Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Thats not realistic. Not only do they not come around often enough, but usually you aren't in a position to be able to draft them. There's only 3 guys I'd give that title to and they are all in the AFC (Jayden Daniels is left out because it's only been one year).
As long as the roster is top tier they can win a SB with Brock imo.
I totally agree. Brock is tier 2 to me and that absolutely is good enough to win. I pointed out how Brock, in spite of everything, was still 7th in QBR this year. Worst season of his career, missing most of his top players, and he still finished 7th.
Originally posted by captveg:
Originally posted by Crown:
I have long wondered it is because in year 1 his Qbs are playing loose and raw and then in years 2 to 3 he dumps a massive playbook on them and just takes away some of their natural instincts.
I could be wildly wrong on this but it is a theory I am working on.
Problem with this theory is that both Ryan and Purdy were even better in their second season with the full playbook than they were their first season with Shanahan.
I'll throw Matt Schaub in there as well. He was even better in year 2 than year 1 with Kyle.
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by Crown:
Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
I'm honestly not seeing the whole shanahan has gotten the most out of his QBs. The only evidence we have is that Jimmy was pretty mediocre with the raiders after he left. Could mean any good habits he had learned from the Patriots were undone by us.
In my opinion I've only seen regression from really good QB play in years 1-2 to a big step back in year 3. To me this screams he got a good QB and then ruined him.
The evidence is Jimmy was killing it year one and purdy was as well. Now in year 3 they should have taken a huge step forward but instead regressed. Nevermind lance who couldn't even get onto the field.
The rawest most talented prospect didn't improve at all with full molding done by shanahan. The ones that were good before they came here have only regressed each year since being here.
I have long wondered it is because in year 1 his Qbs are playing loose and raw and then in years 2 to 3 he dumps a massive playbook on them and just takes away some of their natural instincts.
I could be wildly wrong on this but it is a theory I am working on.
It's not unique to Kyle or the Niners. Young QBs often come off the bench or have a good rookie season because other teams simply don't have the detailed book on them yet. Once DCs learn their strengths, weaknesses and tendencies they can defend them better.
Other than the reach for Lance, the Niners haven't had a high draft pick at QB for years. Alex Smith was their last 1st rounder other than Lance. The other QBs have been mostly mid or late round picks that were projects. Alex Smith hassome talent but unfortunatley the Niners wer epoorly coached for the first few years of his career. Lance was just over valued in a very weak QB class.
Totally agree. This is why the guys who aren't working on their craft have their high point in their rookie year and just never get better.
Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Originally posted by English:
I do not understand why so many people who post here and are therefore probably 49ers supporters are so desperate to see Shanahan sacked.
After the departures of Walsh and Seifert, this place was a shambles for ages, with the brief and only partial exception of Mariucci. Regarding other HC's, how long did it take Andy Reid to win a Super Bowl? How many did Bill Cowher win? Don Shula is one of the winningest HC's in NFL history. How many Super Bowls did he win? And of course, the biggest question of all. Who would we replace Shanahan with?
It's only when you lose something that you realise what you had.
Because he has the same problem as harbaugh had. He's making the same mistakes 8 years in and failing to adapt.
I get the argument that he is one of the better head coaches in the league right now but if you fail to adapt it doesn't matter.
Id take a worse coach who can figure out how to adapt and get better than continue with q coach that's above average but not getting better.
Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.
Shanahan is making the same personnel mistakes, game management mistakes, play calling mistakes he made in year 2 as year 5 as year 8.
He will make the same mistakes in year 15. It's been good enough to get close but not good enough to win a SB.
The rosters in its worst spot in years so I expect results to be pretty mediocre for the next 2 years. Barring some generational overwhelming talent this teams going to continue to make the same personnel, game management, and play calling mistakes just how it has.
Ie no Superbowl... If shanahan was actually getting better it would be one thing but he's not.
Taking a worse coach in HOPES they will get better, because that is exactly what you are doing, is how teams crumble. The risk you want to take, more often than not, doesn't work. If you have a winning coach, chances are you get worse by firing them. This is what the history of the NFL has shown. What you are asking for is insanity.
You could also argue that John and Jim Harbaugh should be fired based off of your reasoning. They are literally making the same mistakes. You could argue that Mike Tomlin should be fired. He is making the same mistakes. Who are you replacing the Harbaugh brothers, Kyle Shanahan, and Mike Tomlin with?
it's getting old