can finally close.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Niner4ever:
Another big question about Shanahan is if he'll go get Saleh.

I think that the defense will pop again with a Head Coach type running it.

Hope ego doesn't interfere with this if possible.

Saleh was almost ran out of here early by the same whinny people early in the regime

he didn't get the Jets defense to being a dominant one and they had great players

saleh, sounds good but who knows

Some are way too impatient!

I think he got better and better.

NYJ are delusional. It seems they're never as good as advertised.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Niner4ever:
Another big question about Shanahan is if he'll go get Saleh.

I think that the defense will pop again with a Head Coach type running it.

Hope ego doesn't interfere with this if possible.

With or without Saleh I think the D-line has to be reworked in order for us to reach the standard.

KS Super Bowl #1 = Bosa/Armstead/Defo/D. Ford
KS Super Bowl #2 = Bosa/Armstead/Hargrave/C. Young

Looking at the D-line we have now, we need to re-work the interior and find a bookend opposite of Bosa. Not going to do that with a $60 million a year QB. We are kind of screwed if we don't draft well moving forward.

Agree, both lines can't be ignored anymore.

💯 about finding someone oppo Bosa.

Defense is formidable.

LBs: Warner, Greenlaw both healthy.

Secondary: Lenoir, Ward, Green looks like he can play, Hufanga, Mustapha.

I am once again begging for an OC for the "offensive (6 points at home) genius" Kyle Shannahan

Kyle needs an offensive co-ordinator.

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
I am once again begging for an OC for the "offensive (6 points at home) genius" Kyle Shannahan

Kyle needs an offensive co-ordinator.

adding more open receivers is not the issue

You are joking right, 6 points in a game?!?!

The wide receivers were never open other than Deebo's drop.

Purdy has a noodle arm with no velocity on his long ball.

Kyle's game plan on offense was an embarrassment.

We needed our big guns to show up and they mostly didn't besides Greenlaw

Bosa didn't Purdy didn't, Deebo certainly didn't.

Deebo decides to ruin the vibes after a big win, act smug and then drops a gimme that probably cost them a touchdown.

I think we're all tired of this act. I hope the team is too.

No points in the second half with little rain. Laughable.

The finger in pointed at Kyle.

Kyle needs help.

Kyle needs an offensive co-ordinator.

Originally posted by captveg:
Kyle lost to teams coached by Reid (and Belichick if you want to consider Kyle the real HC of the 2016 Falcons and not Quinn). It's not like he's being outwitted by scrubs. He's literally lost two close SBs to an all-time HC, all-time QB, and in 2023 one of the best defenses of this decade so far. If Kyle was a little better it could have made the difference, but that's saying something completely different than saying he's terrible. It sucks they came up short, but it's also true they weren't exactly playing against mediocre opponents.

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
You are joking right, 6 points in a game?!?!

The wide receivers were never open other than Deebo's drop.

Purdy has a noodle arm with no velocity on his long ball.

Kyle's game plan on offense was an embarrassment.

We needed our big guns to show up and they mostly didn't besides Greenlaw

Bosa didn't Purdy didn't, Deebo certainly didn't.

Deebo decides to ruin the vibes after a big win, act smug and then drops a gimme that probably cost them a touchdown.

I think we're all tired of this act. I hope the team is too.

No points in the second half with little rain. Laughable.

The finger in pointed at Kyle.

Kyle needs help.

Kyle needs an offensive co-ordinator.

let 's make a bet.. if there's open receivers/options.. if i can show you open receivers to throw to, you stop posting

The only bet I will make with you is you are an absolute apologist for the unthinkable.

If you are defending that at all - IN ANY WAY - you need your head read.

The point is the game plan was terrible, terrible.

6 points is an embarrassment to this once proud franchise.

The Defence should call the Offence out.

There is so much wrong with our once proud franchise that you can't list it all on one page.

Im so f**king tired of players on offense not knowing where they are supposed to be at the snap of the ball, this s**t happens dozens of times per game and consistently costs us points and kills drives, beneath all the other reasons for this season going tits up this is the issues that gets overshadowed by flashier reasons. And the weirdest part is this hasn't been a major issue until this year.

Also our O-line is complete dogs**t without Trent, Punis the only good one, we better draft some f**king O-lineman are this year

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
The only bet I will make with you is you are an absolute apologist for the unthinkable.

If you are defending that at all - IN ANY WAY - you need your head read.

The point is the game plan was terrible, terrible.

6 points is an embarrassment to this once proud franchise.

The Defence should call the Offence out.

There is so much wrong with our once proud franchise that you can't list it all on one page.

Im so f**king tired of players on offense not knowing where they are supposed to be at the snap of the ball, this s**t happens dozens of times per game and consistently costs us points and kills drives, beneath all the other reasons for this season going tits up this is the issues that gets overshadowed by flashier reasons. And the weirdest part is this hasn't been a major issue until this year.

Also our O-line is complete dogs**t without Trent, Punis the only good one, we better draft some f**king O-lineman are this year

i see you're scared to bet huh lol figures.. all talk

Originally posted by 91til:

Originally posted by captveg:
Kyle lost to teams coached by Reid (and Belichick if you want to consider Kyle the real HC of the 2016 Falcons and not Quinn). It's not like he's being outwitted by scrubs. He's literally lost two close SBs to an all-time HC, all-time QB, and in 2023 one of the best defenses of this decade so far. If Kyle was a little better it could have made the difference, but that's saying something completely different than saying he's terrible. It sucks they came up short, but it's also true they weren't exactly playing against mediocre opponents.

Homer take. Kyle is a middle of the pack hack. We need to dump and rebuild. This team is off the rails and needs new direction.

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
I am once again begging for an OC for the "offensive (6 points at home) genius" Kyle Shannahan

Kyle needs an offensive co-ordinator.

His pride will not allow it. It's better to get him a ticket out of town instead.

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
You are joking right, 6 points in a game?!?!

The wide receivers were never open other than Deebo's drop.

2 examples of why you are wrong :