49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by 9erson3:
He's too safe. No balls. No cut-throat when required to put the nail in coffin. I'm not sure he ever will be and I'm not sure if that type coach has what it takes to win it all against other top teams who are evolving. Kyle is stagnant. We will see how he and the Brock story go the next two years. That marriage is do or die for him and for that matter John.

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by 9erson3:
He's too safe. No balls. No cut-throat when required to put the nail in coffin. I'm not sure he ever will be and I'm not sure if that type coach has what it takes to win it all against other top teams who are evolving. Kyle is stagnant. We will see how he and the Brock story go the next two years. That marriage is do or die for him and for that matter John.

In low on Kyle right now but in some regards he can't win. In Atlanta sb, he went ultra aggressive. Tried to bury the pats. He gets criticized for not being conservative. First chiefs sb, 10 point lead, comes out passing, criticized for not being conservative. Chiefs sb 2, not aggressive enough.

But I do agree sometimes he plays for FGs knowing we have a terrible kicker and that makes no sense

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Originally posted by picklejuice:
kyle shanahan failed us...im really disappointed in this season

I hear you. I'm annoyed with Shanny as well. Does he not know how to prevent injuries? All the best coaches in the league keep their players healthy. If you tear an ACL that's on the HC. Any injury is because the HC failed to teach their players how not to get injured. Ricky also getting shot is all on Shanny. Has Reid ever had a player get shot? Don't think so.

Shanny is the only coach ever to deal with injuries. Brilliant post JJJ. Lions have been absolutely decimated by injuries and their fine. Right? Yeah.

Besides Aidan, think its mostly their backups and backup backups that are injured.

Not really...

Their defense isn't playing well though and isn't most of their injuries on the defensive side. Their offense really hasn't had the type of injures that our offense has had besides Montgomery going down recently, which is why they're still scoring.

Ok... I'm not trying to come off condescending here but enlighten me of me the areas that you think Kyle has excelled at this year? Are you telling me you think the last 6-7weeks have been well coached despite injuries? We've put up 20 points only twice since our bye week 7 weeks ago. That's all just injuries?!

I dont sense that from you, but I never said Kyle has excelled this year lol. I'm just pointing out that I feel our injuries have been more impactful compared to the Lions injuries. You brought up that they've had more injuries than us and they're doing fine. I pointed out that their defense isn't playing well and that's where most of their main injures are at, but they've been able to mask that because their offense is still rolling since they don't have the type of injuries on offense as we've had. I'm not defending Kyle if thats what you're thinking. I'm just here about the injuries. Off the top of my head Niners have had injuries on the offensive side of CMC, Aiyuk, Trent, Deebo, Purdy, JJ, Mason, Gurrendo, Kittle. These have either missed the whole season or games. I don't really know all Lions players so from the offense side I can only think of Montgomery and thats just recent. If you know any more impactful one let me know lol.

They have 16 defensive players on IR. Their Oline is banged up too to bottom. Yet they are still chugging along. I mean, obviously injuries play a role but to my point this team is not being coached well and that injuries is a garbage and extremely lazy excuse. Injuries or not this team, nearly every single player, is underperforming.

Campbell is a no-excuse guy. He's repeatedly said injuries are part of the deal and the job is for anyone on the field to be good enough and prepared enough to perform. It's what you'd want and expect him to say.

"I just feel like we didn't play at the same level as that team," Campbell said. "That's why I put this on me. I didn't have them ready."

https://sports.yahoo.com/lions-injuries-are-becoming-recurring-nightmare-in-otherwise-dream-season-020417086.html

Their Oline banged up but they still have Penei and Ragnow which are arguably the top at their positions so their oline is still a top 5 unit imo. Compared that to ours and its not even a comparison. So besides just being banged up who else on their offense is injured to where they've missed huge amount of time besides Montgomery which was just recently? No one comes up which is why their offense is still rolling. You point out that they're chugging along and I repeat what I said its because their offense hasn't really missed a beat so they've been able to outscore the opponent, since they don't have the type of injuries we have on offense compared to theirs. Now their defense has had most of their big injuries and thats why they're not playing well on that side. On that side of the ball they're not just rolling along. Which brings me back to my point, our injuries are not the same.

49ers are a top 10 Total Offense with all those injuries. https://www.foxsports.com/articles/nfl/2024-nfl-offense-rankings-team-pass-and-rush-stats
Lions are ranked 2nd.

Lions are ranked 18 in Total Defense with all those injuries. https://www.foxsports.com/articles/nfl/2024-nfl-defense-rankings-team-pass-and-rush-stats

Like I said I'm not defending Kyle, hes made some bad decisions this year, but you can't just say look at Detroit, they're chugging along since our injuries are totally different. If you want to point out where Kyle needs to improve on, I would say its red zone offense where we're ranked 25th.

We've had more significant injuries. By the buffalo game we already had the league's highest amount of games missed by Probowlers/All Pros

So are you agreeing/adding on here or debating here lol... not sure where you coming from with this.

Add/agree. Muck is a hater and will skip on context to talk s**t

Rather expect greatness than openly support losing like you. Lol you make every excuse possible to celebrate and cherish losing. Every excuse...

But as I asked Dr. how about for once, just once tell me Kyle's positives this season. Thanks. Now run away like you always do. Always.

I think you've missed my point on my responses which were about the injury differences both teams have had. I have even pointed out twice in my post that I'm not here to defend Kyle but you keep to think that's what my responses were for lol... Anyways, a positive will be just look at what I've posted above that has nothing to do with defending Kyle. We're still a top 10 offense with all the injuries that we've had on that side of the ball and as I stated if you want to bring up something Kyle needs to improve on next season, it'll be the red zone production. That's where we sucked at hard this year, if we fix that next year then we'll most likely be back in to top 5 offenses again next year. Last year Aiyuk/Deebo/CMC combined for like 40+ tds, this year its like 2 tds combined. Like I said I'm not here to defend Kyle, my post above was just the illustrate the differences in the injuries both teams have had.

Sorry I got your point I was just making a secondary point. That we can sit and blame injuries all day but hardly anybody on this team played up to their potential. The issue is much bigger than injuries. It's clear as day to me. Against Chicago this team played how it should've all year but outside of Chicago the team has been pretty terrible. I know Chicago is garbage but we played mistake free disciplined football showing the team can play good football they just arent... It's not just injuries, it's all around bad football. Putting up 6 measly point against the Rams for example. Injuries or not they were bad. Scoring 20 points twice out of the last 7...

Will CMC help with that? Most definitely but what happens if CMC is gone? As I said this team still have a consistently had 6 probowlers yet are getting beat by lesser teams.

Originally posted by All22:
I hate how finesse Kyle's offenses are. We're masquerading as a hard nosed, grind it out running team but everyone knows when it's 4th and a long 1 Kyle's going to punt.

If Harbaugh's team had 4th and 1 you knew Gore was going to get it. No tricks or clever plays needed. Everyone in the stadium knew where the ball was going and they couldn't stop it.

KC and Baltimore are like that too.

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by 9erson3:
He's too safe. No balls. No cut-throat when required to put the nail in coffin. I'm not sure he ever will be and I'm not sure if that type coach has what it takes to win it all against other top teams who are evolving. Kyle is stagnant. We will see how he and the Brock story go the next two years. That marriage is do or die for him and for that matter John.

In low on Kyle right now but in some regards he can't win. In Atlanta sb, he went ultra aggressive. Tried to bury the pats. He gets criticized for not being conservative. First chiefs sb, 10 point lead, comes out passing, criticized for not being conservative. Chiefs sb 2, not aggressive enough.

But I do agree sometimes he plays for FGs knowing we have a terrible kicker and that makes no sense

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by 9erson3:
He's too safe. No balls. No cut-throat when required to put the nail in coffin. I'm not sure he ever will be and I'm not sure if that type coach has what it takes to win it all against other top teams who are evolving. Kyle is stagnant. We will see how he and the Brock story go the next two years. That marriage is do or die for him and for that matter John.

In low on Kyle right now but in some regards he can't win. In Atlanta sb, he went ultra aggressive. Tried to bury the pats. He gets criticized for not being conservative. First chiefs sb, 10 point lead, comes out passing, criticized for not being conservative. Chiefs sb 2, not aggressive enough.

But I do agree sometimes he plays for FGs knowing we have a terrible kicker and that makes no sense

Just a theory but I genuinely think Atlanta gave him the yips. I think he now overanalyzes the critical moments and instead of just doing the right common sense thing, he starts thinking he should do the opposite or unpredictable. He's too over analytical for his own good.

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by pillageDatazz:
Kyle is a good HC, but only a fraction of his pappy, Mike (The Rat) Shanahan

He's too safe. No balls. No cut-throat when required to put the nail in coffin. I'm not sure he ever will be and I'm not sure if that type coach has what it takes to win it all against other top teams who are evolving. Kyle is stagnant. We will see how he and the Brock story go the next two years. That marriage is do or die for him and for that matter John.

Originally posted by Method:
Kyle needs to go. He hasn't improved in any way as a coach in 6 years

Originally posted by bud49:
Other than Ben Johnson who you got to replace Kyle? Maybe McVay if he could be pried away from Rams? (Just playing the game I don't want Kyle Fired)

Originally posted by All22:
I hate how finesse Kyle's offenses are. We're masquerading as a hard nosed, grind it out running team but everyone knows when it's 4th and a long 1 Kyle's going to punt.

If Harbaugh's team had 4th and 1 you knew Gore was going to get it. No tricks or clever plays needed. Everyone in the stadium knew where the ball was going and they couldn't stop it.

KC and Baltimore are like that too.

Originally posted by bud49:
Other than Ben Johnson who you got to replace Kyle? Maybe McVay if he could be pried away from Rams? (Just playing the game I don't want Kyle Fired)

Originally posted by Method:
Kyle needs to go. He hasn't improved in any way as a coach in 6 years