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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:except those mistakes really fall on the players not executing
that's the prob in here, it's all black and white. so if you like shanny and you point out the mistakes he's making you are in no mans land.
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
I love how everyone blames the NFL before blaming the idiot for not knowing the rules or taking them serious.
It was simple... Kyle should have just shut his mouth, said he will interview candidates for the OC position. Then choose Klay. THAT f**kING SIMPLE!
Now with Kyle, again being horrible at knowning rules or paying attention to details..being unprepared, puts Klay and the team in a weird position (like he did to poor Jordan Mason with the press) that if he does do interviews... and picks Klay, the running theme would be that Kyle never took those other interviews serious.
The solution to this is still simple... request interviews to coaches you know will accept this circus situation, then announce Klay as the OC. Do NOT request interviews with coaches who have any pride, who looking for OC positions. To where you're the laughing stock because everyone knows what is going on, and those types of coaches will decline the interview..and the media will make a story out of it (since you soft fans care what the media thinks or how our players treat them).
Interview some young assistants that are looking to get a position to gain experience as a pass game coordinator (Klay's previous position). The interview would be beneficial for them.. they don't get OC title.. but can also apply for the other position and get hired there (be it after another interview, if needed).
I agree in that Kyle totally messed this up. I also think it wouldn't have hurt to have 1 or 2 legit candidates for interviews. What could it have hurt? Get some other eyeballs on the offense, other ideas, etc. Even legitimately entertaining the idea of surrendering playcalling duty. Offering other positions up would've been wise as well. Just a total muff by Kyle. I support him as being head coach but this kind of stuff is why some think he's too myopic to be head coach.
No, because that makes too much damn sense.
Kyle needs 100% control over who ever gets that position, he needs a yes man. We saw how he treats a coach who is not a yes man (Steve Wilks).
Kyle said it himself, Klay is going to be doing the same thing he has been doing these past few years. The only difference is that Klay will have the OC title now.
For other folks, anyone who didn't watch the press conference, watch it. Or watch it again. Pay attention to Kyle's words. Nothing is going to change on offense....nothing is going to look different, unless Kyle wants it to. It's not going to be because of Klay Kubiak.
So a guy who's worked for him for 2+ years and is due a promotion in Kyle's mind, is bad? Sounds pretty normal to me, and a smart man with common sense wouldn't relate about such a dumb rule in this case.
The rule in this situation is f**king dumb. Do you both work? That's like saying when your annual review comes the company/and your manager must look at external candidates before they can even consider promoting you.
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by iLLEST209ER:
If I remember correctly, Mike McDaniel was promoted to OC without jumping through all these hoops. Why is it an issue now that Klay is being promoted?
um, you're forgetting one thing about McDaniel.
his *interview* satisfied the rule.
So you're saying you just can't promote white guys in the nfl without interviewing a minority candidate? But you can promote a minority candidate without interviewing a white guy?
Sucks that you need a rule like that but this behavior by Kyle shows exactly why this rule needs to be in place. I'm just wondering who will now come in to complete the "token" interview so that Kyle can hire his buddy?
The difference is Kyle wanted *that* minority. So I'm sure they told the NFL they conducted their interview and decided on him. So yes that is on Kyle for not interviewing a white guy, after interviewing a minority, before making his decision.
The idea behind the rule can be beneficial to both those minority coaches and teams. Even if it is a sham interview, that minority coach (which white women fall under as well, I believe) gets experience being part of real NFL interviews....which can be beneficial for future interviews (or other open positions with that team). There is also chance one might stand out to an owner, who initially had someone else in mind for that position.
So the whole idea is to just get more minority coaches opportunities and experience... which is better than few and far between opportunities. 🤷🏾♂
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Jcool:
It 6 consecutive losses. The fist one was in the AFC title game in 2016 and lost in the divisional round the next year (Pitts first game). I believe in those losses Pitt had been down by 21 points in each game.
I like Tomlin he's a damn good coach and has taken a decent team as far as it can go most yrs. But you know according to people in here it all starts and ends with the HC. SO he should have been fired a while ago.
I would look to trade him if i was Pitt. They need to bottom out and that isn't happening under Tomlin.
Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Is there anyone who would actually take Tomlin over Kyle? Dude is 8-11 in the playoffs with six consecutive first round exits and hasn't won a playoff game since before Kyle even started here.
Hell no but some guy just the other day was telling me what an amazing coach he was. Who was that? NY? ExcusesAT? Smokey? They were basking in mediocrity as they do hare so that's why I'm thinking it was NY. I honestly can't remember though.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
would be a nice pick up..even if it not as OC.. Brock ties
Trey Lance ties. He was coaching at NDSU while Purdy was at Iowa State. He was Christian Watson's position coach.
But he's exactly the kind of young coach I'd love to see added to the staff.
Originally posted by RonnieLott:Fully healthy us vs fully healthy them, yes. It would be a close, hard fought game for sure.
Looking at the Rams v Vikings, I mean, could we even beat the Rams now.
The Rams Defence looks BAD.
And by BAD I mean Good.
Originally posted by zeppfan1:
Originally posted by RonnieLott:Fully healthy us vs fully healthy them, yes. It would be a close, hard fought game for sure.
Looking at the Rams v Vikings, I mean, could we even beat the Rams now.
The Rams Defence looks BAD.
And by BAD I mean Good.
Originally posted by RonnieLott:Originally posted by zeppfan1:Fully healthy us vs fully healthy them, yes. It would be a close, hard fought game for sure.Originally posted by RonnieLott:Looking at the Rams v Vikings, I mean, could we even beat the Rams now.
The Rams Defence looks BAD.
And by BAD I mean Good.
Stafford is looking very good this season quasi how he looked in his Superbowl winning year.
I wonder if we will ever get back to full fitness and no injuries.
With Sean McVay's Rams' win, I thought this was an interesting list to look at—ranking active coaches by playoff wins ...
— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) January 14, 2025
1) Andy Reid 26
2) John Harbaugh 13
3) Sean Payton 9
t-4) Sean McVay 8
t-4) Kyle Shanahan 8
t-4) Mike Tomlin 8
*Ex-Cowboys coach Mike McCarthy has 11.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:Yes I ran into this a lot the past few years as I would get lumped into the fire Kyle crowd, but kept clarifying while I may criticize him etc i dont want him fired. I think it worked as most regular posters here understand my thinking now lol
that's the prob in here, it's all black and white. so if you like shanny and you point out the mistakes he's making you are in no mans land.
Originally posted by Hysterikal:I think he tried to morph into the drop back quickly and early this season, but the personnel wasn't a match (o line). It was refreshing to hear him say we must always evolve in his closing presser, basically admitting some of the things we observed. He can be a stubborn mofo, but I dont think its to the point of stupidity. He realizes what's going on with his offense league wide.
He needs to have a better drop back passing game, his red zone offense needs to improve and he needs to not be as involved in the draft process. Still a coach who brings a winning culture and made San Francisco a destination team for players. And in no way deserves to be fired or even hinted to be fired cause he had a bad season. I believe he will improve his passing game and red zone offense this off season.
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
I love how everyone blames the NFL before blaming the idiot for not knowing the rules or taking them serious.
It was simple... Kyle should have just shut his mouth, said he will interview candidates for the OC position. Then choose Klay. THAT f**kING SIMPLE!
Now with Kyle, again being horrible at knowning rules or paying attention to details..being unprepared, puts Klay and the team in a weird position (like he did to poor Jordan Mason with the press) that if he does do interviews... and picks Klay, the running theme would be that Kyle never took those other interviews serious.
The solution to this is still simple... request interviews to coaches you know will accept this circus situation, then announce Klay as the OC. Do NOT request interviews with coaches who have any pride, who looking for OC positions. To where you're the laughing stock because everyone knows what is going on, and those types of coaches will decline the interview..and the media will make a story out of it (since you soft fans care what the media thinks or how our players treat them).
Interview some young assistants that are looking to get a position to gain experience as a pass game coordinator (Klay's previous position). The interview would be beneficial for them.. they don't get OC title.. but can also apply for the other position and get hired there (be it after another interview, if needed).
I agree in that Kyle totally messed this up. I also think it wouldn't have hurt to have 1 or 2 legit candidates for interviews. What could it have hurt? Get some other eyeballs on the offense, other ideas, etc. Even legitimately entertaining the idea of surrendering playcalling duty. Offering other positions up would've been wise as well. Just a total muff by Kyle. I support him as being head coach but this kind of stuff is why some think he's too myopic to be head coach.
No, because that makes too much damn sense.
Kyle needs 100% control over who ever gets that position, he needs a yes man. We saw how he treats a coach who is not a yes man (Steve Wilks).
Kyle said it himself, Klay is going to be doing the same thing he has been doing these past few years. The only difference is that Klay will have the OC title now.
For other folks, anyone who didn't watch the press conference, watch it. Or watch it again. Pay attention to Kyle's words. Nothing is going to change on offense....nothing is going to look different, unless Kyle wants it to. It's not going to be because of Klay Kubiak.
So a guy who's worked for him for 2+ years and is due a promotion in Kyle's mind, is bad? Sounds pretty normal to me, and a smart man with common sense wouldn't relate about such a dumb rule in this case.
The rule in this situation is f**king dumb. Do you both work? That's like saying when your annual review comes the company/and your manager must look at external candidates before they can even consider promoting you.
The reason why the rule is in place is dumb. If people want the rule to change, well, that's a conversation for another thread.
As for the team, again, what could it hurt? If Klay ends up being the best man, then so be it. However sometimes you need outside eyes looking at your product. I know that from working :). I know from working sometimes I can be blind to certain things and it's harder for insiders to see it. Furthermore, our offensive staff is ALWAYS getting raided. Doing a round of interviews allows us to meet coaches we may like for future positions. If we have any kind of positive turn around, Klay Kubiak is as good as gone. Then what? We have had a brain drain that has not been truly replaced.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Brah
Tomlin's been the HC for how long and he has the same amount of playoff wins as Kyle and McVay? That's with prime Big Ben?
With Sean McVay's Rams' win, I thought this was an interesting list to look at—ranking active coaches by playoff wins ...
— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) January 14, 2025
1) Andy Reid 26
2) John Harbaugh 13
3) Sean Payton 9
t-4) Sean McVay 8
t-4) Kyle Shanahan 8
t-4) Mike Tomlin 8
*Ex-Cowboys coach Mike McCarthy has 11.
Originally posted by Koldo:#chokeartist
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Brah
Tomlin's been the HC for how long and he has the same amount of playoff wins as Kyle and McVay? That's with prime Big Ben?
With Sean McVay's Rams' win, I thought this was an interesting list to look at—ranking active coaches by playoff wins ...
— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) January 14, 2025
1) Andy Reid 26
2) John Harbaugh 13
3) Sean Payton 9
t-4) Sean McVay 8
t-4) Kyle Shanahan 8
t-4) Mike Tomlin 8
*Ex-Cowboys coach Mike McCarthy has 11.
A little trivia question:
Who is the only HC on that list who has never won a Super Bowl?
Originally posted by Koldo:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Brah
Tomlin's been the HC for how long and he has the same amount of playoff wins as Kyle and McVay? That's with prime Big Ben?
With Sean McVay's Rams' win, I thought this was an interesting list to look at—ranking active coaches by playoff wins ...
— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) January 14, 2025
1) Andy Reid 26
2) John Harbaugh 13
3) Sean Payton 9
t-4) Sean McVay 8
t-4) Kyle Shanahan 8
t-4) Mike Tomlin 8
*Ex-Cowboys coach Mike McCarthy has 11.
A little trivia question:
Who is the only HC on that list who has never won a Super Bowl?
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Brah
Tomlin's been the HC for how long and he has the same amount of playoff wins as Kyle and McVay? That's with prime Big Ben?
With Sean McVay's Rams' win, I thought this was an interesting list to look at—ranking active coaches by playoff wins ...
— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) January 14, 2025
1) Andy Reid 26
2) John Harbaugh 13
3) Sean Payton 9
t-4) Sean McVay 8
t-4) Kyle Shanahan 8
t-4) Mike Tomlin 8
*Ex-Cowboys coach Mike McCarthy has 11.
