49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Exactly. I'm so tired of hearing how SF is supposed to be above other teams because of what happened 30+ yrs ago.

Unless you have that generational/HOF level QB, having a dynasty level run is impossible. Especially in today's game.

that's why you need to keep looking if you don't have one

but shanny won't look he'll take the least talented guy in the draft and make him highest paid so it's on shanny at the end of the day if these are the moves he's making

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
that's why you need to keep looking if you don't have one

Opposite of everything you were saying 3 years ago.

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
The choke argument, at least when I have used it, refers to blown Super Bowls and blown leads in 4th q. Assigning the choke label to coaches simply because they don't win playoff games regardless of all the factors that impact success is retaliatory against anyone who has criticized Kyle. I would argue that we have more of a coaching problem than the lions. Set aside Kyle. We are heading for our 3rd DC in as many years. We have no OC, no STC.

Head to head, Kyle is a much better coach than Dan Campbell. There is no question about it but I would argue Dan C is getting better in the role while Kyle has stalled. Kyle will have plenty of opportunities to shed the choker label. Lets hope that happens sooner rather than later.

When you constantly have one of the best teams in the league every yr only to lose in the playoffs….how is that not choking? That game last night was full of Baltimore TOs and dropped balls. How is that not choking? Same s**t for the Lions. Cool you did great in season and then choked when it mattered…they couldn't even get to the big game.

IMO it's worse when you can't even get to a SB with a QB who's consistently in the convo as the league MVP. Only to go belly up in the most important games that THEY get to play in EVERY yr.

the lions are losing both guys that called plays. Dan isn't a OC or DC. You can't just assume they will carry on the same UNLESS you're telling me Brad Johnson didn't matter for them?

I mean McVay choked away the game all the same. Multiple TOs. His OL gave up like 5-6 sacks over 10 TFL. He stopped running the ball and his defense gave up over 200 yards to Barkley. Choked.

It's just constant hypocrisy with Kyle vs other HCs in this league. Legit the only dude you could not call a "choker" is Reid and he was the poster child for choking for over 25 yrs (and choked away a couple SBs as well). It's all dumb and according to fans everyone should be fired everywhere

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
but shanny won't look he'll take the least talented guy in the draft and make him highest paid so it's on shanny at the end of the day if these are the moves he's making

I mean they moved up for a super young kid who was talented that just hadn't played much football and got hurt. If we stunk he probably would have had a shot to play and improve…he could still be bad, but we will never know.

He wanted Rogers, Brady at one point and Stafford. It's not like he's allergic to elite QBs lol.

Shanny has been able to get the most out of his QBs. Thats dated back to Schaub. It's a blessing and a curse. We aren't gonna suck bad enough to get that elite guy most yrs. Signing Brock will prolong that as well imo. He's good, but he's never gonna be that elite guy that you win a ton of super bowls with imo…at this pt, give him a good contract build up the team with great draft picks, try to make a run and have an eye open elsewhere at QB (just in case). I think we can do both.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Exactly. I'm so tired of hearing how SF is supposed to be above other teams because of what happened 30+ yrs ago.

Unless you have that generational/HOF level QB, having a dynasty level run is impossible. Especially in today's game.

that's why you need to keep looking if you don't have one

Thats not realistic. Not only do they not come around often enough, but usually you aren't in a position to be able to draft them. There's only 3 guys I'd give that title to and they are all in the AFC (Jayden Daniels is left out because it's only been one year).

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
but shanny won't look he'll take the least talented guy in the draft and make him highest paid so it's on shanny at the end of the day if these are the moves he's making

I mean they moved up for a super young kid who was talented that just hadn't played much football and got hurt. If we stunk he probably would have had a shot to play and improve…he could still be bad, but we will never know.

He wanted Rogers, Brady at one point and Stafford. It's not like he's allergic to elite QBs lol.

Shanny has been able to get the most out of his QBs. Thats dated back to Schaub. It's a blessing and a curse. We aren't gonna suck bad enough to get that elite guy most yrs. Signing Brock will prolong that as well imo. He's good, but he's never gonna be that elite guy that you win a ton of super bowls with imo…at this pt, give him a good contract build up the team with great draft picks, try to make a run and have an eye open elsewhere at QB (just in case). I think we can do both.

yeah they did it one time in 8 years, big whoop. they need to keep trying and find one before it's too late. but this offseason i doubt they do anything at QB other than pay brock a ton. so kyle is making his bed and putting himself in a tough spot. other clubs will have these dynamic dual threat QBs and we'll have to get past them.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
yeah they did it one time in 8 years, big whoop. they need to keep trying and find one before it's too late. but this offseason i doubt they do anything at QB other than pay brock a ton. so kyle is making his bed and putting himself in a tough spot. other clubs will have these dynamic dual threat QBs and we'll have to get past them.

They went after Stafford one yr, went after Brady in 2023 and Rogers before the draft for Lance. They were also tied to Watson before the handy stuff came about.

Not every draft has that guy either. Let's stop acting like there is.

What would you expect them to do besides pay Brock this off season? You know how I feel about it BUT acting like there's anything more likely than that is being silly. Pay him build up the roster AND be mindful of who else is out there at QB. They aren't gonna bottom out and have a top 2 pick at QB. That doesn't mean they can't invest in a high trait green guy down the road and develop.

Also guess what, teams had those dynamic duel threat QBs in 2023 and they made it to OT of the SB. They didn't lose that game just because of QB play.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Thats not realistic. Not only do they not come around often enough, but usually you aren't in a position to be able to draft them. There's only 3 guys I'd give that title to and they are all in the AFC (Jayden Daniels is left out because it's only been one year).

As long as the roster is top tier they can win a SB with Brock imo.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
yeah they did it one time in 8 years, big whoop. they need to keep trying and find one before it's too late. but this offseason i doubt they do anything at QB other than pay brock a ton. so kyle is making his bed and putting himself in a tough spot. other clubs will have these dynamic dual threat QBs and we'll have to get past them.

Yep. The silver lining in all this is Shanahan is basically setting himself for failure, and that means an early exit for him as HC (hopefully this time next year). ONE DC choice, ONE ST choice, ONE QB (all in), GOTTA HAVE DEEBO, GOTTA HAVE JUICE. My way or the highway mentality.

if it works (doubtful), great.
if it doesn't work, see ya !

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Thats not realistic. Not only do they not come around often enough, but usually you aren't in a position to be able to draft them. There's only 3 guys I'd give that title to and they are all in the AFC (Jayden Daniels is left out because it's only been one year).

You could spend a decade or more waiting for some unicorn or just build the best team you possibly can and try to win as many games as you can in the meantime.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
but shanny won't look he'll take the least talented guy in the draft and make him highest paid so it's on shanny at the end of the day if these are the moves he's making

I mean they moved up for a super young kid who was talented that just hadn't played much football and got hurt. If we stunk he probably would have had a shot to play and improve…he could still be bad, but we will never know.

He wanted Rogers, Brady at one point and Stafford. It's not like he's allergic to elite QBs lol.

Shanny has been able to get the most out of his QBs. Thats dated back to Schaub. It's a blessing and a curse. We aren't gonna suck bad enough to get that elite guy most yrs. Signing Brock will prolong that as well imo. He's good, but he's never gonna be that elite guy that you win a ton of super bowls with imo…at this pt, give him a good contract build up the team with great draft picks, try to make a run and have an eye open elsewhere at QB (just in case). I think we can do both.

I'm honestly not seeing the whole shanahan has gotten the most out of his QBs. The only evidence we have is that Jimmy was pretty mediocre with the raiders after he left. Could mean any good habits he had learned from the Patriots were undone by us.

In my opinion I've only seen regression from really good QB play in years 1-2 to a big step back in year 3. To me this screams he got a good QB and then ruined him.

The evidence is Jimmy was killing it year one and purdy was as well. Now in year 3 they should have taken a huge step forward but instead regressed. Nevermind lance who couldn't even get onto the field.

The rawest most talented prospect didn't improve at all with full molding done by shanahan. The ones that were good before they came here have only regressed each year since being here.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
I'm honestly not seeing the whole shanahan has gotten the most out of his QBs. The only evidence we have is that Jimmy was pretty mediocre with the raiders after he left. Could mean any good habits he had learned from the Patriots were undone by us.

In my opinion I've only seen regression from really good QB play in years 1-2 to a big step back in year 3. To me this screams he got a good QB and then ruined him.

The evidence is Jimmy was killing it year one and purdy was as well. Now in year 3 they should have taken a huge step forward but instead regressed. Nevermind lance who couldn't even get onto the field.

The rawest most talented prospect didn't improve at all with full molding done by shanahan. The ones that were good before they came here have only regressed each year since being here.

I have long wondered it is because in year 1 his Qbs are playing loose and raw and then in years 2 to 3 he dumps a massive playbook on them and just takes away some of their natural instincts.

I could be wildly wrong on this but it is a theory I am working on.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Imagine us having the 1 seed and be one and done in the playoffs…I'm sure it would be pleasant in here lol

You lose by double digits as a favorite at home in the playoffs you should get roasted

Welcome to January 1988.

Originally posted by Crown:
I have long wondered it is because in year 1 his Qbs are playing loose and raw and then in years 2 to 3 he dumps a massive playbook on them and just takes away some of their natural instincts.

I could be wildly wrong on this but it is a theory I am working on.

Problem with this theory is that both Ryan and Purdy were even better in their second season with the full playbook than they were their first season with Shanahan.