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Originally posted by RonnieLott:
We should have been drafting O Line for the past 3-4 drafts which could have won us the Superbowl we lost in OT, that's point one.

Then there is last year's draft which even more was an O Line bonanza where we could have got another O Line piece for 10 years, that is point two.

Two points related but different.

And I argue their neglect of the secondary and back 7 depth was easily as responsible.

If we got a piece of this secondary in Green for 10 years that's still a good choice.
Yes I totally agree with you in relation to the secondary.

We have basically neglected O Line and the Secondary.

It has been shameful.

This year has been so frustrating simply because we have piled incompetence on top of bad luck. What evidence? All three of our marquee offensive players who held out in the off-season are either on IR, heading to IR or should be on IR.

Anyway. The (should be too early) off-season shopping list:

Coaching:

- Special Teams Coordinator replaced. We should pitch a new reality show to Netflix called The Competent. It would centre on giving a group of every day, hard working people off the street a chance to win the 49ers Special Teams Coordinator job.

- New DC. Any body who 1) can read the momentum of the game 2) is either a great man manager or a brilliant tactician, can be both, but must excel at least one of these. 3) take calculated risks 4) can get a unit playing greater than the sum of its parts and not rely on pro bowlers at their disposal.

- Head Coach/OC. Find a mentor. Someone that doesn't cop Shanahan's rage for telling him his latest idea is bat s**t crazy or that he should look up from his clipboard every now and again.

Personnel (draft/FA/re-sign/trade...I really don't care how):

- Defense:
- A rangy free safety (Brown makes too many mistakes and gets outmuscled too much)?
- Spend some money on the secondary or draft accordingly.
- Re-sign Greenlaw (even if on one leg, his energy is infectious)?
- Find a big space eater on the d-line interior, preferably 2?
- Cut Campbell, Don't extend Ward, Cut Hargrave (depending on his appetite/injury recovery)?
- A DE that is a legit threat opposite Bosa.?
?
- Offense:
- A CENTRE who is capable of lifting more than 2 shopping bags at a time into the boot of your car.?
- RT and then for good measure another RT. McKivitz is an OK backup. But we need to tackles this off season because as soon as we fix RT, LT will become a problem.?
- Let Banks walk if he wants big guard money. Someone will be disappointed. Batch was actually pretty good today.?
- There is no cap value in cutting Deebo, if he actually got fit and focused again, I believe he can still be of value to this team, but as the 4th option not the centre piece.?
- Kittle backup (is this really that hard considering I see good/serviceable TEs on just about every roster in the league?)?
- Mix up the WR room and use the rest of the season to really test the 2024 rookies. Surely playing and targeting Cowing and Pearsalll in live action will give you a better insight into future needs for 2025? Nonetheless, a burner and a slot with speed is needed.?
- Remove FB from the playbook and replace it with more 2 RB combos (have we ever seen Mason line up with Deebo or CMC this season in the backfield?)?
- And QB. I'm now out on Purdy. Too many tipped passes, inability to make tough throws requiring any sort of velocity, can't play in bad weather to warrant Tier 1 money. Pop gun arm strength. Red Zone plays are very ordinary. Can he carry the team? Can he play without All Pros in other positions? If someone else signs him then we get a pretty good comp pick....I think there is a reclamation project somewhere out there for the 49ers...if nothing else, Purdy and Jimmy G have shown you don't have to be all world to be successful in this team.?
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In general:?
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- it is obvious we are not just an aging team, but we are a slow team. We have some of the quickest guys going around at LB, TE but no real speed at the burner positions. Must be addressed given we really don't know what we have with Pearsall, Cowing, Aiyuk's injury or Deebo's motivation.?

- you are no longer the smartest man in the room Kyle. Humility and asking for help is not a bad thing.... why is it that every time something goes bad on the field the camera cuts to you with your head in your play calling sheet? Are you limited when you don't have an all-pro roster??
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Anyway, there is more to add...welcome thoughts, would like to see if we can get a consensus view on this board and then see how close to the mark we are over the off-season.?
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Yes, because we have the same built up expectations as Lions fans.

Jesus Christ.

They will be calling for his head if they continue to lose in the playoffs. Especially while they still have that talent.

What expectations? Why are there's any different? Because SF was good in the late 80s early 90s? lol please

Oh God, why is it f**king necessary for me to have to point it out? How is it not that f**king obvious?

We have had heart breaking losses to end our seasons with stacked f**king teams. There were/are players on these teams that played their hearts out at a high level for our team. They deserved a Super Bowl ring(s). I want a Ring for Kittle, for Warner, for CMC, for Patrick Willis, for Justin f**king Smith, etc

2011 season, NFC Champion Game against the Giants. Should have definitely have won.

2012 season, Super Bowl vs Ravens.. tough match up, but we right there to win it.

2013 season, NFC Champion vs Seahawks... again tough match up, but we were right there to win it.

2019 season Super Bowl vs Chiefs... should have f**king won it with our two score lead with 7mins to go.

2021 season NFC Championship vs Chiefs, should have f**king won it with our two score lead with similar time to go.

2022 season NFC Championship vs Eagles, bad f**king luck!

2023 season Super Bowl vs Chiefs... once again had a two score lead, but didn't pull away. Heart breaking ending.

YOU WANT TO COMPARE THAT EXPERIENCE TO f**kING LIONS?

Yes the f**k we do have higher built up expectations than Lions fans.
Definitely some heartbreakers. I will say in Kyle's case, as great as a play designer as he is and playcaller, I'm curious as to what he thinks is the biggest reason plays don't work. Are the DCs that far ahead of him? Sometimes, but not to the point where we are at some disadvantage. Is it players not executing their job? That definitely happened in last year' Super Bowl with Burford. Is it design? I'd say no. There have been so many missed opportunities. The reality is we have gone up against HOF talent at DT in Chris Jones and Aaron Donald as well as a record setting pass rush with the Eagles. We countered that with- well, we see the results. Now the Eagles thing was more of a fluky deal, but when it comes to the playoffs, I feel we are totally outgunned and cannot keep up, over 4 quarters, against the teams that are the best in the trenches. The good news is we can address this on D-line quite easily in this draft. The bad news is addressing this on O-line is going to be a lot harder based on the quantity of available talent.

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
Not going all in on Oline in last year's draft which was a draft that was regarded as one of the better Oline drafts was a mistake.

Before the draft I felt a successful draft (aside from getting hall of famer/all pros which we all want) was getting 2 starting O linemen with one of them being a tackle.

Before the Pearsall pick, Rosengarten (a tackle) and Zach Frazier (center) were on the board.

It's known that the 49ers were targeting Roger Rosengarten in the 2nd round before the Ravens traded up for him. Sometimes that happens. But if you really want a guy or have a need, you make the move.

People will say it's hindsight, but these guys (Rosengarten and Frazier) were well regarded before the draft and expected to be available in between late 1st and 2nd (exactly where we could get them). I know value is important but you need to draft keeping in mind the type of team you want to construct. I don't think Pearsall is as bad as the stats show. He's not getting the ball. But we are a running team first and foremost and he wasn't a burner that would be filling a void.

Imagine a combination of Puni & Rosengarten or Puni & Frazier. Or in an ideal world getting all 3. Half of your Oline is secured for the next 3-4 years. With a stronger line these short yardage situations are less of a problem. We could have used that this season.

Next year we are back to square one having needs on Oline and Dline. Too early to tell who we need to target, but I hope we have some obvious choices like we did this year.
It isn't hindsight- they were talented players, they were there, and we missed them. However, the future is going to show we will have needed Pearsall and Green. Anyone looking to move on from Deebo now or later (by trade or letting his contract expire) should see the value of the Pearsall pick. We'd be dead in the water in our secondary without Green. I wanted Frazier in the first, but here we are. Hopefully we draft some center/guard competition this year.
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by RonnieLott:
Not going all in on Oline in last year's draft which was a draft that was regarded as one of the better Oline drafts was a mistake.

Before the draft I felt a successful draft (aside from getting hall of famer/all pros which we all want) was getting 2 starting O linemen with one of them being a tackle.

Before the Pearsall pick, Rosengarten (a tackle) and Zach Frazier (center) were on the board.

It's known that the 49ers were targeting Roger Rosengarten in the 2nd round before the Ravens traded up for him. Sometimes that happens. But if you really want a guy or have a need, you make the move.

People will say it's hindsight, but these guys (Rosengarten and Frazier) were well regarded before the draft and expected to be available in between late 1st and 2nd (exactly where we could get them). I know value is important but you need to draft keeping in mind the type of team you want to construct. I don't think Pearsall is as bad as the stats show. He's not getting the ball. But we are a running team first and foremost and he wasn't a burner that would be filling a void.

Imagine a combination of Puni & Rosengarten or Puni & Frazier. Or in an ideal world getting all 3. Half of your Oline is secured for the next 3-4 years. With a stronger line these short yardage situations are less of a problem. We could have used that this season.

Next year we are back to square one having needs on Oline and Dline. Too early to tell who we need to target, but I hope we have some obvious choices like we did this year.

None of that wouldve matters with how the d played. A better o line gets us 2 more wins maybe.

As big an issue as the o line has been has been the ignoring of the back 7. It came back to bite them hard.

Also without Green the secondary wouldve been cooked.

Totally agree. Hopefully we can have a good draft in 2025 to get us back to where we all want us to be.
Kyle stubbornness with his so called guys is so infuriating. Guys like Brendel shouldn't be on a team let alone starting.

38th ranked centre in the league. Some effort with only 32 teams.

Like getting a zero on your English test when you get marks for spelling your name right.
Originally posted by RonnieLott:
Yes I totally agree with you in relation to the secondary.

We have basically neglected O Line and the Secondary.

It has been shameful.

This year has been so frustrating simply because we have piled incompetence on top of bad luck. What evidence? All three of our marquee offensive players who held out in the off-season are either on IR, heading to IR or should be on IR.

Anyway. The (should be too early) off-season shopping list:

Coaching:

- Special Teams Coordinator replaced. We should pitch a new reality show to Netflix called The Competent. It would centre on giving a group of every day, hard working people off the street a chance to win the 49ers Special Teams Coordinator job.

- New DC. Any body who 1) can read the momentum of the game 2) is either a great man manager or a brilliant tactician, can be both, but must excel at least one of these. 3) take calculated risks 4) can get a unit playing greater than the sum of its parts and not rely on pro bowlers at their disposal.

- Head Coach/OC. Find a mentor. Someone that doesn't cop Shanahan's rage for telling him his latest idea is bat s**t crazy or that he should look up from his clipboard every now and again.

Personnel (draft/FA/re-sign/trade...I really don't care how):

- Defense:
- A rangy free safety (Brown makes too many mistakes and gets outmuscled too much)?
- Spend some money on the secondary or draft accordingly.
- Re-sign Greenlaw (even if on one leg, his energy is infectious)?
- Find a big space eater on the d-line interior, preferably 2?
- Cut Campbell, Don't extend Ward, Cut Hargrave (depending on his appetite/injury recovery)?
- A DE that is a legit threat opposite Bosa.?
?
- Offense:
- A CENTRE who is capable of lifting more than 2 shopping bags at a time into the boot of your car.?
- RT and then for good measure another RT. McKivitz is an OK backup. But we need to tackles this off season because as soon as we fix RT, LT will become a problem.?
- Let Banks walk if he wants big guard money. Someone will be disappointed. Batch was actually pretty good today.?
- There is no cap value in cutting Deebo, if he actually got fit and focused again, I believe he can still be of value to this team, but as the 4th option not the centre piece.?
- Kittle backup (is this really that hard considering I see good/serviceable TEs on just about every roster in the league?)?
- Mix up the WR room and use the rest of the season to really test the 2024 rookies. Surely playing and targeting Cowing and Pearsalll in live action will give you a better insight into future needs for 2025? Nonetheless, a burner and a slot with speed is needed.?
- Remove FB from the playbook and replace it with more 2 RB combos (have we ever seen Mason line up with Deebo or CMC this season in the backfield?)?
- And QB. I'm now out on Purdy. Too many tipped passes, inability to make tough throws requiring any sort of velocity, can't play in bad weather to warrant Tier 1 money. Pop gun arm strength. Red Zone plays are very ordinary. Can he carry the team? Can he play without All Pros in other positions? If someone else signs him then we get a pretty good comp pick....I think there is a reclamation project somewhere out there for the 49ers...if nothing else, Purdy and Jimmy G have shown you don't have to be all world to be successful in this team.?
?
In general:?
?
- it is obvious we are not just an aging team, but we are a slow team. We have some of the quickest guys going around at LB, TE but no real speed at the burner positions. Must be addressed given we really don't know what we have with Pearsall, Cowing, Aiyuk's injury or Deebo's motivation.?

- you are no longer the smartest man in the room Kyle. Humility and asking for help is not a bad thing.... why is it that every time something goes bad on the field the camera cuts to you with your head in your play calling sheet? Are you limited when you don't have an all-pro roster??
?
Anyway, there is more to add...welcome thoughts, would like to see if we can get a consensus view on this board and then see how close to the mark we are over the off-season.?

What do you think the chnces are that they can address all those concerns. If they can fill half their needs I'll be happy. Even with a higher drafting position they'll be lucky to find 3 starters.
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
What do you think the chnces are that they can address all those concerns. If they can fill half their needs I'll be happy. Even with a higher drafting position they'll be lucky to find 3 starters.

Yes, it's a wish list. If they can solve a third of those issues and try and move in a positive direction for the others, then that's about all we can hope for.

if they just identify these as issues, stay humble and don't live in a bubble which says they are the best at their job, that will be a great first step.

TBF, Brendel makes McKivitz look all pro.

Watching Brendel get beat by safeties and giving up on blocks is just horrible.

What does Shanahan see when he reviews the tape?

Symptoms of a team that's on the decline....
    procedural penalties
    turnovers
    missed tackles
    not finishing on blocks
    drops
    Regularly giving up huge gains off routine plays.
    regularly getting stuffed at the line of scrimmage on Rush plays

125 coaches have had 40+ regular season games decided by 7 points or fewer.

49ers coach Kyle Shanahan's .396-win percentage in those games ranks 118th of those coaches.

Kyle coaching style just loses close games.
Mckivitz is an average starter. That is better than an ok backup.

Biggest issue on the O line is Brendel. They fix that and they will be improved. Get Erik McCoy.
Brendel is the worst Centre in the league. Statistically and to the naked eye. Yet he is one of Shanny's guys so he will be played on every play and never questioned.

The Problem is it's so predictable. If Deebo lines up in the backfield or goes in motion on a jet sweep, 95% he is getting the ball. Defenses just sell out on it.

The lack of innovation in the offence is extremely disappointing. We've become massively predictable on offense and as soon as the D commits to stopping the run we're pretty much stuffed. No Bosa, no D. Special teams across the board are an absolute joke.

The off-season shenanigans, and injuries we can't overcome. I see other teams really fighting through their situation, we're just overcome by it.

We blew any kind of safety net for the season with those horrible late meltdowns against the Rams and Cardinals.
Originally posted by RonnieLott:
Yes I totally agree with you in relation to the secondary.

We have basically neglected O Line and the Secondary.

It has been shameful.

This year has been so frustrating simply because we have piled incompetence on top of bad luck. What evidence? All three of our marquee offensive players who held out in the off-season are either on IR, heading to IR or should be on IR.

Anyway. The (should be too early) off-season shopping list:

Coaching:

- Special Teams Coordinator replaced. We should pitch a new reality show to Netflix called The Competent. It would centre on giving a group of every day, hard working people off the street a chance to win the 49ers Special Teams Coordinator job.

- New DC. Any body who 1) can read the momentum of the game 2) is either a great man manager or a brilliant tactician, can be both, but must excel at least one of these. 3) take calculated risks 4) can get a unit playing greater than the sum of its parts and not rely on pro bowlers at their disposal.

- Head Coach/OC. Find a mentor. Someone that doesn't cop Shanahan's rage for telling him his latest idea is bat s**t crazy or that he should look up from his clipboard every now and again.

Personnel (draft/FA/re-sign/trade...I really don't care how):

- Defense:
- A rangy free safety (Brown makes too many mistakes and gets outmuscled too much)?
- Spend some money on the secondary or draft accordingly.
- Re-sign Greenlaw (even if on one leg, his energy is infectious)?
- Find a big space eater on the d-line interior, preferably 2?
- Cut Campbell, Don't extend Ward, Cut Hargrave (depending on his appetite/injury recovery)?
- A DE that is a legit threat opposite Bosa.?
?
- Offense:
- A CENTRE who is capable of lifting more than 2 shopping bags at a time into the boot of your car.?
- RT and then for good measure another RT. McKivitz is an OK backup. But we need to tackles this off season because as soon as we fix RT, LT will become a problem.?
- Let Banks walk if he wants big guard money. Someone will be disappointed. Batch was actually pretty good today.?
- There is no cap value in cutting Deebo, if he actually got fit and focused again, I believe he can still be of value to this team, but as the 4th option not the centre piece.?
- Kittle backup (is this really that hard considering I see good/serviceable TEs on just about every roster in the league?)?
- Mix up the WR room and use the rest of the season to really test the 2024 rookies. Surely playing and targeting Cowing and Pearsalll in live action will give you a better insight into future needs for 2025? Nonetheless, a burner and a slot with speed is needed.?
- Remove FB from the playbook and replace it with more 2 RB combos (have we ever seen Mason line up with Deebo or CMC this season in the backfield?)?
- And QB. I'm now out on Purdy. Too many tipped passes, inability to make tough throws requiring any sort of velocity, can't play in bad weather to warrant Tier 1 money. Pop gun arm strength. Red Zone plays are very ordinary. Can he carry the team? Can he play without All Pros in other positions? If someone else signs him then we get a pretty good comp pick....I think there is a reclamation project somewhere out there for the 49ers...if nothing else, Purdy and Jimmy G have shown you don't have to be all world to be successful in this team.?
?
In general:?
?
- it is obvious we are not just an aging team, but we are a slow team. We have some of the quickest guys going around at LB, TE but no real speed at the burner positions. Must be addressed given we really don't know what we have with Pearsall, Cowing, Aiyuk's injury or Deebo's motivation.?

- you are no longer the smartest man in the room Kyle. Humility and asking for help is not a bad thing.... why is it that every time something goes bad on the field the camera cuts to you with your head in your play calling sheet? Are you limited when you don't have an all-pro roster??
?
Anyway, there is more to add...welcome thoughts, would like to see if we can get a consensus view on this board and then see how close to the mark we are over the off-season.?

Considering Kyle has never made a real attempt to develop a replacement for Juice, I wonder what the future of that position is in this offense. I felt we never really used Juice to his potential and as such, in spite of his age, he still has a lot left in the tank. Juice is a great blocker and good pass catcher. If we do continue with the position, I'd like a triple threat- a guy that can catch, block, and run the ball.

As for legit threats opposite Bosa, Floyd and YGM are good enough for now. To get any better, you are basically asking for an investment of a 1st or 2nd round pick. Given what we need, that's kind of irresponsible right now. I'd rather us getting one or two run stuffers at DT, where at least one of whom can add a pass rushing presence. Between the better of the two rookies, Evan Anderson, Collins, and Elliot, we should be far better up the middle and can dictate more up front.

With the safety position, at pick 11, I can't think of a better pick than Starks. He can help in the run and the pass and give us the best of what Hufanga and Jimmie Ward brought to our defense, along with that centerfielder ability.

Actually, Kyle is the smartest man in the room and that's our problem lol. His ideas on special teams and over reliance on skill position players have stifled our potential. I'd like for Kyle to see special teams as a potential plus to the team. If he goes with Tabor and lets him do his thing, that will be a great change. As for the going wrong part, better OL with guys that can carry out their assignments consistently, and the same with players, and things will work beautifully. We are only a year removed from one of the most productive offenses we ever had. If we get better at OL, we can get back there again, even if our skill position guys aren't functioning at 2023 levels.
He has got to reach into his head and become more creative this coming season
Shanahan is a clown
It was a good run but it's time to move on from him, he'll be fired after another bad season in 2025
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Mckivitz is an average starter. That is better than an ok backup.

Biggest issue on the O line is Brendel. They fix that and they will be improved. Get Erik McCoy.

Puni definitely made McK look better. He was actually pretty decent during his last 10 games or so.
holy s**t, WTF is going on here.. too many talking s**t out their ass

The trolls mad that their teams can't make it to the NFCCG games nor can do it 3 times in a row.. lol
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
holy s**t, WTF is going on here.. too many talking s**t out their ass

The trolls mad that their teams can't make it to the NFCCG games nor can do it 3 times in a row.. lol

Too many long posts we just need a new page so I don't have to scroll past it
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