49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
Maybe that's why those teams won and the current team losses

It's a fine line between pleasure and pain.

Its not. Walsh is why they won. It's always the coach and the managers. Owners just need to sign checks and stay out the damn way.

There is an argument to say that Bill Walsh was harder on himself than Eddie De Bartolo ever was.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Thats what constant pressure will do to you, it's all about results. Did you notice that same coach (Bill Walsh) came back to run the football operations??

Eddie D was a winner, didn't give a **** about hurting someones feelings. Not everyone is cut out to be a winner.

Bill Walsh was wired the same way, it was his way or his way! These guys shaped really tough men, guys would cut their fingers off for these leaders. The results speak for themselves.

Jed & Kyle are nice guys?

He came back after Eddie was gone. Wouldn't have come back for Eddie.

Bill Walsh was the winner. He built Camelot. Eddie just signed the checks.

Eddie D was the shot caller, we haven't been able to do it without him. Walsh's fingerprints was all over all 5 super Bowl Championships as well.

West Coast Offense coupled with Eddie D's drive was a match made in Heaven. Camelot was in reference to Eddie D's spending (first to pay for each player to have his own hotel room, food, and lavish team trips), he would do anything for these guys. All he asked in return was for them to win and if they didn't there was hell to pay.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
No matter how we slice it, those guys have rings.

Everyone else is guessing, while some guys have that winning formula. We used to have that here and it was created by Eddie D & Bill Walsh.

Who cares about rings from over 15 yrs ago and 12 yrs ago? So you telling me if Kyle won one more game he gets to be untouchable and can't be criticized for the rest of his football career? He has a winning formula even though he hasn't won in over 15 yrs lol? Nah that just shows you how for damn hard it is to win it all.

According to you they haven't won s**t in forever and that's with one guy being given a HOF QB and the other has a likely 3x MVP.

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Eddie D was the shot caller, we haven't been able to do it without him. Walsh's fingerprints was all over all 5 super Bowl Championships as well.

West Coast Offense coupled with Eddie D's drive was a match made in Heaven. Camelot was in reference to Eddie D's spending (first to pay for each player to have his own hotel room, food, and lavish team trips), he would do anything for these guys. All he asked in return was for them to win and if they didn't there was hell to pay.

Walsh was the reason for the dynasty. That's it. It was him, the teams and staffs he built. As soon as he left, the dynasty started to die. It was his players and coaches that kept things going just a little while longer.

Without Walsh, Eddie D is just a spoiled rich guy that likely doesn't have a single ring to show off. Had the Rams gone ahead and hired Walsh like he wanted, there would never have been a 49ers dynasty.

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Eddie D was the shot caller, we haven't been able to do it without him. Walsh's fingerprints was all over all 5 super Bowl Championships as well.

West Coast Offense coupled with Eddie D's drive was a match made in Heaven. Camelot was in reference to Eddie D's spending (first to pay for each player to have his own hotel room, food, and lavish team trips), he would do anything for these guys. All he asked in return was for them to win and if they didn't there was hell to pay.

He was great to the players. No denying that.

But again all you talk about with Eddie is signing checks. He didn't develop the system. He didn't pick the players. He didn't develop all the HOFers. What Walsh built was because of Walsh. All Walsh needed was an owner to stay out the way. He would've succeeded anywhere.

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Bill Walsh let Joe just do his own thing all game long?

Hahaha right?

in one breath it's he's too controlling in another breath it's Kyle is responsible for every single thing no matter what. They can't even argue properly…sound like a bunch of kids complaining just of complain.

So what did Kyle do good this year? Anyone? I'm trying to be positive but you guys can't name a song positive yet. Why not? Ny you always run away but anyone else?

It was a s**t year all around. The good coaches tho, when it's a down year for whatever reasons, know how to keep their teams motivated, not lose the locker room, and players still going out and playing hard. There were no subtle jabs by players, no media sound bites from players, it was still all positivity because of the culture he created it and because the players still believe in him.

Unlike some of our idiotic fans, players understand how bad this season was because all the injuries. So until the players start rebelling against the Kyle, there's no reason to listen to some of these idiotic fans who sit around licking the Cheeto dust of their fingers and acting like they know s**t.

Decent response... It's nice when you actually talk football instead of attacking posters every once in great great a while. There most definitely does seem to be good camaraderie and chemistry outside of homeboy quitting which I won't pin on Kyle. I said yesterday(all year) that he deserves another off-season to reload and get healthy.

With that said, I think you're driving my point that there was not a lot of good of anything coming out of this season. Very little like Puni, Green, JJ, and Lenoir but not much. We blew leads we shouldn't have, again. We turned the ball over. We didn't get turnovers, we were outscored by 75 points in the fourth, redzone was dismal, defense was bad, offense was bad, special teams was an embarrassment... .. . I could go on and on.

You guys think a HC has absolutely NOTHING to do with any of that. Me? I think it's a direct reflection of poor coaching. No tangibles, no discipline, no moxy in the 4th, very little player development and very little anyone playing above their average. Not is everything his fault? No but it still is his fault.

I don't think Kyle is perfect or best HC in the league. I don't think he's in that top 3-5 coaches yet, very close tho. He's a very good head coach, that can be one of the best.

I do think he needs to be better at time management, better at in game adjustments. Him being too loyal to players (it links with his in game adjustments). Him overusing some players, even when it's not working, also hampers his in game adjustments (part of the player loyalty problem). Drafting a RB every year also annoys me lol.

With that said, this season the main issue was injuries. If you can't admit to that it's pointless discussion. Not only the injury problems, but players like CMC, Trent, BA, starting the season poorly shouldn't be blamed on Kyle either. Ricky getting shot. Ward losing his daughter and missing all those games. We had so much s**t go wrong that had nothing to do with Kyle.

All of that attributed to all those things you listed. I mean ffs sake, last year Deebo, CMC, BA, combined for 40 TDs, this year 4...Purdy also didn't play to his previous 2 years level either, he also looked off (playing hurt most likely). Kyle isn't telling players to fumble or throw bad picks. So you would actually have a point if in previous years we also sucked in the redzone, we also sucked on defense, we also sucked in the 4th, we were getting blown out, etc.

Idc if you're BB, without the right personnel, you're not gonna do well as a HC, as he proved as well.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
Maybe that's why those teams won and the current team losses

It's a fine line between pleasure and pain.

Its not. Walsh is why they won. It's always the coach and the managers. Owners just need to sign checks and stay out the damn way.

That's a losing formula, owners can stay so far out of the way that Head Coaches will stop them at the door and tell them that the meeting is for "men only".

That would have never happened to Eddie D!

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Eddie D was the shot caller, we haven't been able to do it without him. Walsh's fingerprints was all over all 5 super Bowl Championships as well.

West Coast Offense coupled with Eddie D's drive was a match made in Heaven. Camelot was in reference to Eddie D's spending (first to pay for each player to have his own hotel room, food, and lavish team trips), he would do anything for these guys. All he asked in return was for them to win and if they didn't there was hell to pay.

He was great to the players. No denying that.

But again all you talk about with Eddie is signing checks. He didn't develop the system. He didn't pick the players. He didn't develop all the HOFers. What Walsh built was because of Walsh. All Walsh needed was an owner to stay out the way. He would've succeeded anywhere.

Who hired Bill Walsh to do those things?

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Walsh was the reason for the dynasty. That's it. It was him, the teams and staffs he built. As soon as he left, the dynasty started to die. It was his players and coaches that kept things going just a little while longer.

Without Walsh, Eddie D is just a spoiled rich kid that likely doesn't have a single ring to show off.

Exactly right.

Without Stick Michael George Steinbrenner is a blow hard that had a couple good season then got himself suspended.

Jerry Buss is a rich playboy with Laker girls without Jerry West.

How's Jerry Jones done without what Jimmy Johndon built?

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Eddie D was the shot caller, we haven't been able to do it without him. Walsh's fingerprints was all over all 5 super Bowl Championships as well.

West Coast Offense coupled with Eddie D's drive was a match made in Heaven. Camelot was in reference to Eddie D's spending (first to pay for each player to have his own hotel room, food, and lavish team trips), he would do anything for these guys. All he asked in return was for them to win and if they didn't there was hell to pay.

Walsh was the reason for the dynasty. That's it. It was him, the teams and staffs he built. As soon as he left, the dynasty started to die. It was his players and coaches that kept things going just a little while longer.

Without Walsh, Eddie D is just a spoiled rich guy that likely doesn't have a single ring to show off. Had the Rams gone ahead and hired Walsh like he wanted, there would never have been a 49ers dynasty.

The chicken needs to be hatched from the egg and the egg needs to be dropped from the chicken.

On January 9, 1979, Walsh resigned as head coach at Stanford, and San Francisco 49ers team owner Edward J. DeBartolo, Jr. fired head coach Fred O'Connor and general manager Joe Thomas following a 2–14 in 1978 season. Walsh was appointed head coach of the 49ers the next day.

So, there is a bit of involvement by both.

Coach Walsh could have easily been the Cincinnati Bengals head coach except for Paul Brown. I wonder what history would look like if that had happened.

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Who hired Bill Walsh to do those things?

The guy who signed the checks. Money well spent.

If I write a check and that money helps find the cure for cancer I didn't actually cure the cancer.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Eddie D was the shot caller, we haven't been able to do it without him. Walsh's fingerprints was all over all 5 super Bowl Championships as well.

West Coast Offense coupled with Eddie D's drive was a match made in Heaven. Camelot was in reference to Eddie D's spending (first to pay for each player to have his own hotel room, food, and lavish team trips), he would do anything for these guys. All he asked in return was for them to win and if they didn't there was hell to pay.

Walsh was the reason for the dynasty. That's it. It was him, the teams and staffs he built. As soon as he left, the dynasty started to die. It was his players and coaches that kept things going just a little while longer.

Without Walsh, Eddie D is just a spoiled rich guy that likely doesn't have a single ring to show off. Had the Rams gone ahead and hired Walsh like he wanted, there would never have been a 49ers dynasty.

I love them both, won't ever try to pit them against one another. The foundation was set by Eddie D & Bill Walsh.

Eddie D have the vision and Bill Walsh was a part of that vision. Together they created camelot, designed strategies that changed the game! Even when walsh retired we still won 2 more super bowls, but more importantly we haven't won one since Eddie D left.

There is no Walsh without Eddie D, & there is no Eddie D without Bill Walsh.

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
The chicken needs to be hatched from the egg and the egg needs to be dropped from the chicken.

On January 9, 1979, Walsh resigned as head coach at Stanford, and San Francisco 49ers team owner Edward J. DeBartolo, Jr. fired head coach Fred O'Connor and general manager Joe Thomas following a 2–14 in 1978 season. Walsh was appointed head coach of the 49ers the next day.

So, there is a bit of involvement by both.

Coach Walsh could have easily been the Cincinnati Bengals head coach except for Paul Brown. I wonder what history would look like if that had happened.

Bengals.wouldve won multiple titles.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Who hired Bill Walsh to do those things?

The guy who signed the checks. Money well spent.

If I write a check and that money helps find the cure for cancer I didn't actually cure the cancer.

Yea you did