49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
He can be outrageous, but has a point and I will admit that I agree in that statistically speaking, Kyle missed his shot here. Of course I want to be wrong, but what are the odds they reload the roster properly, coach them properly, stay healthy, get it all tied together with some luck, and win a super bowl... after coming up short on that two times already. Exactly. very very slim. Most don't even get two chances. Again, if we win it all next year ill be like a pig in mud, but the rational part of my brain knows how hard it is to win it all.

But that would also apply to a new coach. Far more likely we won't even be where we are now with a new guy then being better than Kyle.

Oh I know. (reminder I've never asked for Kyle to be fired!) but the odds aren't in our favor regardless.

i think you missed the point by 94E..

The odd are worse with a new coach

No I get it, but that means were f'ed regardless right? Its a black hole lol damned if you do, damned if you dont deal.

I don't see how, with Kyle, is part of a damned situation.

You don't get rid of good assets because the hardest goal to accomplish wasn't achieved.

Meaning the odds of him winning it all here are slim. So the natural thing is to move on when you feel an viable alternative presents itself. So I wlll be pessimistic. (and happy to be wrong!)

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
He can be outrageous, but has a point and I will admit that I agree in that statistically speaking, Kyle missed his shot here. Of course I want to be wrong, but what are the odds they reload the roster properly, coach them properly, stay healthy, get it all tied together with some luck, and win a super bowl... after coming up short on that two times already. Exactly. very very slim. Most don't even get two chances. Again, if we win it all next year ill be like a pig in mud, but the rational part of my brain knows how hard it is to win it all.

But that would also apply to a new coach. Far more likely we won't even be where we are now with a new guy then being better than Kyle.

Oh I know. (reminder I've never asked for Kyle to be fired!) but the odds aren't in our favor regardless.

i think you missed the point by 94E..

The odd are worse with a new coach

No I get it, but that means were f'ed regardless right? Its a black hole lol damned if you do, damned if you dont deal.

I don't see how, with Kyle, is part of a damned situation.

You don't get rid of good assets because the hardest goal to accomplish wasn't achieved.

Meaning the odds of him winning it all here are slim. So the natural thing is to move on when you feel an viable alternative presents itself. So I wlll be pessimistic. (and happy to be wrong!)

Basically, it's an excuse to keep Kyle Shanahan around. Acknowledge that the odds of winning a Super Bowl with him are slim to none, but justify keeping him by claiming that another coach would have worse odds at accomplishing the same…which is slim to none.

its a bogus claim made by Kyle enthusiasts. If you follow their train of thought, we'll never get out of this rut….

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
He can be outrageous, but has a point and I will admit that I agree in that statistically speaking, Kyle missed his shot here. Of course I want to be wrong, but what are the odds they reload the roster properly, coach them properly, stay healthy, get it all tied together with some luck, and win a super bowl... after coming up short on that two times already. Exactly. very very slim. Most don't even get two chances. Again, if we win it all next year ill be like a pig in mud, but the rational part of my brain knows how hard it is to win it all.

But that would also apply to a new coach. Far more likely we won't even be where we are now with a new guy then being better than Kyle.

Oh I know. (reminder I've never asked for Kyle to be fired!) but the odds aren't in our favor regardless.

i think you missed the point by 94E..

The odd are worse with a new coach

No I get it, but that means were f'ed regardless right? Its a black hole lol damned if you do, damned if you dont deal.

I don't see how, with Kyle, is part of a damned situation.

You don't get rid of good assets because the hardest goal to accomplish wasn't achieved.

Meaning the odds of him winning it all here are slim. So the natural thing is to move on when you feel an viable alternative presents itself. So I wlll be pessimistic. (and happy to be wrong!)

Basically, it's an excuse to keep Kyle Shanahan around. Acknowledge that the odds of winning a Super Bowl with him are slim to none, but justify keeping him by claiming that another coach would have worse odds at accomplishing the same…which is slim to none.

its a bogus claim made by Kyle enthusiasts. If you follow their train of thought, we'll never get out of this rut….

I understand both of you tbh and imo there is no obvious coach I would turn to. Kyle has not sucked. He has folded at the end which sucks in its own way, but I get it. It will take at least another bad year before his seat gets hot. If he makes Sorensen ST Coordinator that may happen because that move to me makes no sense.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Meaning the odds of him winning it all here are slim. So the natural thing is to move on when you feel an viable alternative presents itself. So I wlll be pessimistic. (and happy to be wrong!)

you are probably right. shanny it would be a thrill to see him hoist the trophy after he was ballboy for our last trophy run. it just may not be in the cards. ppl always give this andy reid comp. well, how that played out, is reid was given a long run, it didn't work in philly and now philly is dominant and they won their ring all the same. i'm not hanging with eagles fans, but i doubt any say oh we should never have fired reid. it worked out great.

shanny we can honor his deal for a few more years and go from there. we bought the steak so we may as well eat it.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Meaning the odds of him winning it all here are slim. So the natural thing is to move on when you feel an viable alternative presents itself. So I wlll be pessimistic. (and happy to be wrong!)

you are probably right. shanny it would be a thrill to see him hoist the trophy after he was ballboy for our last trophy run. it just may not be in the cards. ppl always give this andy reid comp. well, how that played out, is reid was given a long run, it didn't work in philly and now philly is dominant and they won their ring all the same. i'm not hanging with eagles fans, but i doubt any say oh we should never have fired reid. it worked out great.

shanny we can honor his deal for a few more years and go from there. we bought the steak so we may as well eat it.

Agreed. In the end he needs to find that QB. Purdy is imo good enough with the right roster, but they probably missed their chance now as the staff and roster are headed in the wrong direction. So many variables here. Also this ST and DC search isn't looking good. Is he running and NFL club or a HS team?

Kyle on Sorensen: "bros before hoes (or the team in this case)"

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Agreed. In the end he needs to find that QB. Purdy is imo good enough with the right roster, but they probably missed their chance now as the staff and roster are headed in the wrong direction. So many variables here. Also this ST and DC search isn't looking good. Is he running and NFL club or a HS team?

The problem is at this point as you stated you have three options:

1. You either rebuild and try to get new younger players needed around purdy to get success like last year. This is going to take at least 2 more good drafts to get there. That's if the coaching staffs entire mindset changes and they acknowledge that it's rebuild time. I don't even think they are there yet.

2. You flounder around thinking that with CMC a year older Trent a year older and your players coming back from injuries is going to get you back to the SB and you don't give any young players a chance. Imo this has zero chance if success and just delays a rebuild.

3. You change coaches and then this changes the way your offense and defense runs which potentially fits your players better and you can get back to a SB sooner.

Those are the only options I see. Which realistically means we are somewhere 2-5 years from going back to the SB. That means your giving shanahan at least 2-5 more years 10-13 years without a SB...

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Agreed. In the end he needs to find that QB. Purdy is imo good enough with the right roster, but they probably missed their chance now as the staff and roster are headed in the wrong direction. So many variables here. Also this ST and DC search isn't looking good. Is he running and NFL club or a HS team?

The problem is at this point as you stated you have three options:

1. You either rebuild and try to get new younger players needed around purdy to get success like last year. This is going to take at least 2 more good drafts to get there. That's if the coaching staffs entire mindset changes and they acknowledge that it's rebuild time. I don't even think they are there yet.

2. You flounder around thinking that with CMC a year older Trent a year older and your players coming back from injuries is going to get you back to the SB and you don't give any young players a chance. Imo this has zero chance if success and just delays a rebuild.

3. You change coaches and then this changes the way your offense and defense runs which potentially fits your players better and you can get back to a SB sooner.

Those are the only options I see. Which realistically means we are somewhere 2-5 years from going back to the SB. That means your giving shanahan at least 2-5 more years 10-13 years without a SB...

I think with a good draft they could win the division next season. If we keep making the playoffs he will be around for sure unless something unforeseen occurs.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I think with a good draft they could win the division next season. If we keep making the playoffs he will be around for sure unless something unforeseen occurs.

How would this help? This coaching staff doesn't ever bench veterans. Hell puni would have sat on the bench if he wasn't forced to play.

That's why I said their entire mindset would need to shift to a young team first mentality.

This won't happen next year. It's going to take two years of suck in a row and shanahan somehow keeping his job for this to happen.

Add two years from when we decide we need to prioritize getting younger.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Which realistically means we are somewhere 2-5 years from going back to the SB.

I love these completely arbitrary numbers people come up with.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Which realistically means we are somewhere 2-5 years from going back to the SB.

I love these completely arbitrary numbers people come up with.

Its not arbitrary. The average NFL career length is 3.3 years which means a rebuild to turn the roster takes about the same time.

I'm counting last draft as a good one so -1 year if they acknowledge they are rebuilding.

If you don't acknowledge your rebuilding and give your young players a chance to grow then the clock doesn't start.

So if next year they again go with veterans add 3-4 years (3.3 avg) to the start of the rebuild.

Unless your in the group with shanahan that somehow thinks Trent and CMC are going to carry us to a SB win when they couldn't do it two years before...

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Its not arbitrary. The average NFL career length is 3.3 years which means a rebuild to turn the roster takes about the same time.

I'm counting last draft as a good one so -1 year if they acknowledge they are rebuilding.

If you don't acknowledge your rebuilding and give your young players a chance to grow then the clock doesn't start.

So if next year they again go with veterans add 3-4 years (3.3 avg) to the start of the rebuild.

Unless your in the group with shanahan that somehow thinks Trent and CMC are going to carry us to a SB win when they couldn't do it two years before...

Rebuilds aren't really a thing outside of the dumpster fire franchises that can never find a window of success.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Meaning the odds of him winning it all here are slim. So the natural thing is to move on when you feel an viable alternative presents itself. So I wlll be pessimistic. (and happy to be wrong!)

you are probably right. shanny it would be a thrill to see him hoist the trophy after he was ballboy for our last trophy run. it just may not be in the cards. ppl always give this andy reid comp. well, how that played out, is reid was given a long run, it didn't work in philly and now philly is dominant and they won their ring all the same. i'm not hanging with eagles fans, but i doubt any say oh we should never have fired reid. it worked out great.

shanny we can honor his deal for a few more years and go from there. we bought the steak so we may as well eat it.

because a small % of changing coaches actually worked you think it will work every time ?

it's took Philly 5 years and two coaches after Reid to win and nothing after that

you guys will last 5 years ?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
because a small % of changing coaches actually worked you think it will work every time ?

it's took Philly 5 years and two coaches after Reid to win and nothing after that

you guys will last 5 years..

i'm not advocating coaching change, nor do i think in absolutes, like it 'will work everytime'.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
because a small % of changing coaches actually worked you think it will work every time ?

it's took Philly 5 years and two coaches after Reid to win and nothing after that

you guys will last 5 years..

With one of the best GMs in football.

That s**t isn't happening here, lol.