49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
Yes, I know nothing. Except what I see with my own eyes.

Did anybody realistically think we had a chance of beating the chiefs last year? Honestly deep down before the game did you guys actually think we could beat them?

The answer for me was an obvious no. I knew it would be close but we would lose even before the game because even with superior talent our coaches negate the difference with horrible play calling and personnel decisions.

Shanahan leaves stuff on the table, is the problem. You can't win 3-4 games in a row against good teams with him because even with a superior talent team he handicaps the team.

Case and point: not challenging the catch by brown against the eagles which was a drop the year prior then purdy getting hurt with the stupid play design later.

It's classic shanahan. He will never change.

Why didn't Mason just crush the chiefs in the second half in the Superbowl? The guy was averaging over 5 yards a carry. Why did he try to feed an injured CMC when you knew he was recovering from injury.

The fumble wasn't hindsight it was just smart. All that stuff above is entirely predictable and could have been done better by even an average coach.

Is he a good coach... Yes... But hes already lost with the better team multiple years in a row. How many do you give him realistically? He's shown no ability to take ownership or change. He's an arrogant stubborn a$$hole which is the same thing that got harbaugh fired but shanahan has had twice the time...

The reality is he's average from a coaching standpoint and the front office has done a good job with talent. He's a great offensive coordinator.

He can't do defense, he can't do game management or personnel decisions... He can't even adjust to player strengths or weaknesses, he leans on veterans way too much...

Yes, last year's Superbowl saw Kyle Shannahan Walk into a trap of his own overfocus devices.

Kyle only wants to win his way.

He doesn't want to give the best option which was a dose of Mason running.

It is Kyle's way or the highway.

And unfortunately, we all know what happened.

A broken and devastated fan base left to rue what could have been.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Did anybody realistically think we had a chance of beating the chiefs last year? Honestly deep down before the game did you guys actually think we could beat them?

The answer for me was an obvious no. I knew it would be close but we would lose even before the game because even with superior talent our coaches negate the difference with horrible play calling and personnel decisions.

Shanahan leaves stuff on the table, is the problem. You can't win 3-4 games in a row against good teams with him because even with a superior talent team he handicaps the team.

Case and point: not challenging the catch by brown against the eagles which was a drop the year prior then purdy getting hurt with the stupid play design later.

It's classic shanahan. He will never change.

Why didn't Mason just crush the chiefs in the second half in the Superbowl? The guy was averaging over 5 yards a carry. Why did he try to feed an injured CMC when you knew he was recovering from injury.

The fumble wasn't hindsight it was just smart. All that stuff above is entirely predictable and could have been done better by even an average coach.

Is he a good coach... Yes... But hes already lost with the better team multiple years in a row. How many do you give him realistically? He's shown no ability to take ownership or change. He's an arrogant stubborn a$$hole which is the same thing that got harbaugh fired but shanahan has had twice the time...

The reality is he's average from a coaching standpoint and the front office has done a good job with talent. He's a great offensive coordinator.

He can't do defense, he can't do game management or personnel decisions... He can't even adjust to player strengths or weaknesses, he leans on veterans way too much...

This is a good take...However I want to give him another year to see if he can change and will be more humble. If not then next year he will be shown the door.

I just don't see anyone better and Ben Johnson has never been a HC, he's a coordinator just like Kyle. Not ready to say later dude yet.

And watch more of our dreams be crushed into gold dust.

Originally posted by bassmanr:
This is a good take...However I want to give him another year to see if he can change and will be more humble. If not then next year he will be shown the door.

I just don't see anyone better and Ben Johnson has never been a HC, he's a coordinator just like Kyle. Not ready to say later dude yet.

Some fluke s**t really had to happened for us to lose. s**t we controlled both SBs. It's not like we didn't show up.

building a team from scratch is the hardest thing to do and most coaches don't put themselves in that position. He did and brought that team and 2nd retooled team to SBs without having the best QB in league history

We need to bring back this type of winning culture back next year.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
This is a good take...However I want to give him another year to see if he can change and will be more humble. If not then next year he will be shown the door.

I just don't see anyone better and Ben Johnson has never been a HC, he's a coordinator just like Kyle. Not ready to say later dude yet.

Some fluke s**t really had to happened for us to lose. s**t we controlled both SBs. It's not like we didn't show up.

building a team from scratch is the hardest thing to do and most coaches don't put themselves in that position. He did and brought that team and 2nd retooled team to SBs without having the best QB in league history

He will get his chance to do it again. Let's just hope he knocks it out of the park this offseason and we return to winning football. We need positive forward momentum and fans need to adjust their expectations for next year. It's going to be more about building than winning a superbowl. .500 or better will be a success.

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
This is a good take...However I want to give him another year to see if he can change and will be more humble. If not then next year he will be shown the door.

I just don't see anyone better and Ben Johnson has never been a HC, he's a coordinator just like Kyle. Not ready to say later dude yet.

Some fluke s**t really had to happened for us to lose. s**t we controlled both SBs. It's not like we didn't show up.

building a team from scratch is the hardest thing to do and most coaches don't put themselves in that position. He did and brought that team and 2nd retooled team to SBs without having the best QB in league history

He will get his chance to do it again. Let's just hope he knocks it out of the park this offseason and we return to winning football. We need positive forward momentum and fans need to adjust their expectations for next year. It's going to be more about building than winning a superbowl. .500 or better will be a success.

It looks like we have a weak schedule next year, so my expectations are a little higher. The offseason will influence that, but with the current state of our division and all of our schedules next year, there's no reason we shouldn't be the favorite to win the division.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
This is a good take...However I want to give him another year to see if he can change and will be more humble. If not then next year he will be shown the door.

I just don't see anyone better and Ben Johnson has never been a HC, he's a coordinator just like Kyle. Not ready to say later dude yet.

Some fluke s**t really had to happened for us to lose. s**t we controlled both SBs. It's not like we didn't show up.

building a team from scratch is the hardest thing to do and most coaches don't put themselves in that position. He did and brought that team and 2nd retooled team to SBs without having the best QB in league history

Exactly 💯

I know it's been said we are not going to be like the Tomsula/ Kelly era but how do we know that not to be true. Kyle deserves at least one more year. If he's still a burnt out next year as he was this year then there is an argument to re build. Just don't think it should be this year.

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
This is a good take...However I want to give him another year to see if he can change and will be more humble. If not then next year he will be shown the door.

I just don't see anyone better and Ben Johnson has never been a HC, he's a coordinator just like Kyle. Not ready to say later dude yet.

Some fluke s**t really had to happened for us to lose. s**t we controlled both SBs. It's not like we didn't show up.

building a team from scratch is the hardest thing to do and most coaches don't put themselves in that position. He did and brought that team and 2nd retooled team to SBs without having the best QB in league history

Exactly 💯

I know it's been said we are not going to be like the Tomsula/ Kelly era but how do we know that not to be true. Kyle deserves at least one more year. If he's still a burnt out next year as he was this year then there is an argument to re build. Jus t don't think it should be this year.

We know that because then Jed was on his own and out of his area, and now he's got Lynch doing the work, conducting the interviews, and making the recommendations. Jed's not going to be swayed by somebody like Singletary blowing rah rah smoke in his face this time.

As per Ben Johnson, his offense is scoring 33.3 points per game this year, he's one smart guy, and given Kyle's ability to run games and the whole team, imo, it would be impossible to not expect a huge improvement. Even Johnson running the offense only is superior game management to Kyle's. He still scores in the second half, and he's very hard to beat if you're coming from behind.

Kyle's been outscored in the second half all season long. How can you expect to win a SB? Do you give players a ninth year to improve?

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Did anybody realistically think we had a chance of beating the chiefs last year? Honestly deep down before the game did you guys actually think we could beat them?

The answer for me was an obvious no. I knew it would be close but we would lose even before the game because even with superior talent our coaches negate the difference with horrible play calling and personnel decisions.

Shanahan leaves stuff on the table, is the problem. You can't win 3-4 games in a row against good teams with him because even with a superior talent team he handicaps the team.

Case and point: not challenging the catch by brown against the eagles which was a drop the year prior then purdy getting hurt with the stupid play design later.

It's classic shanahan. He will never change.

Why didn't Mason just crush the chiefs in the second half in the Superbowl? The guy was averaging over 5 yards a carry. Why did he try to feed an injured CMC when you knew he was recovering from injury.

The fumble wasn't hindsight it was just smart. All that stuff above is entirely predictable and could have been done better by even an average coach.

Is he a good coach... Yes... But hes already lost with the better team multiple years in a row. How many do you give him realistically? He's shown no ability to take ownership or change. He's an arrogant stubborn a$$hole which is the same thing that got harbaugh fired but shanahan has had twice the time...

The reality is he's average from a coaching standpoint and the front office has done a good job with talent. He's a great offensive coordinator.

He can't do defense, he can't do game management or personnel decisions... He can't even adjust to player strengths or weaknesses, he leans on veterans way too much...

it was a very frustrating SB. it was mostly shanny v spags, with spags dominating. and this was round 2 vs spags in the bowl, one would think some counters would be learned from prior experience. our O was hard to watch in that game.

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
This is a good take...However I want to give him another year to see if he can change and will be more humble. If not then next year he will be shown the door.

I just don't see anyone better and Ben Johnson has never been a HC, he's a coordinator just like Kyle. Not ready to say later dude yet.

Some fluke s**t really had to happened for us to lose. s**t we controlled both SBs. It's not like we didn't show up.

building a team from scratch is the hardest thing to do and most coaches don't put themselves in that position. He did and brought that team and 2nd retooled team to SBs without having the best QB in league history

Exactly 💯

I know it's been said we are not going to be like the Tomsula/ Kelly era but how do we know that not to be true. Kyle deserves at least one more year. If he's still a burnt out next year as he was this year then there is an argument to re build. Jus t don't think it should be this year.

We know that because then Jed was on his own and out of his area, and now he's got Lynch doing the work, conducting the interviews, and making the recommendations. Jed's not going to be swayed by somebody like Singletary blowing rah rah smoke in his face this time.

As per Ben Johnson, his offense is scoring 33.3 points per game this year, he's one smart guy, and given Kyle's ability to run games and the whole team, imo, it would be impossible to not expect a huge improvement. Even Johnson running the offense only is superior game management to Kyle's. He still scores in the second half, and he's very hard to beat if you're coming from behind.

Kyle's been outscored in the second half all season long. How can you expect to win a SB? Do you give players a ninth year to improve?

Agreed. Jed didn't seem well equipped to hire GMs and HCs back then. Maybe he'd be better at it now, I don't know. Agree on B. Johnson, he seems like one of the top 3 OCs out there right now so I'd be curious to see what kind of HC he can be. And like some other posters have pointed out, I don't know of many things that Shanahan does as a HC that are better than average, so another good OC to take over as HC could be an improvement over what we currently have. I know it won't happen, so I guess we should just move on and hope for the best next season. Off-season should be interesting.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:


We need to bring back this type of winning culture back next year.

Seifert was a great offensive coach but he inherited a good SB winning team when Walsh retired. He didn't buld it. It weas also prior to the salary cap era so Eddie D could sign every mercenary in football. He collected a group of older players that wanted one shot at a SB title. Finally got it in 1995.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
We know that because then Jed was on his own and out of his area, and now he's got Lynch doing the work, conducting the interviews, and making the recommendations. Jed's not going to be swayed by somebody like Singletary blowing rah rah smoke in his face this time.

As per Ben Johnson, his offense is scoring 33.3 points per game this year, he's one smart guy, and given Kyle's ability to run games and the whole team, imo, it would be impossible to not expect a huge improvement. Even Johnson running the offense only is superior game management to Kyle's. He still scores in the second half, and he's very hard to beat if you're coming from behind.

Kyle's been outscored in the second half all season long. How can you expect to win a SB? Do you give players a ninth year to improve?

It's wild to think John Lynch would be here beyond Kyle and that he would lead the charge in hiring a new coach. That isn't going to happen.