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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
it was a very frustrating SB. it was mostly shanny v spags, with spags dominating. and this was round 2 vs spags in the bowl, one would think some counters would be learned from prior experience. our O was hard to watch in that game.

Honestly the most irritating part is you got coaches like belicheat literally worrying about a few psi in the football and stealing signs trying to get every possible advantage where our coach is literally wasting timeouts due to avoiding delay of game penalties because he can't quite jabbering in purdys ear and get the plays selected in time.

We still haven't mastered wiping our own a$$ with time management, challenges, or personnel management. We let CMC dictate his own playing time when he's hurt, and can't even see pudgy deebo is overweight and can't play anymore.

It's basically fundamentals he's still trying to figure out, let alone worrying about little next level minutiae stuff like psi inflation other coaches are doing.

How hard is it to call a stunt blitz or a wrap around move for bosa once in a while. 2 back sets, read option, wildcat, there's like a million options when your offense looks anemic as hell to try. We do none of it... Hell we can't even get a screen off without a holding penalty or illegal formation/ man downfield penalty. Basic stuff has yet to be mastered by shanahan.
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:


We need to bring back this type of winning culture back next year.

Seifert was a great offensive coach but he inherited a good SB winning team when Walsh retired. He didn't buld it. It weas also prior to the salary cap era so Eddie D could sign every mercenary in football. He collected a group of older players that wanted one shot at a SB title. Finally got it in 1995.

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:


We need to bring back this type of winning culture back next year.

Seifert was a great offensive coach but he inherited a good SB winning team when Walsh retired. He didn't buld it. It weas also prior to the salary cap era so Eddie D could sign every mercenary in football. He collected a group of older players that wanted one shot at a SB title. Finally got it in 1995.


Seifert, just think of the names that were OC and moved on Holmgren and Shanahan. then you have andy reid who joined holmgren in GB, along with of course, mariucci. we were the cutting edge of the NFL, and the pack hired that away, then broncos.
[ Edited by 49erFaithful6 on Jan 3, 2025 at 1:49 PM ]
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:


We need to bring back this type of winning culture back next year.

Seifert was a great offensive coach but he inherited a good SB winning team when Walsh retired. He didn't buld it. It weas also prior to the salary cap era so Eddie D could sign every mercenary in football. He collected a group of older players that wanted one shot at a SB title. Finally got it in 1995.


Seifert, just think of the names that were OC and moved on Holmgren and Shanahan. then you have andy reid who joined holmgren in GB, along with of course, mariucci. we were the cutting edge of the NFL, and the pack hired that away, then broncos.

Uhh, George Seifert was a Defensive coach, guys.
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by BOI49er:
We know that because then Jed was on his own and out of his area, and now he's got Lynch doing the work, conducting the interviews, and making the recommendations. Jed's not going to be swayed by somebody like Singletary blowing rah rah smoke in his face this time.

As per Ben Johnson, his offense is scoring 33.3 points per game this year, he's one smart guy, and given Kyle's ability to run games and the whole team, imo, it would be impossible to not expect a huge improvement. Even Johnson running the offense only is superior game management to Kyle's. He still scores in the second half, and he's very hard to beat if you're coming from behind.

Kyle's been outscored in the second half all season long. How can you expect to win a SB? Do you give players a ninth year to improve?

It's wild to think John Lynch would be here beyond Kyle and that he would lead the charge in hiring a new coach. That isn't going to happen.

Do you still judge eight year veteran players by their draft position too?
Originally posted by FanInFlorida:
Originally posted by BOI49er:
Originally posted by bassmanr:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by bassmanr:
This is a good take...However I want to give him another year to see if he can change and will be more humble. If not then next year he will be shown the door.

I just don't see anyone better and Ben Johnson has never been a HC, he's a coordinator just like Kyle. Not ready to say later dude yet.
Some fluke s**t really had to happened for us to lose. s**t we controlled both SBs. It's not like we didn't show up.

building a team from scratch is the hardest thing to do and most coaches don't put themselves in that position. He did and brought that team and 2nd retooled team to SBs without having the best QB in league history

Exactly 💯

I know it's been said we are not going to be like the Tomsula/ Kelly era but how do we know that not to be true. Kyle deserves at least one more year. If he's still a burnt out next year as he was this year then there is an argument to re build. Jus t don't think it should be this year.

We know that because then Jed was on his own and out of his area, and now he's got Lynch doing the work, conducting the interviews, and making the recommendations. Jed's not going to be swayed by somebody like Singletary blowing rah rah smoke in his face this time.

As per Ben Johnson, his offense is scoring 33.3 points per game this year, he's one smart guy, and given Kyle's ability to run games and the whole team, imo, it would be impossible to not expect a huge improvement. Even Johnson running the offense only is superior game management to Kyle's. He still scores in the second half, and he's very hard to beat if you're coming from behind.

Kyle's been outscored in the second half all season long. How can you expect to win a SB? Do you give players a ninth year to improve?

Agreed. Jed didn't seem well equipped to hire GMs and HCs back then. Maybe he'd be better at it now, I don't know. Agree on B. Johnson, he seems like one of the top 3 OCs out there right now so I'd be curious to see what kind of HC he can be. And like some other posters have pointed out, I don't know of many things that Shanahan does as a HC that are better than average, so another good OC to take over as HC could be an improvement over what we currently have. I know it won't happen, so I guess we should just move on and hope for the best next season. Off-season should be interesting.

I agree it Probably won't happen, but the way the world works, you can't say it will while he's still working the job
Originally posted by BOI49er:
Originally posted by FanInFlorida:
Originally posted by BOI49er:
Originally posted by bassmanr:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by bassmanr:
This is a good take...However I want to give him another year to see if he can change and will be more humble. If not then next year he will be shown the door.

I just don't see anyone better and Ben Johnson has never been a HC, he's a coordinator just like Kyle. Not ready to say later dude yet.
Some fluke s**t really had to happened for us to lose. s**t we controlled both SBs. It's not like we didn't show up.

building a team from scratch is the hardest thing to do and most coaches don't put themselves in that position. He did and brought that team and 2nd retooled team to SBs without having the best QB in league history

Exactly 💯

I know it's been said we are not going to be like the Tomsula/ Kelly era but how do we know that not to be true. Kyle deserves at least one more year. If he's still a burnt out next year as he was this year then there is an argument to re build. Jus t don't think it should be this year.

We know that because then Jed was on his own and out of his area, and now he's got Lynch doing the work, conducting the interviews, and making the recommendations. Jed's not going to be swayed by somebody like Singletary blowing rah rah smoke in his face this time.

As per Ben Johnson, his offense is scoring 33.3 points per game this year, he's one smart guy, and given Kyle's ability to run games and the whole team, imo, it would be impossible to not expect a huge improvement. Even Johnson running the offense only is superior game management to Kyle's. He still scores in the second half, and he's very hard to beat if you're coming from behind.

Kyle's been outscored in the second half all season long. How can you expect to win a SB? Do you give players a ninth year to improve?

Agreed. Jed didn't seem well equipped to hire GMs and HCs back then. Maybe he'd be better at it now, I don't know. Agree on B. Johnson, he seems like one of the top 3 OCs out there right now so I'd be curious to see what kind of HC he can be. And like some other posters have pointed out, I don't know of many things that Shanahan does as a HC that are better than average, so another good OC to take over as HC could be an improvement over what we currently have. I know it won't happen, so I guess we should just move on and hope for the best next season. Off-season should be interesting.

I agree it Probably won't happen, but the way the world works, you can't say it will while he's still working the job
you guys didn't even know who Johnson was.. now you thinking he will be a great improvement based on feelings lol
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by BOI49er:
Originally posted by FanInFlorida:
Originally posted by BOI49er:
Originally posted by bassmanr:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by bassmanr:
This is a good take...However I want to give him another year to see if he can change and will be more humble. If not then next year he will be shown the door.

I just don't see anyone better and Ben Johnson has never been a HC, he's a coordinator just like Kyle. Not ready to say later dude yet.
Some fluke s**t really had to happened for us to lose. s**t we controlled both SBs. It's not like we didn't show up.

building a team from scratch is the hardest thing to do and most coaches don't put themselves in that position. He did and brought that team and 2nd retooled team to SBs without having the best QB in league history

Exactly 💯

I know it's been said we are not going to be like the Tomsula/ Kelly era but how do we know that not to be true. Kyle deserves at least one more year. If he's still a burnt out next year as he was this year then there is an argument to re build. Jus t don't think it should be this year.

We know that because then Jed was on his own and out of his area, and now he's got Lynch doing the work, conducting the interviews, and making the recommendations. Jed's not going to be swayed by somebody like Singletary blowing rah rah smoke in his face this time.

As per Ben Johnson, his offense is scoring 33.3 points per game this year, he's one smart guy, and given Kyle's ability to run games and the whole team, imo, it would be impossible to not expect a huge improvement. Even Johnson running the offense only is superior game management to Kyle's. He still scores in the second half, and he's very hard to beat if you're coming from behind.

Kyle's been outscored in the second half all season long. How can you expect to win a SB? Do you give players a ninth year to improve?

Agreed. Jed didn't seem well equipped to hire GMs and HCs back then. Maybe he'd be better at it now, I don't know. Agree on B. Johnson, he seems like one of the top 3 OCs out there right now so I'd be curious to see what kind of HC he can be. And like some other posters have pointed out, I don't know of many things that Shanahan does as a HC that are better than average, so another good OC to take over as HC could be an improvement over what we currently have. I know it won't happen, so I guess we should just move on and hope for the best next season. Off-season should be interesting.

I agree it Probably won't happen, but the way the world works, you can't say it will while he's still working the job
you guys didn't even know who Johnson was.. now you thinking he will be a great improvement based on feelings lol

How do you arrive at our judgement being based on feelings? Besides you ignoring all stats, did you expect QB Goof to play this well?
Originally posted by BOI49er:
Do you still judge eight year veteran players by their draft position too?

Wat
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by BOI49er:
We know that because then Jed was on his own and out of his area, and now he's got Lynch doing the work, conducting the interviews, and making the recommendations. Jed's not going to be swayed by somebody like Singletary blowing rah rah smoke in his face this time.

As per Ben Johnson, his offense is scoring 33.3 points per game this year, he's one smart guy, and given Kyle's ability to run games and the whole team, imo, it would be impossible to not expect a huge improvement. Even Johnson running the offense only is superior game management to Kyle's. He still scores in the second half, and he's very hard to beat if you're coming from behind.

Kyle's been outscored in the second half all season long. How can you expect to win a SB? Do you give players a ninth year to improve?

It's wild to think John Lynch would be here beyond Kyle and that he would lead the charge in hiring a new coach. That isn't going to happen.

There are very low odds Lynch would change head coaches until Kyle wanted to move on. Jed would have to hire a new GM and HC that's a lot of unknowns to just throw out there when we had an off year. Let's see if there is improvement before we do a complete rebuild of the team.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:


We need to bring back this type of winning culture back next year.

Seifert was a great offensive coach but he inherited a good SB winning team when Walsh retired. He didn't buld it. It weas also prior to the salary cap era so Eddie D could sign every mercenary in football. He collected a group of older players that wanted one shot at a SB title. Finally got it in 1995.


Seifert, just think of the names that were OC and moved on Holmgren and Shanahan. then you have andy reid who joined holmgren in GB, along with of course, mariucci. we were the cutting edge of the NFL, and the pack hired that away, then broncos.

You guys talking about George, I was mentioning Tomsula lol...
[ Edited by DRCHOWDER on Jan 3, 2025 at 3:37 PM ]
We let a great future GM for us leave and actually go do it with Washington. They're building something special over there.
Originally posted by bassmanr:
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by BOI49er:
We know that because then Jed was on his own and out of his area, and now he's got Lynch doing the work, conducting the interviews, and making the recommendations. Jed's not going to be swayed by somebody like Singletary blowing rah rah smoke in his face this time.

As per Ben Johnson, his offense is scoring 33.3 points per game this year, he's one smart guy, and given Kyle's ability to run games and the whole team, imo, it would be impossible to not expect a huge improvement. Even Johnson running the offense only is superior game management to Kyle's. He still scores in the second half, and he's very hard to beat if you're coming from behind.

Kyle's been outscored in the second half all season long. How can you expect to win a SB? Do you give players a ninth year to improve?

It's wild to think John Lynch would be here beyond Kyle and that he would lead the charge in hiring a new coach. That isn't going to happen.

There are very low odds Lynch would change head coaches until Kyle wanted to move on. Jed would have to hire a new GM and HC that's a lot of unknowns to just throw out there when we had an off year. Let's see if there is improvement before we do a complete rebuild of the team.

Lynch's roster has often been termed the best in the league. What we know about Kyle's influence on that roster is not pretty. Kyle's performance with that roster has, imo, underperformed his available talent. Kinda by definition, he should have won at least one SB, but beyond that, no wins in 45 games behind by 8 points in the 4th quarter? All the games with very poor late game scoring resulting in blowing leads, and almost No games where he's come back on teams overall, does not distinguish him. Then, how's the defense and special teams doing? How's the discipline doing with penalties for example. Does he keep the team fired up and positive in the face of adversity? Can't see it.

Both Kyle and John report to Jed. Neither one can fire the other. But John has recently called the team performance "unacceptable". That's not something you do publically without consulting ownership first, because if you do, now you have to do something about it if it doesn't change. This team is sloppy. That's on coaching. A season high eleven penalties last week? It hasn't changed.

Bottom line is Kyle has consistantly lost the halftime adjustments to the other coaches, his team is underperforming even the healthy talent he still has, his responsibilities in defense and special teams are totally neglected, the discipline is absolute bottom in the league, the team is not fired up in the face of adversity, his long known bias towards favorites and veterans has resulted in cap and health issues and a dearth of young talent, and his blaming players and taking No responsiblity for his poor judgement, poor adjustments, and poor preparations like in understanding the playoff overtime rules, may have resulted in flat out losing this team. About the only way to take the decision out of ownership's hands is to lose the team.

And No Sir, if one person is performing at the top of the league, and the other is underperforming his talent level, in no real world do you deprive yourself of the good performer because they came into the organization together eight years ago. Why would you do that, unless you think You can do that job. Jed doesn't.
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by BOI49er:
Do you still judge eight year veteran players by their draft position too?

Wat

Do you still judge eight year veteran players by their draft position too, like you judge Lynch by his being recommended by Kyle eight years ago, even though he has an eight year record now, and his team has frequently been described as the best in the league? You want to tie Lynch's career to Kyle's, but I think Jed will judge Lynch's football judgement talents to his own, favorably, and not want to do without.
Originally posted by BOI49er:
Do you still judge eight year veteran players by their draft position too, like you judge Lynch by his being recommended by Kyle eight years ago, even though he has an eight year record now, and his team has frequently been described as the best in the league? You want to tie Lynch's career to Kyle's, but I think Jed will judge Lynch's football judgement talents to his own, favorably, and not want to do without.

I don't think you understand the structural hierarchy of the team. That said, I wouldn't put it outside the realm of possibility that Jed and Paraag would want to retain Lynch if they were to decide to fire Kyle. I doubt it, and I doubt Lynch would want to stay as well.
[ Edited by SmokeyJoe on Jan 3, 2025 at 4:45 PM ]
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