49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by captveg:
Since when was the Super Bowl against KC for the 2019 season "unlosable"? KC was the odds favorite!

since we we up by 10 with seven minutes left in the game…

Sounds familiar...

Originally posted by DrEll:
since we we up by 10 with seven minutes left in the game…

Every team that faced KC that postseason was up by 10+ at one point. And every single one of them lost by 10+. They were one of the greatest offenses of all time.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
these are great debates, and feel free to put the JG stuff in that thread

i think it does boil down at the end of the day, Kyle has no idea what he's looking for at QB or how to get it.

we continually make all the wrong moves at QB. seems shanny is doomed to go his whole tenure here, without a truly dynamic weapon at QB, to unlock more of the offense. he has more game manager types. if you give kyle a dual threat high level game changing QB we would probably wreck the league. it's getting late in the process now, he may only get one more move at QB, which is pay brock.

Truly dynamic weapons at QB are incredibly hard to find. Franchises go decades without finding them. We're one of them.

That's one of the things that makes Kyle a valuable asset. We can be a multi-year contender without one.

bUt wHat hAs kYlE dOnE tHiS yEaR !!! -mUcK

Why can't you answer the question? NY runs away....again...you have to be passive aggressive and troll..

It's a perfectly logical question to ask when you guys get so defensive when point out why we are losing. So if we're wrong on being so negative tell us what he did well. This non-answer trolling is cowardice. Starting something like NY just did then running away...
again...when he has no answers is just not right.(I understand we all have lives but this isn't the first time, it's like 95% of the time)

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by DrEll:
since we we up by 10 with seven minutes left in the game…

Every team that faced KC that postseason was up by 10+ at one point. And every single one of them lost by 10+. They were one of the greatest offenses of all time.

That's your response ? It's ok we gave up 21 points in 7 minutes at the end of the game and put up 0 points to boot in that same time frame (only 10 points in the half) BECAUSE KC did it to Tennessee and Houston ?!

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
these are great debates, and feel free to put the JG stuff in that thread

i think it does boil down at the end of the day, Kyle has no idea what he's looking for at QB or how to get it.

we continually make all the wrong moves at QB. seems shanny is doomed to go his whole tenure here, without a truly dynamic weapon at QB, to unlock more of the offense. he has more game manager types. if you give kyle a dual threat high level game changing QB we would probably wreck the league. it's getting late in the process now, he may only get one more move at QB, which is pay brock.

three first round draft picks for Lance proves that.

Imagine if we had those three first round draft picks including Mich Parsons who we should have selected.

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Bill Walsh let Joe just do his own thing all game long?

Hahaha right?

in one breath it's he's too controlling in another breath it's Kyle is responsible for every single thing no matter what. They can't even argue properly…sound like a bunch of kids complaining just of complain.

So what did Kyle do good this year? Anyone? I'm trying to be positive but you guys can't name a song positive yet. Why not? Ny you always run away but anyone else?

It was a s**t year all around. The good coaches tho, when it's a down year for whatever reasons, know how to keep their teams motivated, not lose the locker room, and players still going out and playing hard. There were no subtle jabs by players, no media sound bites from players, it was still all positivity because of the culture he created it and because the players still believe in him.

Unlike some of our idiotic fans, players understand how bad this season was because all the injuries. So until the players start rebelling against the Kyle, there's no reason to listen to some of these idiotic fans who sit around licking the Cheeto dust of their fingers and acting like they know s**t.

Originally posted by evil:

Will you continue to call plays or will you delegate that sometimes?

KS: "I mean, yeah I'll continue to call plays, but Klay and I have done everything here the last two years together kind of hand in hand. We put the game plan in together. Yeah, I call it, only one person can speak to the quarterback, but I mean him, [run game coordinator/offensive line coach Chris] Foerster, [tight ends coach Brian] Fleury, those are the guys I rely on through play calling throughout the game. It's not like I'm just in silence there calling every play. I'm discussing it with the guys we've prepared with in the week, discussing it with the guys who are talking with their players and what they see. And that's the same thing we all did for Klay versus Arizona."

Certain people have tried to portray narratives about Kyle and an apparent" so called ego". Looks like his so called ego asks him to lean on his assistants for input on gamedays wrt his playcalling.

That'll give them more ammunition. "Kyle such a weak HC, has to rely on better coaches/assistances to help him"

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by DrEll:
since we we up by 10 with seven minutes left in the game…

Every team that faced KC that postseason was up by 10+ at one point. And every single one of them lost by 10+. They were one of the greatest offenses of all time.

Well that's ok then.

If they are unbeatable then we should have just walked off the field when we were 10 points in front of them infront of all those people watching and GIVEN UP

Instead of allowing Kyle to play Uber conservative offense and hand the win to Kansas City.

Originally posted by DrEll:
That's your response ? It's ok we gave up 21 points in 7 minutes at the end of the game and put up 0 points to boot in that same time frame (only 10 points in the half) BECAUSE KC did it to Tennessee and Houston ?!

I didn't say it was 'ok'. What I intimated was that a 10 point lead against that team with 7 minutes left didn't put us anywhere near an 'unlosable' situation because of what that team was capable of. We saw it time and time again.

That's what you responded to in case you're confused. The idea that this game was 'unlosable'.

Our local reporters are just weak s**ts.

from watching the presser you would have thought all these troubles and issues that need to be looked into is some recent new thing. Kyle talking about key games this season, where we had opportunities to win those games, only to lose them... and how that was important. How they need to figure out what went wrong, and try to fix it for next year. AS IF WE HAVEN'T HAD THOSE SAME f**kING ISSUES FOR YEARS NOW! as if we haven't lost two Super Bowls to the same team, being in similar circumstances... or losing the Rams when we had a lead. Not being able to put teams away on offense, only to watch our defense finally give in.

See when you are in denial about your issues, and everyone else plays along... you're not going to some how fix them. Sure you can be talented enough to get further than other teams, but eventually it will show. But difference is, we will not be as talented as we have been in those past year f**k ups.

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
these are great debates, and feel free to put the JG stuff in that thread

i think it does boil down at the end of the day, Kyle has no idea what he's looking for at QB or how to get it.

we continually make all the wrong moves at QB. seems shanny is doomed to go his whole tenure here, without a truly dynamic weapon at QB, to unlock more of the offense. he has more game manager types. if you give kyle a dual threat high level game changing QB we would probably wreck the league. it's getting late in the process now, he may only get one more move at QB, which is pay brock.

Truly dynamic weapons at QB are incredibly hard to find. Franchises go decades without finding them. We're one of them.

That's one of the things that makes Kyle a valuable asset. We can be a multi-year contender without one.

bUt wHat hAs kYlE dOnE tHiS yEaR !!! -mUcK

Why can't you answer the question? NY runs away....again...you have to be passive aggressive and troll..

It's a perfectly logical question to ask when you guys get so defensive when point out why we are losing. So if we're wrong on being so negative tell us what he did well. This non-answer trolling is cowardice. Starting something like NY just did then running away...
again...when he has no answers is just not right.(I understand we all have lives but this isn't the first time, it's like 95% of the time)

everyone tells you their answer.. you just plug your ears and close your eyes lol

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
The point I and others are making is that Jimmy has done just fine without Kyle.

Fact is, some say, Kyle did not utilise Jimmy effectively and you can see that Kyle Shannahan is starting to do the same thing with Brock Purdy.

Brock's work in the red zone has Kyle's initials all over it. Conservative, conservative, conservative.

Add to that a kicker like moody who misses as many as he gets, and you can see why the fan base of the San Francisco 49ers is Uber frustrated with what they have seen recently.

Add this to the fact Kyle lost an unlosable Superbowl to Kansas City when 10-0 up and again playing Uber conservative offence, so much so that All World tight End George Kittle ended the game with one reception for two years and you get the picture. It all adds up.

Kyle makes the same mistakes, over and over and over and over and over and over again.

From Matt Ryan in the Superbowl to this year of mediocracy.

Except with Matt Ryan he got crucified for not being conservative. Fact is, he put his team in position to win the SB and they s**t the bed. They had a holding call that negated what basically would have iced the game after a big gain. They had a RB miss a block then the QB taking a sack knocking them out of FG range and a fumble. I haven't even got to the defense yet. Being up 38-3 then losing.

This past SB we scored on our last 3-4 possessions to keep giving us the lead. Once again his defense can't make a play.

In ATLANTA neither his offense nor defense made a play down the stretch to win. On offense plays were there to be made they didn't make them.

This past Superbowl his unit made the plays down the stretch. Him as HC/OC should be at worse 2-1 in Superbowls. Argument can be made 3-0 but 1st KC Superbowl there was definitely blame on Kyle for being conservative IMO.

In the last Superbowl last year vrs Kansas City, Kyle went uber conservative offensively when we were 10-0 up in the first haldf when Kansas City was on their Knees begging for mercy. Kyle actually showed Kansas City mercy. Stupid, stupid, stupid stupid. We should have been miles ahead at half time. We should have been out of sight so no matter what Kansas City did, they couldn't come back.

So, Kyle kind of rectified it by the last quarter but it was too late.

When you get into a pissing competition with Patrick Mahomes in over time, and then stupidly decided to receive the ball after winning the coin toss, you are setting Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid up to succeed and for Kyle and for Kyle's team, the San Francisco 49ers to fail.

Which we did. Again!

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by DrEll:
That's your response ? It's ok we gave up 21 points in 7 minutes at the end of the game and put up 0 points to boot in that same time frame (only 10 points in the half) BECAUSE KC did it to Tennessee and Houston ?!

I didn't say it was 'ok'. What I intimated was that a 10 point lead against that team with 7 minutes left didn't put us anywhere near an 'unlosable' situation because of what that team was capable of. We saw it time and time again.

That's what you responded to in case you're confused. The idea that this game was 'unlosable'.

what's funny is they want to ignore actual facts.. the KC team was bad ass that year

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by DrEll:
That's your response ? It's ok we gave up 21 points in 7 minutes at the end of the game and put up 0 points to boot in that same time frame (only 10 points in the half) BECAUSE KC did it to Tennessee and Houston ?!

I didn't say it was 'ok'. What I intimated was that a 10 point lead against that team with 7 minutes left didn't put us anywhere near an 'unlosable' situation because of what that team was capable of. We saw it time and time again.

That's what you responded to in case you're confused. The idea that this game was 'unlosable'.

what's funny is they want to ignore actual facts.. the KC team was bad ass that year

and yet we should have beaten them in the Superbowl.

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
Ok what do you think Kyle did well this year NY? We talk so much negativity in here but let's be positive about this season. No excuses just what Kyle did well please. Let's be positive please but I need you to enlighten me since you apparently understand more than me.

I noticed you skipped over the post of me showing your double standards. Wonder why?

4th in overall yards per game this yr.
2nd in yards per play.
13th in pts per game.
8th best in yards allowed
5th best in passing yards allowed this yr

I can explain to you the reasons for a down yr and why very easily, you don't want to have a objective conversation about it so what's the point