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Originally posted by 9erson3:
He's too safe. No balls. No cut-throat when required to put the nail in coffin. I'm not sure he ever will be and I'm not sure if that type coach has what it takes to win it all against other top teams who are evolving. Kyle is stagnant. We will see how he and the Brock story go the next two years. That marriage is do or die for him and for that matter John.

In low on Kyle right now but in some regards he can't win. In Atlanta sb, he went ultra aggressive. Tried to bury the pats. He gets criticized for not being conservative. First chiefs sb, 10 point lead, comes out passing, criticized for not being conservative. Chiefs sb 2, not aggressive enough.

But I do agree sometimes he plays for FGs knowing we have a terrible kicker and that makes no sense
Originally posted by frenchmov:
Originally posted by 9erson3:
He's too safe. No balls. No cut-throat when required to put the nail in coffin. I'm not sure he ever will be and I'm not sure if that type coach has what it takes to win it all against other top teams who are evolving. Kyle is stagnant. We will see how he and the Brock story go the next two years. That marriage is do or die for him and for that matter John.

In low on Kyle right now but in some regards he can't win. In Atlanta sb, he went ultra aggressive. Tried to bury the pats. He gets criticized for not being conservative. First chiefs sb, 10 point lead, comes out passing, criticized for not being conservative. Chiefs sb 2, not aggressive enough.

But I do agree sometimes he plays for FGs knowing we have a terrible kicker and that makes no sense

And letting the clock tick down before end of quarter or half. It's always play not to lose.
Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
+ Show all quotes Rather expect greatness than openly support losing like you. Lol you make every excuse possible to celebrate and cherish losing. Every excuse...

But as I asked Dr. how about for once, just once tell me Kyle's positives this season. Thanks. Now run away like you always do. Always.

I think you've missed my point on my responses which were about the injury differences both teams have had. I have even pointed out twice in my post that I'm not here to defend Kyle but you keep to think that's what my responses were for lol... Anyways, a positive will be just look at what I've posted above that has nothing to do with defending Kyle. We're still a top 10 offense with all the injuries that we've had on that side of the ball and as I stated if you want to bring up something Kyle needs to improve on next season, it'll be the red zone production. That's where we sucked at hard this year, if we fix that next year then we'll most likely be back in to top 5 offenses again next year. Last year Aiyuk/Deebo/CMC combined for like 40+ tds, this year its like 2 tds combined. Like I said I'm not here to defend Kyle, my post above was just the illustrate the differences in the injuries both teams have had.

Sorry I got your point I was just making a secondary point. That we can sit and blame injuries all day but hardly anybody on this team played up to their potential. The issue is much bigger than injuries. It's clear as day to me. Against Chicago this team played how it should've all year but outside of Chicago the team has been pretty terrible. I know Chicago is garbage but we played mistake free disciplined football showing the team can play good football they just arent... It's not just injuries, it's all around bad football. Putting up 6 measly point against the Rams for example. Injuries or not they were bad. Scoring 20 points twice out of the last 7...

Will CMC help with that? Most definitely but what happens if CMC is gone? As I said this team still have a consistently had 6 probowlers yet are getting beat by lesser teams.

Ok good, I'm not going to respond to your secondary point because it doesn't have much to do with what I've brought up, but you can go back and forth on those issues for a while with someone else lol...

You put "Thanks. Now run away like you always do. Always." Not sure if that was meant for me or someone else, but if it was meant for me then im so kunfused lol
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I hate how finesse Kyle's offenses are. We're masquerading as a hard nosed, grind it out running team but everyone knows when it's 4th and a long 1 Kyle's going to punt.

If Harbaugh's team had 4th and 1 you knew Gore was going to get it. No tricks or clever plays needed. Everyone in the stadium knew where the ball was going and they couldn't stop it.

KC and Baltimore are like that too.
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Originally posted by All22:
I hate how finesse Kyle's offenses are. We're masquerading as a hard nosed, grind it out running team but everyone knows when it's 4th and a long 1 Kyle's going to punt.

If Harbaugh's team had 4th and 1 you knew Gore was going to get it. No tricks or clever plays needed. Everyone in the stadium knew where the ball was going and they couldn't stop it.

KC and Baltimore are like that too.

Kyle's offense is finesse only because of the players he's got. Everyone is a little undersized for their positions.
Originally posted by frenchmov:
Originally posted by 9erson3:
He's too safe. No balls. No cut-throat when required to put the nail in coffin. I'm not sure he ever will be and I'm not sure if that type coach has what it takes to win it all against other top teams who are evolving. Kyle is stagnant. We will see how he and the Brock story go the next two years. That marriage is do or die for him and for that matter John.

In low on Kyle right now but in some regards he can't win. In Atlanta sb, he went ultra aggressive. Tried to bury the pats. He gets criticized for not being conservative. First chiefs sb, 10 point lead, comes out passing, criticized for not being conservative. Chiefs sb 2, not aggressive enough.

But I do agree sometimes he plays for FGs knowing we have a terrible kicker and that makes no sense

Just a theory but I genuinely think Atlanta gave him the yips. I think he now overanalyzes the critical moments and instead of just doing the right common sense thing, he starts thinking he should do the opposite or unpredictable. He's too over analytical for his own good.
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Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
Originally posted by frenchmov:
Originally posted by 9erson3:
He's too safe. No balls. No cut-throat when required to put the nail in coffin. I'm not sure he ever will be and I'm not sure if that type coach has what it takes to win it all against other top teams who are evolving. Kyle is stagnant. We will see how he and the Brock story go the next two years. That marriage is do or die for him and for that matter John.

In low on Kyle right now but in some regards he can't win. In Atlanta sb, he went ultra aggressive. Tried to bury the pats. He gets criticized for not being conservative. First chiefs sb, 10 point lead, comes out passing, criticized for not being conservative. Chiefs sb 2, not aggressive enough.

But I do agree sometimes he plays for FGs knowing we have a terrible kicker and that makes no sense

Just a theory but I genuinely think Atlanta gave him the yips. I think he now overanalyzes the critical moments and instead of just doing the right common sense thing, he starts thinking he should do the opposite or unpredictable. He's too over analytical for his own good.

Also, the reason we can't go at the defense sometimes. Is we're a little overmatched at times, physically wise.
Originally posted by 9erson3:
Originally posted by pillageDatazz:
Kyle is a good HC, but only a fraction of his pappy, Mike (The Rat) Shanahan

He's too safe. No balls. No cut-throat when required to put the nail in coffin. I'm not sure he ever will be and I'm not sure if that type coach has what it takes to win it all against other top teams who are evolving. Kyle is stagnant. We will see how he and the Brock story go the next two years. That marriage is do or die for him and for that matter John.

This is true. He's not like his dad "Rat Teeth" Shanahan. He would chew his coordinators, players, officials when they screwed up.
He would have fired Sorensen and our STC weeks ago, he wouldn't put up with their lack of preparation.

At the end of the season Jed needs to step in like Eddie would and give him the owners take on what needs to be done:

New DC
New STC
New C FA or draft
New RT draft
New PK
[ Edited by mitpdub on Dec 29, 2024 at 9:03 AM ]
Kyle needs to go. He hasn't improved in any way as a coach in 6 years
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Other than Ben Johnson who you got to replace Kyle? Maybe McVay if he could be pried away from Rams? (Just playing the game I don't want Kyle Fired)
[ Edited by bud49 on Dec 29, 2024 at 9:03 AM ]
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Originally posted by Method:
Kyle needs to go. He hasn't improved in any way as a coach in 6 years

He keeps f**king up in big games.
Originally posted by bud49:
Other than Ben Johnson who you got to replace Kyle? Maybe McVay if he could be pried away from Rams? (Just playing the game I don't want Kyle Fired)

I'm fine with Kyle continuing, but he needs help. He can't expect to do this himself with yes men coordinators who are incompetent.
Also previously he had Mike M as his run coordinator and Slowik(?) as his pass coordinator.
Originally posted by All22:
I hate how finesse Kyle's offenses are. We're masquerading as a hard nosed, grind it out running team but everyone knows when it's 4th and a long 1 Kyle's going to punt.

If Harbaugh's team had 4th and 1 you knew Gore was going to get it. No tricks or clever plays needed. Everyone in the stadium knew where the ball was going and they couldn't stop it.

KC and Baltimore are like that too.

Yous misremember Harbaughs tenure then. He punted a lot on 4th and short. Hell i remember him keeping a field goal on board when there was a personal foul that wouldve gotten us 15 more yards on play. Ended up letting Dallas come back and win that game at end.

Harbaugh is not the guy to point to about being aggressive on offense. Chargers are below average on offense in most categories for a reason.
[ Edited by 9ers4eva on Dec 29, 2024 at 9:06 AM ]
  • mayo49
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Originally posted by bud49:
Other than Ben Johnson who you got to replace Kyle? Maybe McVay if he could be pried away from Rams? (Just playing the game I don't want Kyle Fired)

Get Dione, former Niner to add some swag to the team.
[ Edited by mayo49 on Dec 29, 2024 at 9:20 AM ]
Originally posted by Method:
Kyle needs to go. He hasn't improved in any way as a coach in 6 years

Do you think this miserable season had anything to do with major injuries to key players. Not just any player but the reigning OPOY. Their best WR. Their top O loneman. Three of the backup RBs. Several other players missing 2 or 3 games here and there. That's just on offense. Still they're 9th in total yards per game (less than one yard behind Buffalo) and 7th in passing yards per game.
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