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Originally posted by BOI49er:
Originally posted by bassmanr:
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by BOI49er:
We know that because then Jed was on his own and out of his area, and now he's got Lynch doing the work, conducting the interviews, and making the recommendations. Jed's not going to be swayed by somebody like Singletary blowing rah rah smoke in his face this time.

As per Ben Johnson, his offense is scoring 33.3 points per game this year, he's one smart guy, and given Kyle's ability to run games and the whole team, imo, it would be impossible to not expect a huge improvement. Even Johnson running the offense only is superior game management to Kyle's. He still scores in the second half, and he's very hard to beat if you're coming from behind.

Kyle's been outscored in the second half all season long. How can you expect to win a SB? Do you give players a ninth year to improve?

It's wild to think John Lynch would be here beyond Kyle and that he would lead the charge in hiring a new coach. That isn't going to happen.

There are very low odds Lynch would change head coaches until Kyle wanted to move on. Jed would have to hire a new GM and HC that's a lot of unknowns to just throw out there when we had an off year. Let's see if there is improvement before we do a complete rebuild of the team.

Lynch's roster has often been termed the best in the league. What we know about Kyle's influence on that roster is not pretty. Kyle's performance with that roster has, imo, underperformed his available talent. Kinda by definition, he should have won at least one SB, but beyond that, no wins in 45 games behind by 8 points in the 4th quarter? All the games with very poor late game scoring resulting in blowing leads, and almost No games where he's come back on teams overall, does not distinguish him. Then, how's the defense and special teams doing? How's the discipline doing with penalties for example. Does he keep the team fired up and positive in the face of adversity? Can't see it.

Both Kyle and John report to Jed. Neither one can fire the other. But John has recently called the team performance "unacceptable". That's not something you do publically without consulting ownership first, because if you do, now you have to do something about it if it doesn't change. This team is sloppy. That's on coaching. A season high eleven penalties last week? It hasn't changed.

Bottom line is Kyle has consistantly lost the halftime adjustments to the other coaches, his team is underperforming even the healthy talent he still has, his responsibilities in defense and special teams are totally neglected, the discipline is absolute bottom in the league, the team is not fired up in the face of adversity, his long known bias towards favorites and veterans has resulted in cap and health issues and a dearth of young talent, and his blaming players and taking No responsiblity for his poor judgement, poor adjustments, and poor preparations like in understanding the playoff overtime rules, may have resulted in flat out losing this team. About the only way to take the decision out of ownership's hands is to lose the team.

And No Sir, if one person is performing at the top of the league, and the other is underperforming his talent level, in no real world do you deprive yourself of the good performer because they came into the organization together eight years ago. Why would you do that, unless you think You can do that job. Jed doesn't.

You have a good argument but Lynch is not firing Kyle this off season and maybe not even next year. If Lynch leaves then Kyle will probably be gone. I'm not Kyle fan yet but it's stupid to blow up the team this year. As I have said, give him next year and I'll be with you on the get rid of Kyle if he has another year like this one.
[ Edited by bassmanr on Jan 3, 2025 at 4:56 PM ]
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by BOI49er:
Do you still judge eight year veteran players by their draft position too, like you judge Lynch by his being recommended by Kyle eight years ago, even though he has an eight year record now, and his team has frequently been described as the best in the league? You want to tie Lynch's career to Kyle's, but I think Jed will judge Lynch's football judgement talents to his own, favorably, and not want to do without.

I don't think you understand the structural hierarchy of the team. That said, I wouldn't put it outside the realm of possibility that Jed and Paraag would want to retain Lynch if they were to decide to fire Kyle. I doubt it, and I doubt Lynch would want to stay as well.

OK. I see the hierarchy as Jed can fire either Kyle or John. Neither Kyle or John could fire the other without consulting and getting the approval of Jed. If Jed were convinced, he wouldn't want to increase the humiliation by allowing either one to be fired by a peer, and would do it himself. Kyle has complete control over his coaching staff, and John's his personnel staff. Jed Could fire any of those subordinates, but that would be a breach of contract, and he'd be Very reluctant to do that, and Kyle or John would be within their right to quit and remain paid.

Where am I going wrong?


Originally posted by BOI49er:
OK. I see the hierarchy as Jed can fire either Kyle or John. Neither Kyle or John could fire the other without consulting and getting the approval of Jed. If Jed were convinced, he wouldn't want to increase the humiliation by allowing either one to be fired by a peer, and would do it himself. Kyle has complete control over his coaching staff, and John's his personnel staff. Jed Could fire any of those subordinates, but that would be a breach of contract, and he'd be Very reluctant to do that, and Kyle or John would be within their right to quit and remain paid.

Where am I going wrong?

I am no expert on American employment law but your last sentence looks extremely suspect to me. Jed is the CEO. If he fires anyone in the organisation, he or she is fired and that is the end of it. And if someone quits, for any reason, their pay ceases.

In a professional organisation like the Niners though, these things are resolved behind closed doors.
CBS Sports- "Projecting which NFL coaches on hot seat will be fired: What are Kyle Shanahan, Shane Steichen's fates?

The chatter is expanding out of the zone and into the mainstream sports media. Once it starts the only thing to stop it is Winning. This offseason and the team's performance next year will determine Kyle's fate. Right now the angle is Kyle will only leave if he wants to. A bad offseason and a slow start next year will change the tune and a subpar 2025 will seal his fate. I don't trust or like the dude but he is in control of the team so we have no choice other than rooting for him to turn it around. Good luck Kyle, wishing you a prosperous New Year. Show us what so many think you are capable of. Rebuild that winning engine of an offensive and restore that once dependable and fierce defense and special teams. After tomorrow, you have a blank canvas. Injuries are no longer a concern, poor execution is off the table and underperforming/undisciplined play are nonexistent. It's you, your gm and your staff that are on the field. Show us what you can do. Bring that genius out of the closet and build this thing back, and better than ever. You have done it before ,so there is no reason you can't do it again… right? It's go time.
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by BOI49er:
OK. I see the hierarchy as Jed can fire either Kyle or John. Neither Kyle or John could fire the other without consulting and getting the approval of Jed. If Jed were convinced, he wouldn't want to increase the humiliation by allowing either one to be fired by a peer, and would do it himself. Kyle has complete control over his coaching staff, and John's his personnel staff. Jed Could fire any of those subordinates, but that would be a breach of contract, and he'd be Very reluctant to do that, and Kyle or John would be within their right to quit and remain paid.

Where am I going wrong?

I am no expert on American employment law but your last sentence looks extremely suspect to me. Jed is the CEO. If he fires anyone in the organisation, he or she is fired and that is the end of it. And if someone quits, for any reason, their pay ceases.

In a professional organisation like the Niners though, these things are resolved behind closed doors.

That comes from my understanding that it is customary for the head coachs as well as the GM's to get contracts, and I believe it is usaual for all of them to have control over their staffs, and these people will not take those jobs without that control because they will need it to succeed. My comment pertains to performance issues, and would not pertain to any behavior that would embarrass the organization. There have been cases where ownership requests that the coach fire a specific subordinate, and it gets down to that becoming a condition of the head coach's further employment. Obviously, I'm not privy to the contracts, but imo you'd have to have very low clout to not get that control. It would not be a matter of law except that the law is supposed to uphold valid contracts, and that's a necessity for any free market economy to work. Yes, in practice, you'd fire the coach and not the subordinate, because that's what your contract allows you to do.
[ Edited by BOI49er on Jan 4, 2025 at 9:21 AM ]
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Johnny Boy: "We have been looking at the root causes"

The Root Cause = Kyle Shanahan
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Originally posted by Koldo:
Johnny Boy: "We have been looking at the root causes"

The Root Cause = Kyle Shanahan

Originally posted by Koldo:
Johnny Boy: "We have been looking at the root causes"

The Root Cause = Kyle Shanahan

Originally posted by Koldo:
Johnny Boy: "We have been looking at the root causes"

The Root Cause = Kyle Shanahan

It's both. They miss too much in the draft and FA. They are a catastrophe at player acquisition. But it's more so Kyle for sure. He's a mess. Got to go or we will never win.
Its annoying that all season long Kyle has defended Brandon Allen being the backup, yet in every opportunity he has looked like crap. Then Dobbs finally gets in and does well. The same Dobbs who has been a successful starter before. I don't get why he wasn't the backup this entire time.
Originally posted by Niners99:
Its annoying that all season long Kyle has defended Brandon Allen being the backup, yet in every opportunity he has looked like crap. Then Dobbs finally gets in and does well. The same Dobbs who has been a successful starter before. I don't get why he wasn't the backup this entire time.

LOL.

I do. I know why....
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Its annoying that all season long Kyle has defended Brandon Allen being the backup, yet in every opportunity he has looked like crap. Then Dobbs finally gets in and does well. The same Dobbs who has been a successful starter before. I don't get why he wasn't the backup this entire time.

LOL.

I do. I know why....

LOL
Originally posted by Niners99:
Its annoying that all season long Kyle has defended Brandon Allen being the backup, yet in every opportunity he has looked like crap. Then Dobbs finally gets in and does well. The same Dobbs who has been a successful starter before. I don't get why he wasn't the backup this entire time.
i wonder why so many teams bench Dobbs.. it can't be football.. right
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Its annoying that all season long Kyle has defended Brandon Allen being the backup, yet in every opportunity he has looked like crap. Then Dobbs finally gets in and does well. The same Dobbs who has been a successful starter before. I don't get why he wasn't the backup this entire time.
i wonder why so many teams bench Dobbs.. it can't be football.. right

When your the smartest guy in the room it probably rubs a lot of these egotistical coaches the wrong way.

Dobbs is an aerospace engineer. He likely has opinions and that bothers most coaches most likely.
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